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Suggestions from Grey-Muzzles?

FloofyNewfie said:
Well I'm 24 now, but I made a huge faux pas when I was around your age of 18. I was too loose with my information. I'd comment about fucking dogs on FurAffinity with the same profile that, if you looked hard enough for it, you could have found my name. Someone did find my name, my zooey comments, and most concerningly a picture of me pulled from my FB page. Which were then compiled into tumblr post for an anti-animal cruelty page. My name is uncommon enough that this page was the second result on Google when you'd Google my name. Luckily, I got the page taken down but not before it did damage.

One of the most important things you need to know about is keeping yourself safe on here. Do not let your name slip, even for other zoos that you're starting to get comfortable talking to. Do not post pictures of any identifiable pieces of furniture, recognizable landscapes and buildings, and if your animal partner is very unique looking with uncommon markings it's best not to post pictures of them. If you do post pictures of your animal partner, make sure they've never been posted elsewhere to non-zoo related sites. Do not post any other profile information which can potentially trace back to your real name. For the love any all that is good, do not post pictures of yourself on here. You'd think that would be common knowledge but I've left messages on several people's profiles on here about how dangerous that is, and thankfully most of them thanked me and changed their picture asap.

Remember zoos are people, and people are well... people. People are fallible, corruptible, and unpredictable. It's best not to put your 100% faith in someone until you've known them for years. I wish I had known all this when I was your age, it would have saved me a lot of headaches.
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Two pats for that.
 
As you are here youre propably smart enough not to mix zoo with furry.
My advice is that dont waste time trying to get more "zoo" online. Rather plan your life so you can have your own place, animals and maybe a human partner asap.
What you should get online though are non sex related true zoo friends. Not for sexual related things but for your mental stability in the future, as it will be challenged as the years go by all the people around you.


edit: Also good advice is never film and post anything about yourself as it could your ruin your life. Stay safe, enjoy life.
 
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Gigelina said:
So youre still 32f/bi dog curious ?
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That's why I said "without the catfishing."

Catfish = a man pretending to be a woman.

Edit: I specifically left out "dog curious" because a few years ago I was considering having an interest in female dogs. Later realized its not my thing.
 
Reconscope said:
What about (excuse me zoos) cojo or any other dog/animal antagonist in movies. Zombie or not

Or the movie Joe where the main character sent his attack dog on another dog that annoyed him.
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I’ve not seen the movie.
 
Gigelina said:
As you are here youre propably smart enough not to mix zoo with furry.
My advice is that dont waste time trying to get more "zoo" online. Rather plan your life so you can have your own place, animals and maybe a human partner asap.
What you should get online though are non sex related true zoo friends. Not for sexual related things but for your mental stability in the future, as it will be challenged as the years go by all the people around you.


edit: Also good advice is never film and post anything about yourself as it could your ruin your life. Stay safe, enjoy life.
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Thank you very much. Very well said.
 
Maldoror said:
My advice:

- Don't be annoying ?
- Don't ask for sex with other people's animals (well, maybe one or two owners would offer their animals, but you would have to pay ?)
- Try to discover animal sex by yourself (if you don't have previous experience). Don't do stupid stuff (ask others if you are in doubt).
- Don't let your dick be your guide.
- To deal with hate, start for not exposing yourself to haters and bigots.
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Not exactly sure what you mean by “don’t be annoying.”
I also don’t have a dick
 
doggo_deer said:
Not exactly sure what you mean by “don’t be annoying.”
I also don’t have a dick
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How to be annoying in a zoo forum:
To ask for material or zoo sex
To dispute everybodies opinions
To ask too much beginner questions (it means not using the "search" button)
To derail other people's topics talking about you, you and you.

I just assumed you had a penis. My bad.

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@doggo_deer

Oh, and about furries! This is important.

Furries have a sort of social apartheid, between some communities that are extreme toxic anti-zoophile and other communities, where a lot of the gray-muzzles and social leadership have been openly zooey for longer than you have been alive. It can sound intimidating, but many zoophiles have made their first non-zooey friends they were open to at furry venues that were more accepting. Furries CAN be great. They CAN be supportive. They CAN be civilized. It is just incorrect to treat them as if they were one group of people.

Furry, while it is made up of many small communities, can be divided roughly into three basic types. Weirdly, the more accepting types of furry-themed communities tend to be either extremely "anything goes, literally anything, the walls are painted with bodily fluids, this is Pandemonium, and Satan just strolled by" or, at the opposite extreme, almost entirely "safe-for-work" (SFW) discussion. The most hateful venues tend to be ones that harbor bland and boring vanilla porn intended for being fed to the ignorant masses. The reason why is that the most influential people at these more vanilla venues are governed, foremost, based on profit-motive, and if you are too weird or too edgy, then they lose business. The more SFW venues are often more accepting simply because there is no money to be made in wholesome coffee-shop discussion and camaraderie. You will notice a trend in all societies: when money is too much involved, then you are not very easily accepted if you do not appeal to the lowest common denominator. If you see a lot of people selling cheap "YCH" (your character here) commissions, then turn and run away: if they see you as a threat to their business models, then they will eat you alive.

Among furries, you should also try to associate more with gray-muzzles, who tend to be more accepting and more open-minded. This is not unusual: most people tend to grow more open-minded and more kind as they get older. By then, they are either confirmed asexuals or sexually experienced enough that they know how sex actually works in real life relationships. Younger and more impulsive furries should be assumed to be "idiot white knights" until proved otherwise: if they are young, they tend to have seriously stilted and naive ideas about sexuality and the nature of consent, and have not yet had enough sexual or romantic experience to understand that the world does not really run based on these sorts of hackneyed notions. Older folks are way more mature and probably already know a few zoophiles.

I suggest more SFW venues because they tend to have the higher proportion of educated gray-muzzles, who usually don't care a flying purple two-dicked fuck if you are a zoophile as long as the main thing you want to talk about is SFW material and friendly roleplay. Gray-muzzle furries that are emotionally well-adjusted enough to be friendly toward zoophiles tend to make great general mentors, actually. The typical zooey ally, within the furry community, is usually older, gainfully employed, educated, slightly left-leaning, and emotionally well-adjusted. I trust some of them more than I do my own family.
 
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Maldoror said:
How to be annoying in a zoo forum:
To ask for material or zoo sex
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But... But that kinda happens all the time in the regional subforums further down... I'm really fascinated by how we are against it, but seem to ignore that it happens constantly around here. ;)
 
CritterFunatic said:
But... But that kinda happens all the time in the regional subforums further down... I'm really fascinated by how we are against it, but seem to ignore that it happens constantly around here. ;)
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Luckily I don't have the task of monitoring the behavior of all the members here ?

Edit: please keep on giving advice to the op ?
 
Maldoror said:
Luckily I don't have the task of monitoring the behavior of all the members here ?
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Yeah, it's not your job to do so anyway. I just find it kinda funny and interesting, because there seems to be a cognitive dissonance for most people here, as quite many keep saying how one shouldn't ask for sex, as this is something that doesn't fly well in a community like this, while in the same community it happens constantly and apparently seems to fly well enough for the people doing it. It's particularly interesting as community rules have been discussed in other threads where the topic showed up as well and the discussion always reads as if the people wanting to establish the "don't ask for sex, learn to love the animal first" rule are blissfully ignorant about what happens here. I've seen that happen in many communities for years and never managed to wrap my head around that.

But as I said, it's nothing relating to you personally, it's just something I keep seeing around here and I guess, a small debate about that stance might be more helpful to newcomers, than just stating it as a matter-of-factly rule, because if a newbie sees that rule and sees it happen anyway, they might think that people saying it shouldn't happen, while not preventing it from happening, as insincere.

Maldoror said:
Edit: please keep on giving advice to the op ?
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I'm sure OP is drowning in advice so far. But I also only can add advice when I have some.

Hm...

Thinking about advice I can only add the following:
Never mix up personal opinions with proper advice, because when people are asked about advice, some of that advice boils down to just that: personal opinions and generalized statements. Advice should always be applicable and never contain personal agendas. Keep 'em neutral and factual.
 
Don't rush things, give time to time. I still fight the need of getting things done in a instant, after all I can not be around in 1 year! Experience says fast and good, doesn't exist. This is for zooey stuff, relationships, business, every thing.
And I'm just greyish muzzle
 
By the way, I consider "owner-hopping" or whatever you call it to be a behavior for someone who is not really well-established yet in life (young), and while I do not condemn people for something done out of loneliness and desperation, I hold the opinion that us zoos ought to see getting our own animals as a mark of personal achievement. I think we ought to see it as something we ought to feel proud of. "Hey, I just started leasing my own HORSE!" Almost everyone, when they are young and lonely and poor, reaches out for the nearest source of companionship that is accessible, usually our parents' animals, regardless of what many of us think of this behavior as adults. My way is to put a positive interpretation on getting to a place in life where we no longer have to do that. That is an example of personal opinion as @CritterFunatic pointed out.

Here is some cool advice, though: if you are an equine zoophile, it might help you to know that you are allowed to lease a horse at many stables. Many equine zoos do not know that, but it's actually a common system at stables that allows middle-class individuals to have the enjoyment of owning a horse, but if they run out of money, then the horse just remains in the possession of the stable they are leasing the horse from and is usually pretty quickly leased out to someone else. That way, if you happened to lose the lucrative job that was allowing you to lease a horse, then the horse would probably be just fine. If someone didn't pick up the lease right away, you could renew as soon as your career had restabilized. Being allowed to lease a horse at many stables is a real boon to the middle-class, who might love the equestrian lifestyle but might not always be able to sustain it.

Another opinion: leasing a horse is worth living out of a tent at a campground.
 
SigmatoZeta said:
By the way, I consider "owner-hopping" or whatever you call it to be a behavior for someone who is not really well-established yet in life (young), and while I do not condemn people for something done out of loneliness and desperation...
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SigmatoZeta said:
@doggo_deer

Oh, and about furries! This is important.

Furries have a sort of social apartheid, between some communities that are extreme toxic anti-zoophile and other communities, where a lot of the gray-muzzles and social leadership have been openly zooey for longer than you have been alive. It can sound intimidating, but many zoophiles have made their first non-zooey friends they were open to at furry venues that were more accepting. Furries CAN be great. They CAN be supportive. They CAN be civilized. It is just incorrect to treat them as if they were one group of people.

Furry, while it is made up of many small communities, can be divided roughly into three basic types. Weirdly, the more accepting types of furry-themed communities tend to be either extremely "anything goes, literally anything, the walls are painted with bodily fluids, this is Pandemonium, and Satan just strolled by" or, at the opposite extreme, almost entirely "safe-for-work" (SFW) discussion. The most hateful venues tend to be ones that harbor bland and boring vanilla porn intended for being fed to the ignorant masses. The reason why is that the most influential people at these more vanilla venues are governed, foremost, based on profit-motive, and if you are too weird or too edgy, then they lose business. The more SFW venues are often more accepting simply because there is no money to be made in wholesome coffee-shop discussion and camaraderie. You will notice a trend in all societies: when money is too much involved, then you are not very easily accepted if you do not appeal to the lowest common denominator. If you see a lot of people selling cheap "YCH" (your character here) commissions, then turn and run away: if they see you as a threat to their business models, then they will eat you alive.

Among furries, you should also try to associate more with gray-muzzles, who tend to be more accepting and more open-minded. This is not unusual: most people tend to grow more open-minded and more kind as they get older. By then, they are either confirmed asexuals or sexually experienced enough that they know how sex actually works in real life relationships. Younger and more impulsive furries should be assumed to be "idiot white knights" until proved otherwise: if they are young, they tend to have seriously stilted and naive ideas about sexuality and the nature of consent, and have not yet had enough sexual or romantic experience to understand that the world does not really run based on these sorts of hackneyed notions. Older folks are way more mature and probably already know a few zoophiles.

I suggest more SFW venues because they tend to have the higher proportion of educated gray-muzzles, who usually don't care a flying purple two-dicked fuck if you are a zoophile as long as the main thing you want to talk about is SFW material and friendly roleplay. Gray-muzzle furries that are emotionally well-adjusted enough to be friendly toward zoophiles tend to make great general mentors, actually. The typical zooey ally, within the furry community, is usually older, gainfully employed, educated, slightly left-leaning, and emotionally well-adjusted. I trust some of them more than I do my own family.
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Ah that makes lots of sense. Thank you
 
SigmatoZeta said:
@doggo_deer

Oh, and about furries! This is important.

Furries have a sort of social apartheid, between some communities that are extreme toxic anti-zoophile and other communities, where a lot of the gray-muzzles and social leadership have been openly zooey for longer than you have been alive. It can sound intimidating, but many zoophiles have made their first non-zooey friends they were open to at furry venues that were more accepting. Furries CAN be great. They CAN be supportive. They CAN be civilized. It is just incorrect to treat them as if they were one group of people.

Furry, while it is made up of many small communities, can be divided roughly into three basic types. Weirdly, the more accepting types of furry-themed communities tend to be either extremely "anything goes, literally anything, the walls are painted with bodily fluids, this is Pandemonium, and Satan just strolled by" or, at the opposite extreme, almost entirely "safe-for-work" (SFW) discussion. The most hateful venues tend to be ones that harbor bland and boring vanilla porn intended for being fed to the ignorant masses. The reason why is that the most influential people at these more vanilla venues are governed, foremost, based on profit-motive, and if you are too weird or too edgy, then they lose business. The more SFW venues are often more accepting simply because there is no money to be made in wholesome coffee-shop discussion and camaraderie. You will notice a trend in all societies: when money is too much involved, then you are not very easily accepted if you do not appeal to the lowest common denominator. If you see a lot of people selling cheap "YCH" (your character here) commissions, then turn and run away: if they see you as a threat to their business models, then they will eat you alive.

Among furries, you should also try to associate more with gray-muzzles, who tend to be more accepting and more open-minded. This is not unusual: most people tend to grow more open-minded and more kind as they get older. By then, they are either confirmed asexuals or sexually experienced enough that they know how sex actually works in real life relationships. Younger and more impulsive furries should be assumed to be "idiot white knights" until proved otherwise: if they are young, they tend to have seriously stilted and naive ideas about sexuality and the nature of consent, and have not yet had enough sexual or romantic experience to understand that the world does not really run based on these sorts of hackneyed notions. Older folks are way more mature and probably already know a few zoophiles.

I suggest more SFW venues because they tend to have the higher proportion of educated gray-muzzles, who usually don't care a flying purple two-dicked fuck if you are a zoophile as long as the main thing you want to talk about is SFW material and friendly roleplay. Gray-muzzle furries that are emotionally well-adjusted enough to be friendly toward zoophiles tend to make great general mentors, actually. The typical zooey ally, within the furry community, is usually older, gainfully employed, educated, slightly left-leaning, and emotionally well-adjusted. I trust some of them more than I do my own family.
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Although I can agree with most things you just said, I'd have to add a few things of my own, since I'm a furry for pretty much half my lifetime now and also grew apart from some aspects to it, while staying close to other aspects of it. So I have mixed views of the inside as well as the outside of the fandom.

Of course "Furry Fandom" is an umbrella term for all the furry communities that exist (with people's reaction to them constently changing), that's why I constantly disagree, when people keep telling, that the "Furry Fandom" goes down the drain, it doesn't, it really, REALLY doesn't. What happens in smaller communities however is something different entirely.

The problem even with some grey-muzzle and adviser type furries is, even they can be wrong sometimes. There was a furry youtuber named Kothorix for example, who's videos I usually liked to watch. He occasionally did his take on bestiality as well (can't find the video now, probably deleted or unlisted), and while he wasn't liking it personally, he was pretty fair and tolerant towards zoos in general. Unless he had his breakdown. It's an unlisted video now about how he "left" the furry community, since it failed him. What he described was his run-in with toxic elements of the groups he dealt with and how they altered his perception of furries in general. He pretty much took a shit on the fandom and declared himself to be more aligned with dragon-only parts of the fandom, excluding the majority of furries in general. Also he started to say less favorable things about the zoo parts in following statements. This showed me, that nobody is truely above personal experiences and might at some point collapse and generalize his or her disappointments on an entire community, even if otherwise a fine and respectable person.

This sparked me to actually go to the biggest, German, furry community online (since I'm German and already a member there) to ask about the opinions of members regarding their experiences and the reputation the fandom had in their eyes. Cheetah put it best when he said (and I translate):

This discussion is repeating consistently every year... since 25 years. Maybe even longer, but that's just how long I am around in the fandom.

The fandom today is as great and diverse as it has never been before. - Artwork, comics, music, dance, puppetry, conventions on every weekend of the year.

It's entirely normal that one cares more about Furry related things when everything is new and exciting, over time the enthusiasm might fade away. As with ALL hobbies or subcultures that one knows about. Some day one finds a niche where one feels comfortable and one stays there. It's the same for me too. But if you want to talk about "THE REPUTATION" or "THE FANDOM" you have to look at our subculture from an outside perspective.

The fandom produces things, that would have ben UN THINK ABLE in the past. The fact something like "Myre", originating in the furry fandom could become such an international success. Or the fact that Fox Amoore was able to record music with the Prague Symphony Orchestra in Abbey Road. Or the fact that Willion wins prizes with Fursuit-videos on festivals.

The number of female furries is rising constantly. Artwork has reached unbelievably high quality standards compared to past times. Fursuits keep improving and look better and better and better, it's amazing. And the approval of the mainstream has never been as positive as it is now.

In fact, we never had a better reputation than we have now.

And if we have a bad reputation somewhere, then it has something to do with squares, for whom "gay" is a swearword, "animals" are something for kids and "foreigners" are a threat and who can't deal with the fact, that we outclass them.
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I have to agree with him there. I guess that was one of the best responses I got, most other responses were based on gut-feeling and usually way more negative and destructive, since most people had run-ins with rotten apples, who spoiled the experience of the fandom for them.

So in conclusion I'd say, the difference between SFW and NSFW groups is less imporant than the difference between emotionally stable and grown up adults and adolescent newcomers who have heads full of ideals and little to no experience with the fandom beforehand. That said, one shouldn't make the mistake to separate between age groups either, as some young people can have quite a rational mind and some adults and older people can be human wrecks as well. In fact I currently have to deal with a person on telegram who gets stalked online by his former mate, since he is emotionally dangerously unstable and clingy, but has also been described as being obsessive, toxic when he doesn't get his way, can't take a "no" for an answer, is jealousy bipolar, has a personality disorder and some sort of extreme, manic episodes. As a reminder: We are talking about adults here.

As a general recommendation, when it comes to the furry fandom, I'd say, don't filter people by groups. You wouldn't want to be filtered either. You never know who would be accepting your zoo side and who wouldn't. There are people not liking feral art but still accepting zoos. There are people liking feral art but hate zoos since they are commonly mistaken for ones. There are people you never would have expected to accept you in the most unlikely of places.

Generally I'd say, find people you like to talk to in general. Hasn't to be about zoos or furry stuff. There are many fascinating people with a wide array of hobbies and interests out there, both inside the fandom and out. Find people you feel you'd have common ground with and then go from there. That's the best advice I can give you here.
 
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