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When is he old enough?

Generally, it’s when they starting lifting their leg and/or start showing interest sexually. 6 months is fine if you ask me. Any earlier than that would be a no. The earlier you start, the easier it’ll be for him to understand what you want and to learn. If you wait til 18 months, your chances of him catching on and understanding what you want drop significantly.
 
In the How To Section there are whole essays on the subject. Look there and think carefully.

Voyeurs like
Yes, when he gets hard and shows a desire to mount you know he's ready.

And pedos like
Every boys dream to fuck a older women.. let him have a go!

Will cause you pain and heartbreak for their own entertainment.
 
Six months is barely mid to late puberty which is like saying that a 12-13 year old human is good to go. How about you let them reach adulthood so they can properly develop mentally?
People love comparing dogs to humans as if any comparison holds weight. If you think waiting til they’re fully mature at 18-24+ months is right, by all means, that’s totally cool. But in my opinion that’s far too long to wait to wait if you want your dog to be a loving partner. But that’s the beauty of it...it’s my opinion and my dog, and it doesn’t affect you at all. Isn’t it wonderful?

Also, for shits and giggles since you want to bring humans into this, remind me how many humans wait til they’re fully mentally developed before having sex?
 
People love comparing dogs to humans as if any comparison holds weight. If you think waiting til they’re fully mature at 18-24+ months is right, by all means, that’s totally cool. But in my opinion that’s far too long to wait to wait if you want your dog to be a loving partner. But that’s the beauty of it...it’s my opinion and my dog, and it doesn’t affect you at all. Isn’t it wonderful?

Also, for shits and giggles since you want to bring humans into this, remind me how many humans wait til they’re fully mentally developed before having sex?
And of course, breed has nothing to do with it? A minimum of a year is average. Giant breeds may not be ready for 25-30 months. SOME may never show interest, and if thats the case, then what? An owner thinking the dog is broken, the owner is broken or both.

To the OP...take it slow and let the dog show you when hes ready. Leg-lifting consistently is a good guide.
 
And of course, breed has nothing to do with it? A minimum of a year is average. Giant breeds may not be ready for 25-30 months. SOME may never show interest, and if thats the case, then what? An owner thinking the dog is broken, the owner is broken or both.

To the OP...take it slow and let the dog show you when hes ready. Leg-lifting consistently is a good guide.
When did I say breed has nothing to do with it? I said it’s ok when a dog starts lifting it’s leg consistently and/or shows sexual interest. Which may be as early as 6 months irregardless of breed. It may take til 12 months, or 18. I didn’t say to start all dogs at 6 months. But if they’re showing clear signs of interest at 6 months, in my opinion that’s ok.
 
When did I say breed has nothing to do with it? I said it’s ok when a dog starts lifting it’s leg consistently and/or shows sexual interest. Which may be as early as 6 months irregardless of breed. It may take til 12 months, or 18. I didn’t say to start all dogs at 6 months. But if they’re showing clear signs of interest at 6 months, in my opinion that’s ok.
Which is counter to any advice I ever heard, and to anything I've ever practiced. At six months any dog is still a pup. Socialization and bonding with the owner is probably critical at that point. Thats a life-priority no matter how you look at the problem.

You certainly implied breed was unimportant, since you said nothing about that. Given lifespan variances, its a major consideration. Instead you floated a generalization about others thinking canines and humans could ever be compared. Direct comparison is not really possible, but indirectly, there are a lot of similar stages. You asked how many humans wait til theyre fully mentally developed? Good point, but there is one of those Variations. Dogs generally are taught their trade by an experienced canine bitch. In humans that MIGHT be illegal.

For shits and giggles, you said. Okeydoke, thats pretty scientifical, there, Doc. Just remember....the newbs coming in here asking usually know what they want, but they dont have a clue of how to get there. Simple, slow, steady advice, that doesnt call for a lot of judgement is the best thing you can give.
 
Also, for shits and giggles since you want to bring humans into this, remind me how many humans wait til they’re fully mentally developed before having sex?
And how many humans have something go wrong and turn them against sex for life because they can't understand what just happened and no one can explain it to them?

<sarcasm> But then it's just a dog and if you mess up this one you can always trade him in on a new one. </sarcasm>
 
Age:
1. "Adolescence in dogs marks their sexual maturity, usually between 8 and 12 months."
Generally speaking you should not attempt to masturbate a dog until he is sexually mature. You should wait for the dog to show sexual behavior like interest in females and mounting/humping.
(https://pmcofedmond.com/pet-education/puppy-dog-vet/dog-stages-of-life/)

2. "When Do Puppies Reach Sexual Maturity?
The timing of sexual maturity is largely size- and breed-dependent. So, talk to your vet and breeder about your puppy. Sexual maturity in puppies typically begins to occur between 6-to-9 months of age, although certain giant breeds may not reach sexual maturity until they are older."
(https://www.akc.org/expert-advice/health/sexual-maturity-in-puppies-what-to-expect/)

3. "Sexual Maturity. The onset of sexual maturity (puberty) is triggered by hormonal changes that lead to physical and behavioral changes. Generally speaking, puppies will start to mature sexually between 7 and 10 months of age."
(https://www.guidedog.org/PuppyRaising/PuppyRaiserManual/CareAndHealth/Sexual_Maturity.aspx)

You can always check your information with veterinarian literature and from various sources.
 
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I suppose every kid wants to open the Xmas presents the night before Hahaha

First post mentions large breed, so those take even some extra time.
Just some patience and go slowly. You sure do not want to create a first bad experience.
 
You certainly implied breed was unimportant, since you said nothing about that. Given lifespan variances, its a major consideration. Instead you floated a generalization about others thinking canines and humans could ever be compared. Direct comparison is not really possible, but indirectly, there are a lot of similar stages. You asked how many humans wait til theyre fully mentally developed? Good point, but there is one of those Variations. Dogs generally are taught their trade by an experienced canine bitch. In humans that MIGHT be illegal.
For shits and giggles, you said. Okeydoke, thats pretty scientifical, there, Doc. Just remember....the newbs coming in here asking usually know what they want, but they dont have a clue of how to get there. Simple, slow, steady advice, that doesnt call for a lot of judgement is the best thing you can give.
The breed of the dog affects when and how early they mature. And I said you should he going by when the individual dog matures. So I guess in a sense, breed sorta doesn’t matter as not every dog of the same breed will mature the same.

Simple, slow, steady advice...that is what I gave. Just because you or others disagree doesn’t make my advice bad, wrong, or otherwise insignificant.
 
And how many humans have something go wrong and turn them against sex for life because they can't understand what just happened and no one can explain it to them?

<sarcasm> But then it's just a dog and if you mess up this one you can always trade him in on a new one. </sarcasm>
Again, humans and dogs are not comparable. If a human has a bad sexual experience, then it’s their own fault. Unless you’re talking about rape, in which case that’s completely different and not even in this conversation. If a human chooses to forgo sex over 1 bad experience, that’s their choice. Dogs don’t work the same. We initiate something...either they’re into it and enjoy or, or they’re not and forget about it. That’s it. You’re acting as if your touch a dogs sheath at 6 months and suddenly they’re mentally retarded and scarred for life. Again, if we’re talking about rape, that’s totally different. But you’re assuming that people introducing a dog to sex too young, and forcing the dog into sex are one and the same. Which couldn’t be more untrue.
 
But you’re assuming that people introducing a dog to sex too young, and forcing the dog into sex are one and the same. Which couldn’t be more untrue.
And that is the classic pedo argument.

The point is that the dog is taking the risk so you can have your cookie a few months sooner. That is not a Zoo attitude.
 
And that is the classic pedo argument.

The point is that the dog is taking the risk so you can have your cookie a few months sooner. That is not a Zoo attitude.
Sure, ignore 80% of my message and start comparing me to a pedo. Typical Zooville response. Why do I even bother interacting with this god forsaken forum. It’s filled with nothing but holier than thou elitist bigots who think their views are the fucking 10 commandments of zoophilia, and anyone who even remotely strays from their views is a pedo or a sadist. Way to foster a welcome community.

News flash, just like the rest of the world, people have different views and opinions. If you don’t like that, too fucking bad. Get over it.
 
News flash, just like the rest of the world, people have different views and opinions. If you don’t like that, too fucking bad. Get over it.
is it still a "too fucking bad. get over it." opinion if it can possibly lead to serious hindrance in proper mental development of a puppy? i can see putting a six month old "in charge" leading to that pretty easily if he's not really ready...

then again, nor you or me know this particular boy so who knows... i used to know one who was very "into it" at only seven months old and he was almost giant size-wise (doggo argentino crossed with something tall. maybe great dane). it's just, i'm on team "better safe than sorry" all the way... what is there to rush anyway? waiting a few more months just to be sure is nothing if they have the rest of their lives to enjoy the ride
 
is it still a "too fucking bad. get over it." opinion if it can possibly lead to serious hindrance in proper mental development of a puppy? i can see putting a six month old "in charge" leading to that pretty easily if he's not really ready...

then again, nor you or me know this particular boy so who knows... i used to know one who was very "into it" at only seven months old and he was almost giant size-wise (doggo argentino crossed with something tall. maybe great dane). it's just, i'm on team "better safe than sorry" all the way... what is there to rush anyway? waiting a few more months just to be sure is nothing if they have the rest of their lives to enjoy the ride
Better safe than sorry is not always the best mindset to have. Better safe than sorry is what 90% of people claim when they spay/neuter their dog at 8 weeks old. Better safe than sorry is what PETA and most shelters say when they euthanize thousands of dogs for showing “aggressive behavior” when the poor dogs are just terrified.

I personally know a dog that started at 6 months and is now the best, most perfectly well behaved, and most friendly dog I’ve ever met. I’m addition to being very sexually actively and loves it. Again, every dog is different. And that’s why I didn’t say to start every dog at 6 months. Just that it’s ok IMO if they’re ready for it. It’s up to the owner to make that call.
 
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