baconbaconpancakes
Tourist
But, better chances with a giant breed dog. That is why the weight minimum exists and no reason to stop there.
baconbaconpancakes
Tourist
A human male rectum is very stretchy and when people try to prepare for knots, they aren't tearing and healing tissue in the rectum either. It still hurts in the way I described. I use streching / desensitizing interchangeably.
When a dog is in heat and she has spent weeks preparing for sex, wouldn't she be as accommodating as she can be?
That is slow and steady. How do you think she feels when you pump it at the max of her comfort and then you pump it one more? It's discomfort / pain until she gets used to it and then it you pump it again. Stretching necessitates pushing limits and slower just keeps the pain lower. If your dog is showing nothing but pleasure her pain can't be proven but I can reason that it exists using my own experiences, knowledge of dogs, and working from there.
Pain and pleasure are not mutually exclusive so she may be feeling the full pleasure of sex too. Most of what I enjoy like being bred by huge dogs involves pain. A dog's muscle contractions and physical responses are involuntary so she will have them if she's being stimulated in the right way regardless of her other feelings. If a dog gets rubbed too vigorously on her clit (overstimulation) she would still respond physically and you might think she loves it until she shows displeasure like by moving away.
Dogs don't always show displeasure when they should because they have high pain tolerances and want to please their owner. When offered something they do like, the pleasure aspect, dogs are known to endure discomfort / pain. It's could be somewhat similar to baiting, except in this case sex is the bait and stretching is endured part. Check out training animals for sex if you haven't seen it.
I consider stretching dogs a gray area. A risk to be avoided by getting as large of a dog as possible. I won't call people abusive for doing it slowly and carefully but good luck getting a horny compromised zoophile to not make any mistakes over the weeks it might take to strech a dog.
Schamane82
Zooville Settler
But I can reason that it does not exist using my experiences, knowledge of dogs and working form there.
You see? If I use your style of reasoning I am right too. And we can do this all day long. Pressing your moral virtues on others and using the reasoning hack in combination of imagining all sorts of things that underline the reasoning Schtik.
I had a lot of female dogs over the years, and had Sex thousands of times with them big (Ovcharka 65kg) or small ( shepherd lab mix 35kg). And what I learned was, the tighter the fit was, the more orgasms and pleasure she had. You could feel her twitching inside, moaning and shivering with every orgasm. So I know from experience.
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Schamane82
Zooville Settler
You have it nailed down pretty good. That matches my experiences. When you are build girthier than average, I would recommend 40 kg and above.
baconbaconpancakes
Tourist
Another example, vets around me normally don't give pain meds after surgery. Dogs don't scream in pain afterwards and generally act okay but tired. It blows my mind how good dogs are at hiding and tolerating pain and also that vets don't think they need it knowing what surgery feels like. Relying on dogs to show pain has some serious flaws.
Rimadyl / carprofen is normally what they give. It is an anti-inflammatory like ibuprofen for people.
Rimadyl / carprofen is normally what they give. It is an anti-inflammatory like ibuprofen for people.
I wasn't asking you to trust me on this. I presented an argument. You didn't respond to it which is okay, we don't have to keep discussing it.
MashaSobaka
Esteemed Citizen of ZV
Because then the dog will be calmer and won't jumping with the freshly stitched wound.
baconbaconpancakes
Tourist
That's the best reason I've heard. Vets have told me dogs don't need it for their comfort but they'll give pain meds if I want them.
baconbaconpancakes
Tourist
All I'm asking is to look for giant breeds when picking a female dog if it isn't unaffordable and there isn't a big lifestyle incompatibility with the breed. That way there is amazing sex at a lower risk of not fitting or causing pain while stretching. That's not impossible right? Giant breeds have stronger vaginal muscles anyway.
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Schamane82
Zooville Settler
It is just in the beginning. Once you opened her up and you have sex with her on a regular basis ( at least 4 times a week) you don't have to do any stretching at all. I am a little girthier that average and I even had to stretch the big breeds a little. Female Dogs are having a vagina that is build to take an unerect penis with a bone inside, and later, hold it tight in when it is erect. So the vaginal walls are build to be strong and to be stretched by the male. I had enough dog dick in my but to know, how much pressure a male dog can build up. So, I get it, that people that are new to this are couches and all, don't get me wrong, it is better to be a little to couches than the other way around. But you can overthink it to much too and ruin your fun, you and your dog can have in the long run.
baconbaconpancakes
Tourist
You're right, the vagina where the knot is supposed to grow is designed to be stretched. However, the part inside (vaginovestibular junction) that pinches behind the knot to keep it in place is only designed for the tether and unerect penis to pass through, which is much thinner than an erect person. It is only natural for that part to get stretched during birth. That is where the tightness is felt when a dog is too small for a person and the stretchy vagina can't be reached without passing through that bottleneck. Not saying this was your thought process, but it is a common misconception when new zoos see a huge dog cock that they think "this is proof that I will fit"; they overlook the thin tether behind the knot.
Source: veteriankey.com
And Gabapentin after surgeries to mitigate the pain. At least in the U.S..
MashaSobaka
Esteemed Citizen of ZV
I am 1.7 wide, 35 kg is not a problem.
However, this is impossible to predict, as Floofy mentioned his experience, I also have a dog that is half the size (55->35 Kg) and yet wider.
A slight stretch is fine. The dog's vagina and ring are basically expanding because that's how it works. But you shouldn't do anything strong because it will cause pain.
If you are worried about your wide cock, look for a dog weighing at least 40 kg, with wider hips and who has had puppies once. Although the birth of puppies is not a guarantee of width.
A large penis is clearly a disadvantage in a female dog relationship.
I do not recommend the Great Dane. Many had problems with the size of the vagina (smaller than the size of the dog predicts) and the dog breed is very sensitive to diseases and pyometra.
However, this is impossible to predict, as Floofy mentioned his experience, I also have a dog that is half the size (55->35 Kg) and yet wider.
A slight stretch is fine. The dog's vagina and ring are basically expanding because that's how it works. But you shouldn't do anything strong because it will cause pain.
If you are worried about your wide cock, look for a dog weighing at least 40 kg, with wider hips and who has had puppies once. Although the birth of puppies is not a guarantee of width.
A large penis is clearly a disadvantage in a female dog relationship.
I do not recommend the Great Dane. Many had problems with the size of the vagina (smaller than the size of the dog predicts) and the dog breed is very sensitive to diseases and pyometra.
Schamane82
Zooville Settler
When a bitch had sex with a male dog several times she is stretched more than before and sex was possible afterwards. So, yes. The part you are talking about is getting stretched too. These are the reports of guys from the german forum. They had young bitches, and when they got in heat, they gave them a pill, so she did not get pregnant and let her have fun with male dogs and afterwards, they where wide enough.
MashaSobaka
Esteemed Citizen of ZV
Congrats. This is why I left the Telegram groups and the groups in my own country. Fucking retards.
nekdoneco123
Esteemed Citizen of ZV
and that strikes you as in any way a normal thing to do?
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So what is the ultimate point of breeding dogs with no benefit of pregnancy and puppies? To make them better lovers to humans? I mean, I think for me, I’m just going to work with my girl and see where that takes us. I don’t want a ton of dogs running a train on her.
Schamane82
Zooville Settler
Why do you think that? I just told what other guys did. Where did I say that it is a normal way to do?
My point was just, that bitches are getting stretched from sex with male dogs.
I only told , that I knew guys who told me, what their experience was.
The judging, weather it is good or bad is coming only from you.
That means, you are only judging me on your interpretation what I think about this.
And it is only a interpretation or straight fantasy, because I did not mention my stands on that anywhere here.
It is astounding how many people are making up things about what you think and commenting then on their fantasy.
It is like, they are capable of mind reading.
nekdoneco123
Esteemed Citizen of ZV
i didn't pass any judgment.
i asked you if that practice strikes you as in any way normal. it's not something i'd do or advise (and before you go off the rails again about context that isn't there, i'm not insinuating you are advising it) others to do... not for "getting her prepared for sex with a human".
who does the mind reading exactly?
baconbaconpancakes
Tourist
The vagina sphincter does get stretched because the knot is being pulled on by the male dog, pushing the sphincter to open up. The female responds to that by tightening to hold the knot in place. The knot and shaft are past the vagina sphincter when they get erect so the male's penis can't be used as a guide for what human will fit. If the sphincter ever opened enough to fit the male dog's penis he would just pop out prematurely. Male dogs are rough and that would also desensitize her. It's not uncommon for bitches to yelp and scream during mating so for anyone considering this, don't do it. Evolution doesn't give a shit how the bitch feels after she's tied.
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MashaSobaka
Esteemed Citizen of ZV
This!
Schamane82
Zooville Settler
But the vagina bit your are talking about is getting stretched. I gave evidence.
You saying, it isn't, and giving interpretations disguised as evidence because you don't like the evidence.
I am just stating the obvious and you don't want to hear it and pull the evidence into a moral discussion with more interpretations that soothe your moral stands, not the facts.
And? What do you want to tell me with this?This!
I just stated the facts, what happened.
People here interpreting what I must think about this and starting to discuss what they think my moral stands on this topic are, and now comes the weird part, they start to project their made up version of me and and starting to argue with this fantasy version of me.
Totally away from the topic, that was
Human Penis Size and Bitches
and when you have a thicker than average Penis or a small dog, the odds are, that you can't have sex without some form of stretching.And not, I don't like the idea of stretching, have no Idea about it, because I never done this, don't listen to the guys with experience, and therefor pestering the experienced folks with made up moral arguments that ends only in a heated, of topic discussion.
MashaSobaka
Esteemed Citizen of ZV
I quoted baconpancakes.
baconbaconpancakes
Tourist
I said "for anyone considering this" meaning it's not about you if you're not considering to do that. Also you made a good point and caused me to amend what I said before.
Around here it's best to be clear what is not okay and why since there are new zoos who would love an easy solution to a "bitch too small" problem.
Around here it's best to be clear what is not okay and why since there are new zoos who would love an easy solution to a "bitch too small" problem.
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Schamane82
Zooville Settler
When you ask me
I saw that as judgement.
This question without judgement would have been : Do you think this practice is a normal Thing to do to widen a bitch?
And I would have answered: In my opinion, I wouldn't do this, because I would have concerns, when male dogs breed a bitch several times and you give her a hormone pill so she doesn't get pregnant, that the risk of her getting a pyometra ist to high. I have no data to back this, that is a concern I have regarding that practice.
Schamane82
Zooville Settler
I know. I saw. And what do you want to say with this comment? Are you agreeing with his statement or the opposite?
MashaSobaka
Esteemed Citizen of ZV
Agree. Mating is abuse. Dot.
Schamane82
Zooville Settler
I saw this play out in the german forum over the years. Some members made it to their obsession to be a moral preacher and thought a lot of circumstances in existence that weren't real for the most part or totally overstated. And with that, they than clubed the new people into submission, so that a normal discourse on most topics was made impossible. So many people left, even old longtime members and now the forum is deserted. And that is way worse, when new people are getting repelled. Guess where they are going then to learn? Porn sites?
Schamane82
Zooville Settler
I am not totally agreeing with that statement. Because I saw some mating over the years. And where is the issue when the bitch is presenting herself several times a day and can't get enough? Would it be that bad and gruesome like in baconpancakes interpretation, the bitches wouldn't do this. I think, that his interpretation is a bit of an overstatement to swing the moral club around to be right.
And most times you say something against someone with such ridged believes they than swing the " So, you are for rape than and a sadist?" club to beat everyone down to show on what high moral ground they are standing.
MashaSobaka
Esteemed Citizen of ZV
Dot.