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Is it time to revisit the rule against stalking?

Dogdaddy69

Esteemed Citizen of ZV
1. No spamming, Flaming, Harassing, stalking. Users with multiple reports will be receiving infractions, or a ban. Depending on severity.

At what point does spamming dozens of "female appearing" profiles become stalking? I understand that members here have the ability to delete any comment posted to their profile wall. And that generally is where any complaints about anything posted in such fashion generally ends.

Stalking is a problem here, or has been in the past. In particular, one individual that many older members reference as if he is a real life Voldemorte.

Setting that aside for the moment, does anyone else think it might be time to visit both what constitues "stalking behavior" and how that is treated in the existing rules of the site?

This, like any site that deals with sex, is a male dominated space, and one of the constant complaints here is that "there are no women" or the general lack of a female presence here in any great numbers in context to the number of males here.

To be fair, it's been my overall understanding that the more flamboyant versions of stalking behavior at least does get dealt with when it's brought to the attention of site moderation.

I have to ask though, why any member here is allowed to constantly seek out and comment on an unlimited amount of female accounts daily? I'm NOT suggesting comments on profiles should be stopped or curtailed, but I'm not the only one who thinks that commenting on 20 female accounts a day, particularly when that is more or less an account's ONLY posting on this site, is at the very least, stalking behavior. And, I for one would like to understand WHY that type of posting behavior gets a pass?

It's not targeted at any one individual but is it any less a "behavior" or a tendancy because it isn't on 1 specific person? And because it's not targeted to one member, does that make it any less creepy and unsettling to the female members of this site? What about the fact that it IS targeting one specific gender? Why doesn't that constitute a few red flags that should maybe be addressed a bit more clearly in the rules?

In past reporting of this behavior, things that have come up are posting the literal exact same message more than 4 times is a violation. But, that's spam, not stalking. Other times, what comes back by response is that users have the ability to delete any comments.

I do realize that making a rule change here is a bit of an uphill climb and that doing so will increase the work load on the moderation team, but I do think it's time someone drew out a clear line limiting what appears to me to be an increasing amount of under the radar, serial stalking of female profiles.

Thoughts?
 
what about limiting profile posting to X number of posts too? that would help alot for those "renew/recycle" throwaway cases.
 
I can see where this is a slippery slope, but in the same breath, I completely hate the fact that the female membership here has been hurt by this behavior.

Yes, this is indeed a sex site, and also a zoo site, but not so much of a hookup site, and while I was maybe disappointed in that at first, it very quickly became obvious as to why, and with that new information in mind, I'm now glad that this isn't a hookup site.

I don't know how to figure out how/where to draw that line, but I would certainly support the idea if it means that the women here can feel more comfortable with being here.
 
yes and no antizoo or police will set up meetings there to bust the people - a good idea
Then we should totally do it, because lord voldeshit would totally go there and get come uppins. JK

Vold: What are you wearing?
Cop: I like to dress up as a police officer and hand cuff people actually. Sometimes the K9 ""helps"".
Vold: I am on my way!
 
Not disagreeing that it's not a hook up site.

But what I'd like to know is how allowing certain members to harrass and make an entire gender uncomfortable on this, a zoo site, is in any way helpful to those members or this site?

Does turning the site into an all male echo chamber help with the mission of being a zoo oriented site?

Have to admit, I don't see that as being helpful for anyone.
 
what about limiting profile posting to X number of posts too? that would help alot for those "renew/recycle" throwaway cases.
It already is limited. Lurkers can't START a profile post, though they can reply to them. ZT did that the same time he "restricted" following.
 
It already is limited. Lurkers can't START a profile post, though they can reply to them. ZT did that the same time he "restricted" following.
increase the number cuz the 10 post rule (i think it was 10) can be spammed without getting a good feel on someone. i would say 20 or 30 is a healthy number.
 
increase the number cuz the 10 post rule (i think it was 10) can be spammed without getting a good feel on someone. i would say 20 or 30 is a healthy number.
Restrictions are tied to rank, so either they'd have to make it 150 or put in a new rank between tourist and settler.
 
It already is limited. Lurkers can't START a profile post, though they can reply to them. ZT did that the same time he "restricted" following.
Is it?

I know I've seen asshats with 3 posts and 80 profile posts. And within the past 2 weeks, but I don't recall if they were older accounts grandfathered in on old posting rules or newer accounts.
 
I didn't know that. Or notice, which amounts to the same thing, lol
It was done to "curb" the number of "what's your chat id" messages lurkers sent, but since others could still post to lurker's profiles and lurkers could "reply" to an existing post on the other person's profile, it really wasn't effective. The idiots who can post to the lurkers just ask for them cause "for some reason I can't pm you" and the lurker would proceed to break the rules, and since the mods won't punish the idiot for leading the lurker to the rule breakage...
 
A couple of horndog profile posts are one thing, but dozens of them one after the other aren't and I go scorched earth and delete all profile posts by said spamming asshats.

And I agree that the post requirements need to be increased, been saying that for years now to get rid of all the no post spammers.
 
A couple of horndog profile posts are one thing, but dozens of them one after the other aren't and I go scorched earth and deleted all profile posts by said spamming asshats.

And I agree that the post requirements need to be increased, been saying that for years now to get rid of all the no post spammers.

Take a look at this fucking cancer. And, one of the mods this am already deleted and entire page of profile drool.
 
I can understand tge discomfort that many females in particular would find with this sort of action from many males, but this site is very...well....people seeking people. You are going to be inundated with messages if you proudly and loudly declare yourself a female.

The bulk of individuals here are male and 99% of them would be seeking actively to find a female.

I personally check profiles before I message, is this a crime? I think not.

As for limiting the amount if profiles someone can view or post too in a day is just rolling down the road of ALL other 'hook up' type sites where to message you have to pay.

This site offers the ability to just delete messages etc. Leave it upto the individual what they choose to do.

My 2 cents.

Johnny.
 
I can understand tge discomfort that many females in particular would find with this sort of action from many males, but this site is very...well....people seeking people. You are going to be inundated with messages if you proudly and loudly declare yourself a female.

The bulk of individuals here are male and 99% of them would be seeking actively to find a female.

I personally check profiles before I message, is this a crime? I think not.

As for limiting the amount if profiles someone can view or post too in a day is just rolling down the road of ALL other 'hook up' type sites where to message you have to pay.

This site offers the ability to just delete messages etc. Leave it upto the individual what they choose to do.

My 2 cents.

Johnny.
checking profiles. or messaging on profiles is pretty far from what I'm talking about.

Big difference between what you said and systematic, serial posting.
 
I don't know that this behavior quite constitutes stalking, but it's definitely creepy and harassment.

I don't think there's ever going to be a way to get rid of desperate and horny behavior, but I kind of agree that 10 posts is way to few and easy to get to if you're trying to prevent this kind of behavior. It's too easy to get to that threshold in less than an hour by necroing and spamming low-effort responses that contribute nothing. I wonder if there is any way to timegate this instead of limiting it to post number. I bet if you make people wait a week after account creation in addition to the 10 posts before they can pm or spam people it would help a bit.
 
A couple of horndog profile posts are one thing, but dozens of them one after the other aren't and I go scorched earth and delete all profile posts by said spamming asshats.

And I agree that the post requirements need to be increased, been saying that for years now to get rid of all the no post spammers.
Maybe we should go by how many likes recieved?
Much harder to spam then number of posts.
 
A couple of horndog profile posts are one thing, but dozens of them one after the other aren't and I go scorched earth and delete all profile posts by said spamming asshats.

And I agree that the post requirements need to be increased, been saying that for years now to get rid of all the no post spammers.
Well, I was so wrong about using likes. Spammers would just post a porn video and get them even easier than by commenting.
 
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