Thread from the old Zooville (about bitches and condoms)

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Zoo50

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One of the lost threads from the old Zooville was about whether a person should use a condom when having sex with their bitch (female dog); the thread was called "with or without condoms with my bitch?" -- this is what was said in it:

vansyx:
"Hi,

With my female dog, I have sex with her regularly, [her] size allows me to have sex [with her] out of her heat.

My question is relatively simple: Is it reasonable for me to ejaculate in her during our relationships?

For you information, I do not live alone and I do not wish to be discovered.
I have absolutely no desire to see sperm out of her pussy a few hours after a relationship.

Currently, I use latex-free condoms lubricated with water, but I want to do without it.

You must also know that we are sensitive enough about the health of our animals and that we can leave quickly towards our vet at the slightest doubt, without being paranoid ... I will be very annoyed to have to explain the presence of sperm in front of the veto.

Thanks for your responses and your advises.

Ps : Sorry for my English, thanks google translate.

HighlyWobbly: "I mean, most men I've known, would argue that condoms on/off basically 'feel the same'. But, your mileage may vary. Preference aside, in your situation it sounds like being safe is more important?"

egoldstein: "If discovery is a major concern, I would advise against doing anything. Failing that, I would encourage you to keep using a condom. It can be difficult when living with others who don't know and keeping safe (for both of you) is important. Stay hidden, stay safe, stay happy."

vansyx: "Hi,

Thank you both for your answers.

I tested with and without and I prefer without, although I do not ejaculate without a condom.

I completely agree with "stay hidden, stay safe, stay happy".

How long can the sperm stay in her?
How long is the sperm evacuated from her?

Thanks for your responses and your [advice]."

egoldstein: "I've seen discharge up to roughly 4 days afterwards (this is from memory, I don't keep track). It's not common, but where safety is concerned uncommon isn't never."

Sweepslap: "Ok, hardcore chiming in on this one!! I can directly speak on and relate to this experience as an "expert" of your exact situation.

I have a girl, we engage [in sex] pretty frequently, I have roommates, and I have no issue with any concern of being found out, and I never use condoms. Bitches are VERY dilligent about cleaning up post sex, they clean you and themselves pretty well. I have only had a handful of leaky situations, but it was immediately post sex and she did one of those water dog shakes and shot cum everywhere, and never happened in front of other people.

If they're inexperienced they may not know to clean up all the way and may leak sometimes, but they are quick learners and become nice and tidy real soon.

My advice: Condoms suck. To me, it would be more suspicious if someone found a used condom, a wrapper, or even a box of condoms but I was never bringing home any girls. If you fuck during the day, give her about 30 minutes for cleanup and post drip cleanup before you let her around the house. Even more so if you're still worried, let her outside or take a walk right afterwords just in case. Best time to do it is late at night before bed, you've got all the time in the world to let her cleanup and eat your evidence.

I am however fairly cautious about the vet, even though they never directly inspect her that way, but I refrain 3-5 days beforehand just in case. Not for fear of dripping, but for any signs of penetration (which i don't even know if they can tell that kind of thing)

Point is, you don't need to be SUPER cautious because things actually work out pretty well for cumming inside. Just give her time to clean up and you will never have to worry about condoms ever again."

egoldstein: "In his case, or at least as I understood it, where someone else in the home might see a discharge and presume an infection and take her to the vet, I would encourage a condom all the time. That worst case scenario is very bad if there's genetic material.

My girls clean up well too, but I've still seen discharge afterwards."

vansyx: "Indeed, if there is a possible discharge after 4 days, it could be actually dangerous if it is noticed and if there is presumption of some infection of the reproductive system ... "

vansyx: "Hi,

Thank you for your hardcore advice.
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Do you pay attention during his heat?

Have you ever seen leakage after the 30 minutes of cleaning?

I will try and give my opinion afterwards, I do not promise to do it in the coming days, but I will come back to you quickly, hoping not to go in the section "Caught in the act".
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Also, I am like you, in the case of an appointment, I practice abstinence a few days before going to the vet.
This is more complicated when it is an urgent departure to the veterinarian.

Thanks for your responses and your [advice]."

Sweepslap: "During her heat I have to put doggy diapers on her to keep the house clean, and she also becomes too tight to penetrate.

I have never noticed any leakage after we play together and unless you cum a lot, theres not going to be a whole lot of leakage afterwords. Even still, most regular people dont spend their time constantly monitoring dog genitalia and probably wont notice anything.

All of this comes down to how comfortable you feel being safe. I personally am not concerned with this particular issue in my house, but you do what you feel is best to [protect] yourself. Again, the best time is late at night so that there is plenty of time for cleanup."

vansyx: "What [breed] is this?

I have not had the opportunity to have sex with her during her heat.

But I decided to try without a condom while keeping some precautions."

We are not regular people, we are wary of the pyometra, although I am aware that the sperm does not generate the pyometra.

voodooloo: "I am curious to know if doing it without a condom will get disease from the pet or bring disease to her?"

caikgoch: "Nothing is absolute but your odds [of not getting a disease] are far better with an animal because a) they don't have as broad a social life and b) most diseases are species specific."

voodooloo: "Just forget about it. I don't think this lifestyle is for me. I still prefer woman's pussy and boobs. Ciao."

Sweepslap: "Who says you can't have both?"

voodooloo: "That is true. I was thinking about it today actually. Lol? "
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Lisa said:
Im still newish to this but from a girls point of view................
same as with doing it with a boy dog as a girl I guess........I like to be clean and so on and usually wash the dog first and have used condoms on the dog or a femidom in me sometimes but they aren't too successful.
Biggest issue is dog isn't all erect yet at first penetration so condom usually comes off.
Femidoms work better as they go inside me first before we get into it......but accepting the ejaculation with nothing is ok and feels pretty nice. Can get messy though if you are in a hurry. I don't think you should be in a hurry but sometimes....u have to if someone is coming home or something.
Vaginas are pretty good at looking after themselves and cleaning themselves and a bit of cleaning of anything that ends up in your panties is always necessary as the vagina flushes and secretes stuff after sex with a guy or dog.
As usual its the girl who has to deal with the cleanup.....ha ha
nothing a panty liner or fresh panties can't sort.
ive not thought about a female dog though but assume she often secretes a bit from her vagina
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Even though the post seems to be more oriented to prevent issues like diseases, worms, fungi, etc. What this user said it's true. Vaginas tend to clean themselves and the semen usually flushes out so that would be a matter if you need to finish quickly wihtout your girl showing hints of what happened (usually runny pussy)

Now if you need to use or not a condom to other issues like diseases, worms, etc. As long as you have your girl healthy and clean you shouldn't have any trouble neither she if you're healthy as well. At least in my experience neither my girl or i had problems. But if you're talking about doing it with a dog that you aren't sure if she's healthy and such, i'd suggest wearing a rubbing, you'll not die from that, either the dog. Also if it isn't yours, you don't leave "hints" either.

Anyways, that's my opinion.
 
Fire Metal said:
Hey, welcome back! I was Sweepslap at the old site. She is a boxer, pit mix, but about 70 lbs.
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Thanks !
Mine love is a great dane.

Bluephoenyx said:
Even though the post seems to be more oriented to prevent issues like diseases, worms, fungi, etc. What this user said it's true. Vaginas tend to clean themselves and the semen usually flushes out so that would be a matter if you need to finish quickly wihtout your girl showing hints of what happened (usually runny pussy)

Now if you need to use or not a condom to other issues like diseases, worms, etc. As long as you have your girl healthy and clean you shouldn't have any trouble neither she if you're healthy as well. At least in my experience neither my girl or i had problems. But if you're talking about doing it with a dog that you aren't sure if she's healthy and such, i'd suggest wearing a rubbing, you'll not die from that, either the dog. Also if it isn't yours, you don't leave "hints" either.

Anyways, that's my opinion.
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Thank you for your reply.

As I explained, I do not live alone, and I do not wish to have sperm loss from her vagina.
This is the biggest challenge in our relationship.
 
I'd say no condoms needed unless youre sharing bitch with another guy and want to be sure about not getting any STDs.
 
Gigelina said:
I'd say no condoms needed unless youre sharing bitch with another guy and want to be sure about not getting any STDs.
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His main concern is leakage being noticed by roommates and them taking the dog to the vet for fear of some issue, and then being caught from that.
 
maybe not cum inside then - pull it out and go porn vid style creampie so she will lick herself clean

vet fear is nonsense - just dont fuck her the same day you take her to vet
 
If someone ejaculates into an animal (without a condom), that leaves behind evidence -- how can one remove that evidence? Several years ago, there was a news story about how a man was caught having sex with his dog -- his dog was taken from him, and a vet used a "rape kit" on the dog -- the vet confirmed that sex had taken place (based on the sperm residue found), and he was arrested. Is condom use the only way to prevent this?
 
Zoo50 said:
If someone ejaculates into an animal (without a condom), that leaves behind evidence -- how can one remove that evidence? Several years ago, there was a news story about how a man was caught having sex with his dog -- his dog was taken from him, and a vet used a "rape kit" on the dog -- the vet confirmed that sex had taken place (based on the sperm residue found), and he was arrested. Is condom use the only way to prevent this?
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No because of "vaginal trauma" being able to prove sex occured and thus whule your DNA isnt there...
 
Zoo50 said:
If someone ejaculates into an animal (without a condom), that leaves behind evidence -- how can one remove that evidence? Several years ago, there was a news story about how a man was caught having sex with his dog -- his dog was taken from him, and a vet used a "rape kit" on the dog -- the vet confirmed that sex had taken place (based on the sperm residue found), and he was arrested. Is condom use the only way to prevent this?
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Well in normal case the dog is certainly not going to vet to be "rape" inspected since no abuse or rape took place.
Also by testing the sperm and not DNA testing its not possible to tell if its dog or human sperm.
You are very paranoid about everything.
 
Many thanks for your messages and your advice.

The discussion is not closed, so do not hesitate to react or share your advice, stories or your experience.

I will keep you informed of my experience.
 
From my point of view (a veterinarian),

Live human sperm can remain the vagina for up to 5 days. I am not sure how long actual sperm (Dead or live) persist. We ejaculate semen that is rather gelatinous and sticky which starts to liquify about 20 minutes when exposed to air, essentially becomes runny.
Some discharge (obviously more if you ejaculated a bigger volume) of this liquified semen is expected from the bitch's vulva through the day after you have indeed ejaculated into her.

It is be rather difficult for your case @vansyx if the bitch belonged to your roommates. You might want to use a condom if you plan to ejaculate into her just because you wouldn't want to get caught. It will lead to awkward and very difficult questions to answer.

You can try to clean up the creampie externally as much as you can but I cannot guarantee some semen will still be left deeper and may still fall out later. Bitches will also clean up after themselves too so that's a good thing.
Some bitches may still discharge even after a couple of days when you decide to release your load deep into her. It will definitely raise some questions especially if she is off-season. Honestly, I will be less concern about you cumming into her if she is currently in-season as she will naturally produce bloody discharge from her vulva during her heat anyway.

Alternatively, something I don't recommend anyhow, is to flush out her vagina with warm water using a hose put directly into her vagina straight after deep ejaculation. The down side is that you can potentially disturb the normal microbial flora inside her vagina and predispose her to vaginal tract infections or you may introduce pathogenic bacteria into her, which may potentially cause pyometra.

Common-sense will tell you not have sex with her prior to visiting the vet. In any case if you do, there is a good chance most vets wouldn't check her vulva unless you mention something is wrong with her fanny or if they see a thick-brown discharge, in which they might question you further about her appetite and drinking, desexing status, demeanour, when her previous season is. They might take an X-ray or pop the ultrasound probe on her belly. They are really looking for open-pyometra.

If the discharge is cloudy, they can be suspicious of a potential UTI or mucous discharge from the vagina. Just refuse any diagnosis or treatment for a "UTI" at this stage and tell your vet that you would like to just monitor for the next few days and to come back if it is becoming a problem (might state your financial concerns to bullshit the vet too if you like).

If the discharge is clear, they might even not be too fuss about it and tells you to keep an eye on it.

Only the vaginal swab is the killer, where the vet will notice live sperm and may ask you if she has been bred recently (obviously a male stud dog in her mind) and whether you are aware of the accidentally breeding or not. Most vets cannot differentiate between K9 sperm and human sperm.
Either way, it is still a difficult position to be in and to answer awkward questions.

In any case, the vet will have to seek your permission to carry out swabs, diagnostics and treatment. You have the right to choose to refuse anything provided if the bitch still looks well in consult.

I know that ejaculating into her without a condom feels amazing and probably what you crave but you may have to weight the odds of getting caught. I would use a condom in your case and maayybbee (a reluctant maybe) ejaculate raw into her very occasionally, say like maximum once a fortnight when you are about to give her a bath (you can offer to wash your roommate's dog regularly if you like!) and then flush out her vagina with warm water.
 
Gigelina said:
Also by testing the sperm and not DNA testing its not possible to tell if its dog or human sperm.
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Wrong. Totally, completely, absolutely DEAD WRONG.

Dog and human sperm cells are visibly different from each other under the microscope. Doesn't even need to be a particularly powerful 'scope - A cheap 100x/200x/400x scope you can get from Edmunds Scientific for about 40 bucks (or could a few years ago - prices may have increased) will show all the detail needed to tell human from dog sperm cells with only a quick glance and a look at a comparison chart - severl of which are available with a quick google.

While @1000extra 's statement that most vets can't tell the difference between dog and human sperm might well be true, anyone who looks at a sample under the microscope and has any motivation to determine what species the sperm they're looking at came from can find out QUITE easily.
 
Hi 1000extra,

Many many thanks to sharing your knowledge whit us !

Another question, derived from your remark not to wash the vagina with warm water.

How to clean it correctly?
 
vansyx said:
Hi 1000extra,

Many many thanks to sharing your knowledge whit us !

Another question, derived from your remark not to wash the vagina with warm water.

How to clean it correctly?
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Betcha a nickel he'll say something *essentially* like "Don't. Full stop. It's self-cleaning." And be absolutely correct in doing so. :)

Which isn't to say that there's any harm in wiping the vulva gently with a nice warm washcloth - Just don't worry about anything further inside - it'll take care of itself unless there's something fairly badly wrong.
 
vansyx said:
Hi 1000extra,

Many many thanks to sharing your knowledge whit us !

Another question, derived from your remark not to wash the vagina with warm water.

How to clean it correctly?
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You only flush out her vagina with water when you have ejaculated inside her without using a condom, and you didn't to raise any suspicion from your roommate.
Otherwise, it is not necessary mate. You might do harm if you flush her too often.

Just clean her vulva and external vagina with a warm damp cloth is fine.

UR20Z said:
Betcha a nickel he'll say something *essentially* like "Don't. Full stop. It's self-cleaning." And be absolutely correct in doing so. :)

Which isn't to say that there's any harm in wiping the vulva gently with a nice warm washcloth - Just don't worry about anything further inside - it'll take care of itself unless there's something fairly badly wrong.
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Yes you are absolutely spot on!
 
1000extra said:
I know that ejaculating into her without a condom feels amazing and probably what you crave but you may have to weight the odds of getting caught. I would use a condom in your case and maayybbee (a reluctant maybe) ejaculate raw into her very occasionally, say like maximum once a fortnight when you are about to give her a bath (you can offer to wash your roommate's dog regularly if you like!) and then flush out her vagina with warm water.
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If someone ejaculates into a female dog's vagina (without a condom), and then doesn't have sex for a month, and then takes the dog to the vet, would the vet notice? (Is one month long enough?)
 
A month should be way more than plenty. Even just a week or ten days should do the job quite nicely.
 
Hi,

I very much appreciate your intervention to all who are changing the debate in the interest of all and more particularly that of our furry loves.

I now have some final questions for this debate:
As you know now, I use condoms during our sexual intercourse.

I try to use only condoms without latex and lubricated with water.
It is currently impossible to know if the condom is well lubricated with water, the fact that the condom is without latex is put forward on the box. How do I know if this type of condom does not affect the health of my love ?

Currently, I used some time of the Manix Supreme, and now, as it is no longer sold by my sex-shop, I tried different SKYNFELL Manix (Original, Extra Lubricated, Elite).

What condoms do you use, or would you use, for your relationships ?

Thanks !
 
Lisa said:
Im still newish to this but from a girls point of view................
same as with doing it with a boy dog as a girl I guess........I like to be clean and so on and usually wash the dog first and have used condoms on the dog or a femidom in me sometimes but they aren't too successful.
Biggest issue is dog isn't all erect yet at first penetration so condom usually comes off.
Femidoms work better as they go inside me first before we get into it......but accepting the ejaculation with nothing is ok and feels pretty nice. Can get messy though if you are in a hurry. I don't think you should be in a hurry but sometimes....u have to if someone is coming home or something.
Vaginas are pretty good at looking after themselves and cleaning themselves and a bit of cleaning of anything that ends up in your panties is always necessary as the vagina flushes and secretes stuff after sex with a guy or dog.
As usual its the girl who has to deal with the cleanup.....ha ha
nothing a panty liner or fresh panties can't sort.
ive not thought about a female dog though but assume she often secretes a bit from her vagina
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I totally agree :cool:
 
vansyx said:
Hi,

I very much appreciate your intervention to all who are changing the debate in the interest of all and more particularly that of our furry loves.

I now have some final questions for this debate:
As you know now, I use condoms during our sexual intercourse.

I try to use only condoms without latex and lubricated with water.
It is currently impossible to know if the condom is well lubricated with water, the fact that the condom is without latex is put forward on the box. How do I know if this type of condom does not affect the health of my love ?

Currently, I used some time of the Manix Supreme, and now, as it is no longer sold by my sex-shop, I tried different SKYNFELL Manix (Original, Extra Lubricated, Elite).

What condoms do you use, or would you use, for your relationships ?

Thanks !
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If it affects her health, she'll let you know - Does she develop a rash, inflammation, or discharge after you've mated with her while wearing a condom? If you gently open her vulva and peek inside her, is the lining of her vagina a nice healthy pink, or has it turned a scary shade of red? If not, that brand of condom is almost certainly "safe enough".

If she develops a rash, a swelling or discharge (ESPECIALLY a foul-smelling discharge) from her vagina/vulva that isn't related to being in heat, or if you spread her vulva open and look inside to see the lining of her vagina has turned an angry shade of red, rather than it's usual healthy pink, you probably ought to be considering a vet trip, and definitely looking for a different brand of condom before the next time you mate with her!

Unless you or your partner have known problems with latex, there's no particular advantage to using "non-latex" condoms. I assume that by "water lubricated", it means a "water-based" lube, rather than something else. Nothing wrong with that, but be aware that most lubes intended for human sexual use are already water-based, so unless you or your bitch have shown some sort of bad reaction to a specific brand (if that's the case, you should avoid that brand in the future, obviously) one is as good as another, so long as you stick to the rule "nothing that tingles, numbs, fizzes, heats up, is flavored, or is otherwise "exotic" - Just plain old water-based lube that can be rubbed onto your penis and squirted onto and/or into her vagina to make both slippery and wet. K-Y Jelly, J-Lube, or even the stuff I've been using for years - A gallon jug of no-brand-name stuff purchased from a vet for about $28 several yeas ago. Like I said, it comes in a plastic gallon jug, it's water based, and the only thing is says on its plain black and white label is "Non-spermicidal OB/GYN lube - for veterinary use only" with a lot number, expiration date, and the name of the distributor. Basically, it's "bulk quantity generic K-Y" - the cheapest lube you can get your hands on that'll do the job. This stuff does that quite well. Neither I nor any of my partners I've used it with over the years have had any bad reactions to it, or complaints about it (except when it's cold and I forget to bring it inside to warm up - Lemme tell you about my "squirt on some lube and watch my penis not only go limp, but dissappear up inside me like a whipped puppy vanishing under a bed" :) )

Personally, in the unlikely event that I were to use a condom when mating with a bitch (and your "can't risk visible evidence" situation would likely be the only reason I would even consider the idea - I hate condoms with a passion, and feel that my sperm should always be left as deep inside my mates as it possibly can be) I'd go with whatever decent brand happens to be most available/cheapest - When you go out and buy a rubber, you're buying a "meets human-grade specifications" item, designed and intended to be wrapped around and inserted inside some of the tenderest, most sensitive flesh humans have, so it's quite unlikely to be made from or with anything that's going to be harmful to you, or by extension, to the bitch you're going to put it inside, even if she's not a human - Assuming no allergies for either of you, of course.
 
A month is massive overkill for vaginal. For anal, she's going to either absorb it almost completely, then poop out whatever little bit might be left next time she goes, or just plain poop it all out, so little or no delay is needed.
 
Zoo50 said:
What about anal? If a person ejaculates into a female dog's anus, does all of your advice so far apply? (You said one month is enough time -- is that also enough time for anal?)
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Your semen will be pooped out at your girl's next defaecation, so no worries about it then!
 
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