Spuffl3s
Tourist
From what I remember reading before they shut the doors, it was just too expensive to keep running it
Why do zoo sites keep being lost?
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From what I remember reading before they shut the doors, it was just too expensive to keep running it
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egoldstein
Guest
Somewhat, yes. There's the ever present concern of problems, but I've been part of the "zoo community" for more than a quarter century and never fail, it's internal strife that causes the biggest problems. A sexual interest isn't enough to base a stable community on, there has to be more to provide long-term cohesiveness and a strong sense of community. This isn't a unique thing for just us, the LGBT communities struggle with this as well.
UR20Z
Dumpster Diver
Dammit, @egoldstein, I've been trying to say that for years - and being ignored or told I've got my head up my ass. There's no such thing as a "zoo community". We're a bunch of folks whose *ONLY* common feature is our sexual interest. Everything else about us, from skin and hair color, to political beliefs, to religion, to whatever-you-wanna-name is up for grabs.
Yet the activist types keep trying to insist that there's something here that actually bears some sort of resemblance to a "community" to lead into the promised land of "universal zoo-acceptance", or at least legality. Lotsa luck with that, sez I...
Yet the activist types keep trying to insist that there's something here that actually bears some sort of resemblance to a "community" to lead into the promised land of "universal zoo-acceptance", or at least legality. Lotsa luck with that, sez I...
Bigpaws_Bear
Esteemed Citizen of ZV
if there WAS a "Demographic" On the Zoo community, I have not seen it, and I been communicating with other Zoo folk since the days before the internet.
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egoldstein
Guest
Yep, I think there are cohesive groups among us, I've seen it at other places. I don't mean a bunch of people sitting around agreeing, but people who have similar goals and lifestyles who often disagree on the details, but in general have a lot on common. I don't think we'll ever see some sort of universal acceptance, we're too diverse to get that even among ourselves.
I once chased the idea of a trying to collect that data in a way that kept everyone anonymous, yet allows keeping the dataset as individuals. I don't have the time or dedication these days to pursue it further, but my expectation has been that it would be a reflection of the surrounding society but at a smaller scale; economically, ethnically, politically, etc. Most of the studies I've read have glossed over what to me always seemed the more important details, not what our fantasies or partner preferences are, but how we compare to the rest of the people in our societies.
Yerl47
Zooville Settler
With BF demise, it was on a self destructive course, I think those who were running it just lost the plot or more likely interest.
I was banned three times for the silliest reasons, they would quote some obscure rule that I may of transgressed.
It was of no interest to them I had spent hundreds of hours creating artworks and writing stories to post BF, to be kicked out for posting in wrong section, really...
Money was given as the reason and that is probably true to a point, I think they just fell out of love...
I was banned three times for the silliest reasons, they would quote some obscure rule that I may of transgressed.
It was of no interest to them I had spent hundreds of hours creating artworks and writing stories to post BF, to be kicked out for posting in wrong section, really...
Money was given as the reason and that is probably true to a point, I think they just fell out of love...
Bigpaws_Bear
Esteemed Citizen of ZV
In my own experience, I have fond that people I have met within the encapsulation of the zoophile community, were usually rather highly educated folk. quite a different outcome than I had initially expected. it really didn't matter what types of employment they had at the time, non were Low on the proverbial "totem pole" of authority within their field.
UR20Z
Dumpster Diver
Likewise here - With only a surprisingly few regrettable exceptions, my experience has been that of the vast majority of folk I've interacted with who belong (by my admittedly biased standards) in the categories of "zoophile", "zoosexual", or even, as I describe myself, "ethical bestialist", very few are even close to being stupid, and even among those few who might be lumped into that unfortunate category by one person or another, the problem usually isn't lack of INTELLIGENCE, but lack of KNOWLEDGE - As in "Stupid is impossible to fix, but ignorance is easily cured with a little education".
I think people may be putting too much emphasis on internal disagreement or community issues, and not enough on the big picture that in key countries, especially the US, laws against bestiality have been growing stricter and ditto enforcement of them. Also, the ability of key countries to restrict access to a whole range of "taboo" but not actually illegal porn via pressure on credit card processors and web hosting services, in their own countries and overseas, has been growing. If you were to look for forums where you can talk about over-18 incest or certain types of extreme bdsm, you'd see exactly the same thing as with zoo -- they've been drying up and shutting down. The internet is considerably more regulated and constrained than it was 10-15 years ago. Just look at Tumblr's rise and fall.
Kinda saw a similar thing with the first explosion of porn in the 1970s. Once the basic barriers went down with the sex revolution plus emergence of tech (VCR) that let porn be viewed easily at home, there was period where on the one hand, some pretty far-out types of porn were present, but on the other, some places were still trying to outlaw Playboy. In the U.S. this settled down by the mid-1980s where it was legally established that porn generally was strictly legal everywhere, but, with strict walls against certain topics. So by then, in the U.S., you could clearly make and sell the most gonzo watersports gangbang bukake film you wanted, but, just hint at a dog licking a woman and you were in a heap of trouble.
Kinda saw a similar thing with the first explosion of porn in the 1970s. Once the basic barriers went down with the sex revolution plus emergence of tech (VCR) that let porn be viewed easily at home, there was period where on the one hand, some pretty far-out types of porn were present, but on the other, some places were still trying to outlaw Playboy. In the U.S. this settled down by the mid-1980s where it was legally established that porn generally was strictly legal everywhere, but, with strict walls against certain topics. So by then, in the U.S., you could clearly make and sell the most gonzo watersports gangbang bukake film you wanted, but, just hint at a dog licking a woman and you were in a heap of trouble.
Bigpaws_Bear
Esteemed Citizen of ZV
Ah the days when the paperback was the best option.. I remember them well.
Korynn
BANNED
This is an interesting narrative but I'm not really seeing it reflected in reality. There are scores of sites out there that cater to every paraphilia imaginable - many of which are global top 5000 sites. Are there specific examples of these kinds of sites being rubbed out by government either by way of legal or financial pressure? Judging by your post there must be a long list of them available somewhere.
Yes, zoos need to do more to deal with the growing number of anti-zoo laws in the U.S. and elsewhere. Just since 2014, about 12 U.S. states have made new anti-zoo laws, and zoos online continue to either behave complacently or pretend they don't exist.
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egoldstein
Guest
Most of the closures I've seen have been due to internal issues (strife, money, etc) and very few for other reasons; none that I can recall of the top of my head have been gov shutdown. Even the reddit sub was eventually destroyed by strife, though much of that was agitation from other drama-centered subs and I suspect some of the new ownership wanting a clean sweep.
In most of the western world discussion is protected, porn not so much. There have been attempts to shutdown porn and "abuse sites" (quotes because sometimes "abuse" is defined as anything undesirable by the invoker). A few sites that were limping along went under when the sub-group claiming to be anonymous got stirred up about animal's nightmare* and when that took a deep dive, they went after BeastForum, ZoophilesForum, and the ones that were limping along. Most just folded, unable to cope with the time and resources necessary to deal with ongoing attack/DDOS issues.
* animal's nightmare was a darknet forum purportedly centered around zoosadism. When it came to light a number of zoos campaigned with non-zoos to attack it and when it vanished the mob was already in a frenzy so efforts were redirected against the remaining sites because to most people, there wasn't any difference. One of those times where good intentions lead to unintended consequences.
You are welcome to pop your head up and demand changes; I will do as I have always done and live my life as privately as I can. IMO, one of the biggest problems we have is that the vocal people the world sees are usually not someone you'd want representing you. Most of them have already been through the legal system, mostly due to problems unrelated to bestiality, but good luck separating that. I do my campaigning person by person. No government representative is going to stand with us, there's nothing to gain and everything to lose. The only way these laws will come down it by challenging them, and for that, you have to be charged with violating them.