So I just found a website and it doesn't come up in search feature, thought I should share
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MashaSobaka
Esteemed Citizen of ZV
That zeta sign looks like an intestinal worm that lives in the dog's intestines.No, that is not inclusive enough why should only canines be on the flag?
It's a PC problem because even though most people have sex with dogs, it would exclude ungulates.
I guess that's why the star version exists. In principle, the 4 quarter (N, S, W, E) represent the various animals.
The alt exists specifically because someone wanted to make a "new/fresh" version without zeta, which was everywhere. People started coming up with symbolism only after it was published.
Sorry if I sound stiff, I just really want to get those things right.
I feel this web site like a big trap. Is it serious or is it a troll? It looks like some kind of zoo-religious cult or something weird like that!
When I read "putting the welfare of the animal before owner's", I said to myself: "OK, nice! We are moving forward on a good basis, that is exactly what I am trying to do and what I always would".
Then, I read some other pages and got lost, feeling completely like, WTF? It smacks of the fake zoo site that tries to get people to join their cause and jail them afterwards.
What do you think about it?
When I read "putting the welfare of the animal before owner's", I said to myself: "OK, nice! We are moving forward on a good basis, that is exactly what I am trying to do and what I always would".
Then, I read some other pages and got lost, feeling completely like, WTF? It smacks of the fake zoo site that tries to get people to join their cause and jail them afterwards.
What do you think about it?
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originalnamehere
Citizen of Zooville
That or it's like the old MAP thing on tumblr, where they tried to drag us zoophiles into it, even comparing animals to children.
Possibly. It would be worth being able to check the creation date of the website. Who could have written such nonsense? It's scary and hurtful.
originalnamehere
Citizen of Zooville
"I made this site to face current issues related to zoophiles and zoo-adjacent people. I have been witnessing the crumbling of the pro-c zoo community, and the waters rising around it. They are losing ground at an unprecedented rate and seem to be overall oblivious to it. I've been watching the MAP community organize and form definitions that are important and relevant to their community. I've been watching them archive things relevant to their own people. Relevant to MAPs themselves. Not kids. Not some sort of agenda or propaganda. Things relevant to their community and the people within it. I've attempted to find similar things from the zoo community but it is so inundated with a fixation on pornographic content, fetishism, and an obsession with animals at the expense of self identity."
I KNEW IT
nekdoneco123
Esteemed Citizen of ZV
why do "we" need one?
the problem with any "this is my sexuality" flag is that it's and always will be just apeing the lgbt flag. and in the lgbt community, it's used just by the ones seeking attention.
is the oh-so-subtle zeta symbol not enough for the ones who seek to paint a target on their animals?
do heterosexuals have a flag?
btw, feels like the site was made by one kinda jaded person.
Google seems to have first indexed it in 2022. Looking up the link appears to be on a site called doxbin, which seems does not work and no cached result. Some parts of it brings results to Twitter, but nothing to talk about.
AppleDash
Citizen of Zooville
Looking at their anti-contact definition, I wonder what they would say about sanctioned interspecies sexual behaviour such as massaging cow teats for the milk, or human interference in insemination processes...
I also get the impression that their claim of pro-contact zoos losing ground is just wishful thinking.
All in all, it has the hallmark of a very speciesist attitude that deprives nonhuman animals of their agency and individuality, handsomely veiled with a cloak of overbearing paternalism towards nonhuman animals.
I also get the impression that their claim of pro-contact zoos losing ground is just wishful thinking.
All in all, it has the hallmark of a very speciesist attitude that deprives nonhuman animals of their agency and individuality, handsomely veiled with a cloak of overbearing paternalism towards nonhuman animals.
I think I found who may be related to this page. He was last active last year on twitter. If you google search the link, you may find another site next to it in one of the results. This is like the Sappho crap again.
nekdoneco123
Esteemed Citizen of ZV
a pedo teaching zoos how to live?
It is consistent with their desired terminology.
originalnamehere
Citizen of Zooville
I didn't use the internet for a few years, who's this Sappho I keep hearing about?
originalnamehere
Citizen of Zooville
originalnamehere
Citizen of Zooville
And what the Hell is "ZNA"? Why can't we use words and not acronyms??
Furble
Tourist
Ugh... I went through the entire site and mostly I couldn't really figure out what point they're even trying to make. One thing I do know is that I do not in any single fucking way want to be associated with pedophilia.
It's also not clear whether the author makes a distinction between zoophilia and bestiality. At least the ZETA principles are there which I generally support, though I'm not that familiar with them, they seem to make pretty good sense and operate from a sense of care and compassion over greed and pleasure-seeking at all costs etc.. Frankly, imo that should be the only thing that matters. Sex can be great, sex with animals can be great, but only under the right circumstances.
It's also not clear whether the author makes a distinction between zoophilia and bestiality. At least the ZETA principles are there which I generally support, though I'm not that familiar with them, they seem to make pretty good sense and operate from a sense of care and compassion over greed and pleasure-seeking at all costs etc.. Frankly, imo that should be the only thing that matters. Sex can be great, sex with animals can be great, but only under the right circumstances.
nekdoneco123
Esteemed Citizen of ZV
be glad you don't know.
zeta north america. latest attempt at a clown brigade, led by a pedo.
nice to hear. too bad they are still not part of the rules here for some reason so the one about not promoting the thing to fetish-seekers gets violated by all the "how to make my wife fuck a dog for me" folk over and over and over.
Franny&Zooey
Citizen of Zooville
Thanks for sharing itstumbled across it while looking for our flag:
Since the website is out there in the wild, I'm bringing it to your attention, so that we can have a discussion. I really encourage you to read the whole thing. My opinions had to be scrapped because I started writing before reading to the end.
Speaking of which, if anyone is interested in the aforementioned opinions, here we go:
Looks like we have some sort of secession going on. And not just another group being created, this one has a completely different view on the matter. They refuse to put the animals first and focus on themselves, arguing this is going to let them "walk in the light", read, be open about zoophilia under their own names. The website doesn't explicitly state to be at odds with us, trying to argue for coexistence. However, it appears the reason they abandon bestiality altogether is because of external pressure that would otherwise force them into hiding. That pressure will not stop being applied to us. I'm afraid it's gonna end like with the furries. Not only that, there is already this kind of sentiment:
Even though the standard for accountability is our ZETA principles (bottom of the site). There is also apparent ignorance, since the consent issue, which is clearly going to end in major frictions between us is deemed "not worth fighting over". I guess it wouldn't if they truly don't care about animals, so whatever we do to our partners wouldn't matter to them, while we would have no problem either, since they don't interact with animals to begin with. But what zoo would ever reject the animals as irrelevant? I can't see anything good for us resulting from this. Maybe some people would be helped, it's too early for me to say what objective impact this new movement will have. But for us? Trouble at best.