The abusive porn cleanup project
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diazmurath
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mod's venting is cringe. I thought you guys just did it in the background, now yall giving people time to create and/or sign into another account publicly? oof.
Venting? No. It's a PSA. Maybe it will open someone's mind, get them to think "hey! Maybe I should i read the rules and educate myself". But no, that might be too much to ask.
Creating multiple accounts has been a long standing problem since day one, until we got the module that helps detect and eliminates that. You see, someone that creates multiple accounts is already up to no good as you don't need multiple accounts. What are you trying to hide? Sadism? Pedophilia? LE traps?
diazmurath
Tourist
youre response is mad extra for no reason.
What? I do not understand what you are typing.
UR20Z
Dumpster Diver
<hands Oldman a club-card> You're not the only one...
nekdoneco123
Esteemed Citizen of ZV
i think i can translate:
"i read your post in a tone you didn't intend and it's somehow your problem."
I know this wasn't directed at me, per se. But if you think we're going to sit around with our mouths shut over abusive content, then you are sadly mistaken. This site is ran by loving zoophiles that care about the wellbeing of our animals, but also including the animals within porn videos. I'm not going to quietly sit around and just delete the abusive videos uploaded to this forum. No, I will speak out against it on the forum itself if I deem it necessary to do so.
Quite frankly abusive content both breaks my heart and pisses me off at the same time. The mods of this site are only human, so it's only natural for us to let off a little bit of steam at an issue we care deeply about. I will... I repeat... I WILL speak out and "vent" about abusive content. If you don't like this, kindly log out so you don't have to see it.
Second time in as many days this video has been uploaded, the jenny is tied to a tree and bred by a rather large jack.
Thread 'Donkey mating with goat' https://www.zoovilleforum.net/threads/donkey-mating-with-goat.39752/
Thread 'Donkey mating with goat' https://www.zoovilleforum.net/threads/donkey-mating-with-goat.39752/
UR20Z
Dumpster Diver
And then there's the title - "Donkey mating with goat"...
So apparently somebody thinks that watching a donkey ripping a goat in half with its cock is somehow good fap material? Never mind what the actual footage in the file is - JUST THE TITLE is enough to earn a boot-n-ban if I had the button to do so.
(Something which I am most explicitly *NOT* asking for, thank you very much. I forget exactly who it was that said it (might have been Washington on being offered a third term, but I'm not feeling ambitious enough to bother googling for it to be sure) but his response on being offered another run at high office was something very close to "Gentlemen, if nominated, I will not run, and if elected, I will not serve." Which expresses my feelings on the idea of having a mod star pinned on my shirt to a nicety, thanks...)
The title is definitely cringe worthy as well as the content, the jenny is small enough to be mistaken for a large doe goat and the jack is the size of a large pony, absolute no-go in my opinion.
YanchaOkami
Esteemed Citizen of ZV
Misleading title is one thing (that happens so often I stopped counting and would not report for it alone), physical impossibility or torturing through size difference is another, worse thing. Tied animals are an unacceptable start for mating videos and not resembling consensual mating in most cases.
Would've reported it as well, just was already gone. Not watching videos most of the time means being mostly too late to report.
Would've reported it as well, just was already gone. Not watching videos most of the time means being mostly too late to report.
UR20Z
Dumpster Diver
Misleading titles are indeed so common as to be laughable. But in this case, even the suggestion that such material could be considered "fit to fap to" is so reprehensible that I'd burn the bastard to the ground for it without hesitation. It's amazingly difficult to piss me off bad enough to even consider such action, but this would be a situation that could/would do it. Not only would I boot-n-ban the poster, every single user who expressed anything even remotely like approval of it would have joined him flying out the door - And I likely wouldn't have bothered to open it before booting them through it...
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YanchaOkami
Esteemed Citizen of ZV
Hmm, how to write..
There are statistic maps which show which keyword was searched the most on.. Pornhub as example.
"Teen", "Young" and so on are in the top seats very widely. Even as those persons searching know exactly that it would be illicit to host such material and chance is low to find it hosted there (at least nowadays it is lower, good thing). So they actually search for the "closest legally possible", like some 18 year olds (in countries where 18+ is legally possible) which look like 14 or are dressed like such.
From that knowledge, how.. horny-struck people are and how ignorant to facts, as long as they can project their legally unfitting thoughts unto some half-assed legal video with lots of tricks, I remodeled my judging lots of years ago.
Doesn't matter for me what one writes over, under or in the video. Or if he dubs the video with unfittingly illicit sounds. It would make me shake my head like 38 hours a day which is impossible and also gives me a concussion then, if I would care about this.
The only thing which I care about is: what happened which could been filmed. Or photographed. The factual state of what happened. And there I am with you: if there's absolutely unfitting and torture-like mating visible, means: this has happened.. then please, boot them through the door and reinforce the door with some steel plate beforehand, I am happy to lend you my legs and boots as help.
Not that I think it will change the big picture of what happened, happens and so on. The video will reappear - here, there, where ever. But it reduces the unacceptable amount of ignorant fapheads with absolutely no understanding and interest in the wellbeing of the animals. It stops at least the uploading here, which is a good thing.
But titles, descriptions in text?.. I don't care.
There are statistic maps which show which keyword was searched the most on.. Pornhub as example.
"Teen", "Young" and so on are in the top seats very widely. Even as those persons searching know exactly that it would be illicit to host such material and chance is low to find it hosted there (at least nowadays it is lower, good thing). So they actually search for the "closest legally possible", like some 18 year olds (in countries where 18+ is legally possible) which look like 14 or are dressed like such.
From that knowledge, how.. horny-struck people are and how ignorant to facts, as long as they can project their legally unfitting thoughts unto some half-assed legal video with lots of tricks, I remodeled my judging lots of years ago.
Doesn't matter for me what one writes over, under or in the video. Or if he dubs the video with unfittingly illicit sounds. It would make me shake my head like 38 hours a day which is impossible and also gives me a concussion then, if I would care about this.
The only thing which I care about is: what happened which could been filmed. Or photographed. The factual state of what happened. And there I am with you: if there's absolutely unfitting and torture-like mating visible, means: this has happened.. then please, boot them through the door and reinforce the door with some steel plate beforehand, I am happy to lend you my legs and boots as help.
Not that I think it will change the big picture of what happened, happens and so on. The video will reappear - here, there, where ever. But it reduces the unacceptable amount of ignorant fapheads with absolutely no understanding and interest in the wellbeing of the animals. It stops at least the uploading here, which is a good thing.
But titles, descriptions in text?.. I don't care.
All the content I have ever reported (except threads younger that maybe 1 hour) always had large numbers of likes and approval comments. That includes some of the worst animal rape videos I have seen.
I would have warned or in some cases banned all the people who decided to like and not report. I do not think that is what mods do though.
The idea that a relatively small number of removed threads (I do not know what the actual number could be) a week would influence the number of fapheads on this forum is unfortunately ridiculous.
My goals for this project are:
1. Educate people about acceptable/unacceptable porn from a zoophile's perspective.
2. Make the porn sections pleasant to browse.
3. Piss off idiots so the move elsewhere. (This is the only think we can hope for, abuse will flourish in other places)
The 3rd goal could only be achieved if bad porn is removed in large quantities, systematically and periodically.
But this would require a significant amount of energy and effort and can not be done by just a few people.
YanchaOkami
Esteemed Citizen of ZV
Sometimes it wonders me: do people possibly not realize what happens in such videos? How to differ between a consenting animal or at least freely staying animal and one forcibly brought in a situation where it shows clear distress? 
Anyway, not able to change something which was there tens and hundreds of thousands of years ago as well.
They will get a timeout or ban, which might(!) at least let them think some minutes about "why?!".
Surely it doesn't change the amount of viewers and lurkers which just surf and fap. On the other hand that's the reason why I am not for kicking or banning people which show "reactions" to videos. If they don't understand half of what they see, it's hardly adequate, as many see uploaded videos as something okay due to being hosted / uploaded here, not due to their understanding of forced distressed animals.
Pissing off idiots .. they won't, probably. It is even for the biggest idiots no problem to find the media portals which host basically everything. Better way is if people gain some emotional reception for the animals well-being in the videos and learn how to differ. Independently from their own horny being.
A XenForo module which allows to ..notice all users which liked / reacted or answered in a thread with consent-free animal porn with a PM from the system, basically stating that the video got removed due to animal cruelty or mistreating, forced acts or comparable and as they wrote / reacted there and should check videos for clear signs of such handling due to following the forums rules, they get a two day off-time for the porn section sub categories (or locked down possibility to view/download specific file formats in the whole forum for that time span?) would probably do better than just "Kick! Ban!". They even get time to think about what they've watched at.
Anyway, not able to change something which was there tens and hundreds of thousands of years ago as well.
Oh, you got that wrong. I meant especially those ignorant fapheads which upload those videos. And reupload them. Again and again ..
They will get a timeout or ban, which might(!) at least let them think some minutes about "why?!".
Surely it doesn't change the amount of viewers and lurkers which just surf and fap. On the other hand that's the reason why I am not for kicking or banning people which show "reactions" to videos. If they don't understand half of what they see, it's hardly adequate, as many see uploaded videos as something okay due to being hosted / uploaded here, not due to their understanding of forced distressed animals.
Pissing off idiots .. they won't, probably. It is even for the biggest idiots no problem to find the media portals which host basically everything. Better way is if people gain some emotional reception for the animals well-being in the videos and learn how to differ. Independently from their own horny being.
A XenForo module which allows to ..notice all users which liked / reacted or answered in a thread with consent-free animal porn with a PM from the system, basically stating that the video got removed due to animal cruelty or mistreating, forced acts or comparable and as they wrote / reacted there and should check videos for clear signs of such handling due to following the forums rules, they get a two day off-time for the porn section sub categories (or locked down possibility to view/download specific file formats in the whole forum for that time span?) would probably do better than just "Kick! Ban!". They even get time to think about what they've watched at.
Or create a secondary account in 5 minutes.
Something tells me that there is next to no chance the admins will implement anything more than what there is already.
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When it comes to reviewing porn you as the person watching it do not in most cases know any background or context of the situation or the animal.
You can only judge the content based on what is shown. This is why some content may be seen as abusive even though the author knows it is not.
It is the responsibility of the author to evaluate whether a certain video is worth making/posting when it could be mistakenly seen as abusive. (after all it is just porn, it is not valuable and it is not necessary)
This is the unfortunate reason why I can not report some videos that I am sure come from commercial crap porn. I know the dog is held by someone and used for dildogging, but the clip does not show that explicitly.
YanchaOkami
Esteemed Citizen of ZV
Laying on the back as a single aspect has no judicial value regarding being consensual, enjoyment, fear, pain and so on.
Gripping / holding the dog / animals in position roughly (independent of position) and facial expressions / microexpressions of the animals as well as tries to get up or out of the situation are quite clear to recognize and if those are not shown - the animal laying on its back free to move to the side or get out of the position - then there's extremely rarely something forced on missionary style. Some dogs like it, some don't, no reason to report it just because of a position.
There exist drugged animal videos, but neither do private owners usually use anesthetics or sedatives, an experienced viewer would as well notice the dogs behavior being off independently from individual behavior, like no reactions at all, less muscular contractions, no panting and so on.
Regarding the individual style / position I would not judge a video by it. It's more about the communicative aspects of the animals which tell a lot, as well as the situation itself.
True. At least there's some prevention for double accounting, even if not perfect, as it can only take into consideration the data it can grab, which are wholly changeable or fakeable.
There comes the "regularly reported" aspect into play: If the same video appears ten times in one week and gets reported after a few minutes to hours, not much is won for them. Just a loss of time.
If the video stays active a year, then there's just no reason for the one uploading it to invest any time, either for account creation or thinking about decisions. And that's even a bit worse than "just having to spend five minutes" in regards of a clean media subcategory.
caikgoch
Esteemed Citizen of ZV
The other problem is that I occasionally respond to those threads with a critique of the action especially when it is hard to tell if it meets the criteria for immediate removal. That situation is becoming more frequent as repeat abuse posters edit the vid to remove the specific items of complaint before reposting it.
YanchaOkami
Esteemed Citizen of ZV
I can feel you.. know this sort of problems with different stolen / illicitly copied personal videos and images.
They try to make it appear as "theirs" or consensual.
In this case a warning to the ones liking it will not do any good, as I guess many don't know the original and as such not the unacceptable things in the full length variant. Yes, a problem indeed..
They try to make it appear as "theirs" or consensual.
In this case a warning to the ones liking it will not do any good, as I guess many don't know the original and as such not the unacceptable things in the full length variant. Yes, a problem indeed..
YanchaOkami
Esteemed Citizen of ZV
Like mentioned before: in 2-3 months I view this as a possibility.
At the moment no time to "just watch porn", would be an easy life but no chance.. rented time for storage rooms runs out on fixed date and until then restoring of base camps has to be complete, else my stuff stands on the cold streets, haha.
At the moment no time to "just watch porn", would be an easy life but no chance.. rented time for storage rooms runs out on fixed date and until then restoring of base camps has to be complete, else my stuff stands on the cold streets, haha.
Can I get a second opinion on this? To me in a normal zoophile-dog situation you would not need anyone to hold the dog on you. And the fact that he is being held by his tail does not seem right to me. I have not met a dog who genuinely enjoys being held by the tail.
"Videos of one pulling on a tail may be removed. A tail is not to be used for support or to pull an animal. Suppose an animal is not willing to participate. Do not proceed!"
"Videos of one pulling on a tail may be removed. A tail is not to be used for support or to pull an animal. Suppose an animal is not willing to participate. Do not proceed!"
I do not think the second dog in this video is adult. Can anyone else confirm that?
YanchaOkami
Esteemed Citizen of ZV
Not sure about three aspects:
Are the dogs back paws still touching the ground or does he lay on the back with paws in the air?
Is the dude holding the dog or just preventing him from sliding down (sidewards as example)?
That tail angle looks still without pain for the dog but is unnecessary. Maybe for the photo shot so he doesn't swing the tail before the camera, but still.. unnecessary.
Probably not "pulling", as on the image it's "bending aside", still would never do that to any dog with a full grip on the tail and not that near on the body, the joints need a minimum radius of curvature and it is not needed for such a photograph at all, neither for the copulation.
Addendum: If you feel like that unnecessary grip to the tail or the potential holding in pose are unwanted, report it please.
I have not enough interest in male dogs / female humans to decide about what's the norm for pictures like those here in the forum. A video would be more clear for deciding.
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diazmurath
Tourist
bro what? if you see abusive content, you give warnings, bans and removals than move on. yall are on some drama shit, with all this "love" and "care", moderating is W-O-R-K, you don't say "ooh, I shoulda ban this guy for doing the wrong thing out in the open, oh well, I will next time!" you just do it and move on. Yall look weak when you vent publically about bad actors. Notorious actors should be placed on a board or something. I get nothing but hippy dippy cringe from you mods.
caikgoch
Esteemed Citizen of ZV
It would be *SO* wonderful if you would use your superior knowledge to set up a site and run it the way it should be run. . . somewhere else.
I am going to ask you to move this unrelated rant to a separate thread in the dumpster fire section. Your chances of changing the behavior of mods or admins on here are negligible and the whole idea is unnecessary. I do not want you polluting this thread with pointless arguments.
@Oldman or @FloofyNewfie can you separate the related comments and move it to the respective place? Thanks.