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PC Nerds: AMD or Intel?

Oh boy am I gonna get grilled for this one, but I will defend it until I die

ARM will be KING!

I've been advocating for ARM since around 2015. I knew that in just a few short years, Intel and AMD would be screwed. And here we are. Just take a look at the new Mac's that have come out with Apple's ARM chip in it, the M1. It absolutely DEMOLISHES an intel Core i9, and still only uses 15w of power! (And the Macbook Air doesn't even have a fan lol). Now add a fan and bump up the wattage for desktop, and just imagine what could be possible. The numbers are just astounding, current and future. GPU benchmarks are also way up there. IIRC, its comparable to a mobile GTX1050 or something like that but dont quote me on that. Anyway, the mathematics for Intel or AMD leading the way for performance is not there anymore. In a few years, we're going to see ARM chips built by manufacturers for Windows and they will re-imagine what power looks like in a CPU.

Yes, I know you said PC nerds and I'm talking Mac over here, but I'm just using this as a real life example of just how POWERFUL ARM is, and how screwed Intel and AMD are gonna be in a few years. I'm completely open to other people's interpretations of this. I encourage though everyone sees the benchmarks for themselves, they truly are phenomenal.
 
TeslaModel3 said:
ARM will be KING!

I've been advocating for ARM since around 2015. I knew that in just a few short years, Intel and AMD would be screwed.
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Except any company can build an ARM processor, hence why Apple did. If ARM is as good as claims say, then we could see both chip manufacturers swap to ARM based processing (or a knockoff thereof) and still remaining relevant.

AMD did just look at buying an FPGA company, so it's possible they will come across other architectures that they will want to use for their processors. If anything, I see AMD coming out ahead given current stances
 
Voyguy5533 said:
Except any company can build an ARM processor, hence why Apple did. If ARM is as good as claims say, then we could see both chip manufacturers swap to ARM based processing (or a knockoff thereof) and still remaining relevant.

AMD did just look at buying an FPGA company, so it's possible they will come across other architectures that they will want to use for their processors. If anything, I see AMD coming out ahead given current stances
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True, but the problem is that both use the x86 architecture, which in itself is doomed. We have pretty much done all we can with x86 in terms of getting it to perform as best it can, while ARM has a lot more headroom and ways to go. For example, lets say something needs to get from point A to B in a computer. With an ARM chip, you can just draw a straight line. With an x86, you have to stop at point C, wait at point D, go around point E, etc, until you arrive at point B. This is of course not very technical, but its the best I think I can explain in terms of assembly language and what goes on in the code that processors speak.

On the thought that Intel and AMD can just switch to ARM architecture and abandon x86 altogether, yea they could do that, but it wouldn't be that easy or quick of a transition. In fact, it probably makes the most sense to do this, but none of the companies have that in their roadmap anytime soon. I feel that at that point, it will be too late as ARM based chips will be blowing Intel and AMD out of the water. More than they are already.
 
This is a good 5-10 minute read on the current comparisons between x86 and ARM. I would say it's worth developing, but if the article is accurate, it sounds like it would be not worth the jump for big companies, and it won't provide the performance boost you are expecting.
www.extremetech.com

What Kind of Performance Should We Expect From ARM-Based Macs? - ExtremeTech

What kind of performance advantages should we expect when Apple shifts to ARM over x86? Some of the articles online are framing this as a CISC-versus-RISC battle, but that's an outdated comparison.
www.extremetech.com www.extremetech.com
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Voyguy5533 said:
This is a good 5-10 minute read on the current comparisons between x86 and ARM. I would say it's worth developing, but if the article is accurate, it sounds like it would be not worth the jump for big companies, and it won't provide the performance boost you are expecting.
www.extremetech.com

What Kind of Performance Should We Expect From ARM-Based Macs? - ExtremeTech

What kind of performance advantages should we expect when Apple shifts to ARM over x86? Some of the articles online are framing this as a CISC-versus-RISC battle, but that's an outdated comparison.
www.extremetech.com www.extremetech.com
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The article makes some fair points, and it's totally right about CISC vs RISC, but I'm almost positive that's not the whole story in terms of performance at low level code. However it wasn't accurate when guessing at the performance charts. This was released before the M1 chip was out, and the we only saw the first benchmarks of the chip this week. I'll link an article with current tests now. They beat out desktop i9's.

9to5mac.com

Mac mini with M1 chip faster than all Intel Macs in single-core tests - 9to5Mac

New Geekbench scores show that the 2020 Mac mini with M1 chip is faster than every Intel Mac in single...
9to5mac.com 9to5mac.com

Either way, we'll just have to wait and see what the future holds :)
 
TeslaModel3 said:
I'll link an article with current tests now. They beat out desktop i9's.

Either way, we'll just have to wait and see what the future holds :)
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I would surely hope they beat previous benchmarks, no point in releasing a new product if it isn't better. But the Intel 10910 processor they used to use was by no means top of the line for desktop applications. It should be noted that the processors referenced are designed for laptops, so it's an unfair comparison to make anyways.

I would venture to say that ARM is a potentially better option in low power systems like laptops, where every watt matters, but for systems that don't demand low power draw, x86 will remain just because it's whats standard.

As you say, we will just have to wait and see.
 
Intel. Had one AMD laptop and PC, both had problems running certain games, and Googleing the problems always was "this only occurs on AMD".

Escape from tarkov for example currently has a problem with AMD since the recent patch. There are workarounds, but they are quite annoying.
 
I'm currently on a 4 day old Ryzen 9 and loving it. I'm not a big gamer and I haven't had an video to edit yet but it's nice to have 8 different desktops open with a large app running in each and still not find any lag anywhere. I'm still waiting for the fans to kick in for the first time.
 
I tend to go with whatever has the best performance per dollar for my budget. I've used both AMD and Intel. Both make a damn fine CPU.

Now if we're talking Nvidia and AMD. I prefer Nvidia. I've always had fewer issues with Nvidia.
 
I just remembered, Nvidia bought ARM, so the whole conversation is highly relevant to them. We could see them being the next big cpu manufacturer
 
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