SxaBeast
Esteemed Citizen of ZV
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Is it time to revisit the rule against stalking?
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saddlebum66
Supreme Citizen of ZV
Agreed, DD....and Ive been saying that pretty much the same way for twenty plus years. We do get a lot more actual females here than most users think. But we have no idea how many come in, get verbally assaulted immediately, and leave, never to return. We probably can't stop that behavior. Some of these "Voldemorte junior grades" were dragged, not raised....but we can make it hard for them to repeat offenses. Since nothing here disappears, if someone is accused, it can be checked out fairly quickly.
Hell, you can see it on the front page...five posts to different female -ish profiles from the same guy at the same time smells like clown to me.
19cowboy62
Tourist
As it was said it's a lot of work for mods, a slippery slope. But a very good point. The female members, should feel comfortable. There is a section for people wanting to meet. I don't go there, because it's thirsty guys. I rarely post or respond to any post by a female, not because I wouldn't like to chat with them. But because I refuse to be one of those guys. I'm a old zoo, decades of experience. And yes had a female partner for many years. Cancer took her. Enough said there! This is the best zoo site out there. But sadly so many thirsty guys. Females want to feel safe, not be pounced on. I'd say back off guys but wouldn't help. Anyone feel free to dm me glad to offer advise or just polite chat. And to make this very clear, my girl is not available!! I don't!! My pup pup. Quit asking!!
Dogdaddy69
Esteemed Citizen of ZV
Well said. That is pretty much exactly my point.
People who want to chat and/or meet, I see no harm there.
It's the relentless behavior by a few, call it what you will, that makes this place a place where a lot of women feel pretty exposed.
People are real quick to call this a community, and in some ways, it is, but too, this isn't just a moderation issue, it's a community issue. And while some people are willing to stand up on this issue, most are indifferent, and when not indifferent, pretty passive.
I don't think many people are FOR harrassment of female members.......but, is that the bar here?
CrossedDestiny
Citizen of Zooville
ive been to several group meets, and met a few one on one, but not the way most people think, I have never gone into it looking for a screw, I am married, and happy, I instead look for like minded friends to forge long term friendships of. Sometimes its nice to talk to someone who shares such a secret.
19cowboy62
Tourist
Yep, any idea what can be done? I haven't a clue? It's online, so us good guys can't bring the bad ones behind the barn so to say. Thread cought my eye I had to jump on my soapbox. I hate seeing it I see a post by a female would like to comment a polite response. But won't . I get dms from guys wanting to ?? Have my pup? I don't, I make that clear. Yes I got her thinking that. But .. that's my pup pup . You might as well ask if you could f... My daughter. I just am on soapbox tonight sry. I'm just as thirsty as the rest. But jeez be polite, lol sry I get down now
Dogdaddy69
Esteemed Citizen of ZV
Outside a rule adjustment to limit the behavior, I don't know. There IS no fix for the behavior, the best it gets is limiting how much it can be done. If not officially, then by the community at large showing any interest in doing so themselves.
Rapes and murder still happen even with severe penalties, so I don't honestly believe there is a final fix.
At the end of the day, I don't really expect there will be any change. I have very little faith in humanity as it is, I have even less faith that strangers in an anonymous online group will do anything that alters that outlook.
Also at the end of the day, I have no power to be that change either, outside not being a part of the problem.
I think the larger zooville community needs to consider what they really want the site to be. Zoo oriented including females or an all male zoo echo chamber.
saddlebum66
Supreme Citizen of ZV
With this imbecile incel crew, if they chose the latter It would not surprise me.
MDF-MS
Citizen of Zooville
I would say that copy-pasting a one-liner at several female looking profiles, or sending that in PM is spamming, and not stalking.
Stalking would be when it is targeted to one or few accounts, with comments, reactions or numerous postings.
I've gotten a couple of those already since my reappearance at this place. Not severe enough to be reported in my opinion, but more of a "Hey, look at me trying to get your attention" modus operandi.
It's annoying, those copy-pasters are annoying too. And a rule change, to counter actions that might not have existed when the rules were written might be a good idea.
As all such behavior do, very much so, contribute in less females posting here or even increase the number of females that leaves this place.
As those copy-pasters are the ones complaining the most about the lack of females here, it is humorous that their very own actions contribute to the exact opposite of what they would want, more females at this place.
Stalking would be when it is targeted to one or few accounts, with comments, reactions or numerous postings.
I've gotten a couple of those already since my reappearance at this place. Not severe enough to be reported in my opinion, but more of a "Hey, look at me trying to get your attention" modus operandi.
It's annoying, those copy-pasters are annoying too. And a rule change, to counter actions that might not have existed when the rules were written might be a good idea.
As all such behavior do, very much so, contribute in less females posting here or even increase the number of females that leaves this place.
As those copy-pasters are the ones complaining the most about the lack of females here, it is humorous that their very own actions contribute to the exact opposite of what they would want, more females at this place.
OffgridK9lover
Prized Citizen of ZV
Lead fixes a lot, how bad things need to get before people start remembering how we done it in the old world is the real question.
K_9River_rat
Esteemed Citizen of ZV
I couldn't agree more.
Something that comes to mind, is something that dawned on me after being here for a bit.
Keep in mind, this is the first and only site of its type that I've been on as a member, and what attracted me was the numbers of "normal" people, meaning zoos that are basically normal people that had a healthy love/attraction as opposed to to just straight up horn dogs and pervs.
After being here a while, it became apparent that it appears there are two basic types of folks that are drawn here, with those groups being able to be further broken down.
But the two basic types are one, people like me, the mods, and probably most of the folks in TDF and also in this conversation, that have some sort of moral "code of ethics", in that we respect animals and their wishes and all of that.
The second group is the people we're talking about for the most part.
Their primary drive is fap material and all of that, and they're the ones that are constantly replying "hot!!" and all of that to every other bit of porn that comes across.
They seem to have this idea that if a woman would allow a dog to fuck her, then she either must be easy, and/or open to all sorts of perverted shit.
These folks have no clue what respect is for humans or animals, and got here based on their depravity, which oftentimes has included a pedo/fence hopper/rape type element.
Unfortunately, there's a large amount of them here, but our hands become tied, also unfortunately, because the way the laws look at things, we all basically fall under the same umbrella as far as they're concerned.
I do not in any way want this to become an all male echo chamber, and I'm saddened by the females that have left, likely due to the harassment.
I'm one of those that won't even send a DM to a female unless she invites me to in an open forum, or she DMs me first.
I won't even post on her profile, because I feel that by doing so, maybe in her eyes, I'm just another schmuck not worth her time.
I don't know if it's possible, but maybe have an earned title like dumpster diver that would be "spammer" or "stalker" folks can earn from spamming or stalking that didn't quite meet the ban level that would be temporary in nature depending on whether or not their behavior changed.
Just a thought..
But I do think something should be done..
I'm guessing. But I think there's something in the maintenance tab in the admin side that can refresh all accounts no matter how old.
It's zt even if someone says something is possible he doesn't listen.
Removing the non zoo section may get rid of half of them .If some wonder why certain areas get cleaned out is because I just decided to clear up the non zoo section and some personals.
Regarding personals most of those profiles have never logged in, and people use them to hijack and advertise themselves.
Regarding personals most of those profiles have never logged in, and people use them to hijack and advertise themselves.
dartel
Prized Citizen of ZV
Makes me wonder if there's a plugin that could be installed to auto delete threads from specific sub forums after x time of inactivity. Auto purge personals and requests after a few months of no replies.
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Intros too, either purge or lock after a month. The number that turn into rolling conversations, or het randomly replied to 3 years after the person last logged in is pure stupid.
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CrossedDestiny
Citizen of Zooville
Or they think because they have a male dog, they can use its knot as a fishing lure to bring a woman to them to then screw themselves, with or without the dog present. I seen a ton of those in my time on various sites, they might as well be prostituting the dog, with the form of payment being dipping their own stick as well.
MDF-MS
Citizen of Zooville
How about those that see the females of this place, or those they think are females, as their personal providers of wanking material?
Those who demand, and not request, the ones they write to to provide them with whatever it is they feel like they currently need in order to rub one out.
Those that treat you like the only reason for your existence is to aid in their release of sperm.
Those that become extremely angry and hostile if you, a worthless whore, have the audacity to refuse them what they just demanded that you, an utterly degraded and low form of life, must give them.
It's not against the rules to demand to be served that, and reporting them results in nothing but a "Just ignore" suggestion from the staff.
But, in my opinion, these people are also a huge reason for "the lack of females" at this place.
So, should repeated actions like this have repercussions, or is the current order where they are allowed to roam free and act however they want in DM the best opinion?
Those who demand, and not request, the ones they write to to provide them with whatever it is they feel like they currently need in order to rub one out.
Those that treat you like the only reason for your existence is to aid in their release of sperm.
Those that become extremely angry and hostile if you, a worthless whore, have the audacity to refuse them what they just demanded that you, an utterly degraded and low form of life, must give them.
It's not against the rules to demand to be served that, and reporting them results in nothing but a "Just ignore" suggestion from the staff.
But, in my opinion, these people are also a huge reason for "the lack of females" at this place.
So, should repeated actions like this have repercussions, or is the current order where they are allowed to roam free and act however they want in DM the best opinion?
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Dogdaddy69
Esteemed Citizen of ZV
Serial anything rule violation can result in a ban, the problem is when whatever negative serial behavior isn't violating a rule.
K_9River_rat
Esteemed Citizen of ZV
I'd say we should have a written rule on that... with a ban hammer tied to the other end..
There's a thought behind that behavior, and while we may be able to curb the behavior (better than nothing), curbing or changing the thoughts behind the behavior isn't so easy, and youre still left with a piece of shit..
I have zero issues with just getting them the fuck out..
dartel
Prized Citizen of ZV
"When someone does a foolish thing you should say it is a foolish thing. They can still continue to do it, but at least the TRUTH is where it needs to be."
MDF-MS
Citizen of Zooville
Me neither. Not a single person, that's not one of the earlier described people, that I've talked to have said that they enjoy getting direct messages from such people.
If not met with hostility and anger when refusing their demands, the very common excuse "The fuck is your problem, bitch? This is a sex site! Go back to Facebook if you can't handle people talking about sex, you fucking weirdo." is used to explain how wrong it is of you to refuse their, apparently, very fitting and normal demand for content.
carnotic
Zooville Settler
If we want a more positive and vibrant community here then limiting the potential damage that a bad actor can cause is a must.
I also strongly suspect a Pareto distribution in this issue which suggests that a significant portion of bad experiences can be prevented with the removal of just a few problematic accounts.
I also strongly suspect a Pareto distribution in this issue which suggests that a significant portion of bad experiences can be prevented with the removal of just a few problematic accounts.
MDF-MS
Citizen of Zooville
That's nice, thinking good of others.
Sadly, it's not only a few. A couple of hundreds or even thousands would need to be removed to have the "problematic accounts" gone.
carnotic
Zooville Settler
Few is a relative number. I’d hope to eliminate less than %10 of active accounts that represent the worst of the problem. But I freely admit that could be very optimistic as I have no data specific to this site.
I have a few other ideas that could help mitigate the problem as well. Some proactive, some reactive. I’d be more than willing to assist with the implementation as well. Either way, I’d like to help with the problem.
turboman420
Tourist
What OP is describing I'd say falls under spamming more than stalking. If you're spamming the same copypasta either at every woman on the site, or repeatedly spamming it at the same woman, I think its reasonable for mods to ban them for spamming. IMO stalking is something that should be addressed on a case by case basis rather than trying to make an official rule declaring the number of messages that constitutes stalking, (obviously if a user complains of harassment and the harasser doesn't stop, or theres a clear legitimate threat, ban them.
TBH, while i feel guys who don't know when to leave a woman alone are turds, I also think that women can speak for themselves and let the mods know when someone is harassing them, and that its kind of infantilizing and insulting for men to be trying to set the rules of when other men are allowed to contact women
TBH, while i feel guys who don't know when to leave a woman alone are turds, I also think that women can speak for themselves and let the mods know when someone is harassing them, and that its kind of infantilizing and insulting for men to be trying to set the rules of when other men are allowed to contact women
Dogdaddy69
Esteemed Citizen of ZV
No......not really. Some yes, but mostly not, because everyone knows, more than 4 gets you a spam warning. So, you have some of that, but mostly not.
Mostly what I'm talking about is serial stalking of profiles. 15, 20, 30 posts in a single day.......different profiles yes, but serial is the word. And almost every post differently worded, some, specific to the profile in some way. That's overkill any way you cut it.
The ASSHOLE who inspired this post had a post count of 15......and FIVE fucking pages of profile posts. Not, 1 or 2 here and there over 2-3 years, but all in groups of 15 or 20 and all on the same days for each grouping, in 3 months time. EVERY profile either female or something that could reasonably thought to be female.
If that's not serial stalking, I don't know what the fuck else it could be called. That's a target audience being targeted. No other way to describe that.
saddlebum66
Supreme Citizen of ZV
Dunno how old you are bud, or how long youve been on the Net unsupervised, but tbh....You're not paying attention.
Yes....Women are grownups, or should be, and can speak for themselves.....but why do they have to on this sort of problem?
A). Why do males( sorry, these shitheads are not MEN) think its okay to abuse women, physically, mentally, verbally?
B). Would you, as a Male, accept such abuse?
C). Do many of our male users accept such behavior because its invisible to them?
D). Are they thus enabling bad behavior on the part of other males?
Im not singling you out, but your reality is a bit skewed to the testosterone side of the question.
After more than 25 years on the net, in places like this, One thing has become quite clear.....Women are as much targets online as they are offline.
Males regard the complaints they make as whining, not getting their way, bitchiness, or the classic, "That Time of The Month", as if the girls havent had enough periodic experiences to keep that out of their interactions with other people.
There's an expression coming into popular use that bears paying some attention to, re: race...."White Priveledge".
I don't think its too far off to add "Male" to the concept....Or take it even farther and separate it...."Male Priveledge" ....which allows most males to be blind, deaf and dumb to the issues of everyone BUT males. That blindness is what allows the "turds", as you phrased it, to survive and continue the behavior.
Misogyny is alive and kickin' here, and most of the women know they are clearly
a minority. Even when reporting to mods on bad behavior, some of them find that what might be a bannable offense to one mod may be looked at as a "boys will be boys issue" by another.
As a rule, the mods are pretty good at weeding this littIe Eden, so I won't say it's common, but its noticeable.
As I said, I'm not singling you out, but you really ought to think about this. Walk that mile in Heels. Because those who are not part of the solution are part of the problem.
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I do. Whenever I get an instant messenger report, every one involved gets a healthy slap, then I go into their history and look for more. I will admit that some may squeak by if I'm tired enough and pass out before I can finish, or it's too vague. They would have to specifically ask for their ID.
turboman420
Tourist
I don't deny that tons of men are absolute shitheads, that tons of men need to learn to respect women, but when it comes for calling for changes to policy in the name of protecting a particular group, I think members of that particular group should the be ones making the call for policy change.
As a bisexual, i hate when straight people go around declaring whats homophobic and what isnt, i always say that im perfectly capable of getting offended on my own and dont need straight people getting offended for me, if something offends me let me be the one to tell you - im simply saying that i feel that the same logic should apply to letting women be the ones to say if they want something done for their protection.
Dogdaddy69
Esteemed Citizen of ZV
That's an excellent point. And one I hadn't thought of in those terms.
So, let me clear up some things. I have been using examples of it heppening to female accounts because that's the low hanging ftuir. So, my bad as far as that goes.
But, there are an rqual number of men and trans accounts that get the same kind of bullshit, and I report that and bitch about it too. Because it's the behavior that needs to fucking stop.
The main difference I see is that men dont recognize this as a potential problem, the same way I can walk thru a parking garage at 3 am and never even have a thought that I may be in danger, because I probably am not. Dark parking lots at night, keaving my drink on the bar when I go piss, those kinds of things don't make the same impact on men that they do women.
Having said that.........this has been up for a week. And, it's basically all men here for the most part. So, maybe women like the attention. I don't know. Whatever, not my problem. If it bothers them, they can complain to the staff. Or just leave, whatever, not my problem.