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Lordakurei

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So I am not new to the zoo lifestyle. I am slightly concerned that after x amount of time of breeding my bitch she sort of shows signs of being pregnant. I.e. her teats/breaststroke are getting larger. I finish inside her 99% of the time. I worry someone in my close circle may question the fact that she is showing pregnancy signs but is not pregnant. They know I keep her away from other dogs during her heat cycle. Any advice would be appreciated.
 
Lordakurei said:
What I'm worried about is I am the only mammal finishing inside her
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It can happen even if you didn't do anything. If they question how the dog is pregnant, it's just what we mentioned above.
You don't have to take her to the vet, but if you're concerned, I would give it a break for a little bit.
 
Read up on false pregnancy online if you need some more believable excuse.
 
Others have said as much, but just in case anyone else reading this doesn't know, a human can't get a dog pregnant, no matter how hard they try.
When a bitch is in estrus "in season", "heat", etc her hormones will make her body behave as though she were pregnant; behavioral changes like nesting as well as physiological changes (mammaries swelling, etc) are common after an estrus cycle (commonly 2 months after). It's a normal reaction to the hormonal changes.
 
egoldstein said:
Others have said as much, but just in case anyone else reading this doesn't know, a human can't get a dog pregnant, no matter how hard they try.
When a bitch is in estrus "in season", "heat", etc her hormones will make her body behave as though she were pregnant; behavioral changes like nesting as well as physiological changes (mammaries swelling, etc) are common after an estrus cycle (commonly 2 months after). It's a normal reaction to the hormonal changes.
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I understand that. But when she is out of heat we do it as well. I just don't need anything weird to come up over dinner conversations that is all. I'm probably being paranoid and I apologize if it seems like I am not paying attention to responses. Just trying to make sure our secret liason does not get messed up because I decided to mate and finish the way nature intended. Lol
 
Lordakurei said:
I understand that. But when she is out of heat we do it as well. I just don't need anything weird to come up over dinner conversations that is all. I'm probably being paranoid and I apologize if it seems like I am not paying attention to responses. Just trying to make sure our secret liason does not get messed up because I decided to mate and finish the way nature intended. Lol
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There's no need to worry. My mate had a big vulva also naturally people thought she was in heat. I was like nope that's all natural
 
Also, you do not need to "know what or why it happens". It is mire suspicious than plainly saying it is just as odd to you as for the one asking, "but yes. I am sure she is not pregnant cause no dogs around, so I'd be surprised if we have puppies"

If someone asks again, yes, you talked with the vet or some other owners and, looks like it is usual "fake pregnancy or something. She may even have some milk and do silly things, but It will pass"
 
She's not pregnant mating with dogs can cause them to show symptoms of pregnancy because they get into the mindset that they are being mated which triggers something in their bodies and brain that starts a false cycle. That's putting it simply talk to a professional for a more more detailed explanation cause I don't have one.
 
Thank you for the replies. Unfortunately this person is semi close to me and the dog so they are aware of certain stuff. I appreciate the advice. Guess I'll stick to the I have no idea defense. Thank everyone.
 
Lordakurei said:
Thank you for the replies. Unfortunately this person is semi close to me and the dog so they are aware of certain stuff. I appreciate the advice. Guess I'll stick to the I have no idea defense. Thank everyone.
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I get the paranoia.
If they're aware that there's some sex stuff going on, but nobody is harmed, I'm not sure I am fully understanding the situation. I think for most the fear is being found out, but I get the impression that isn't the risk here, but rather having your actions be blamed for what seems like typical hormonal changes. Any chance you can explain a bit more clearly without getting into identifying details?
 
^---- That.---^

It actually has nothing to do with them being mated or phisically stimulated. Most female owners who would never think of even touch them, routinarily go through that.
Female hormones drop too suddenly, body reponds with "doh. I got pregnant"

Just... avoid asking the vet with others around, cause the most obvious (even if non 100% real) answer is "if she gets that often and it bothers you, we can easily solve by spaying her"
Then you will need an explanation (to the close ones) of why you are unwilling.
 
Goattobeloved said:
^---- That.---^

It actually has nothing to do with them being mated or phisically stimulated. Most female owners who would never think of even touch them routinarily go through that.
Female hormones drop too suddenly, body reponds with "doh. I got pregnant"

Just... avoid asking the vet with others around, cause the most obvious (even if non 100% real) answer is "if she gets that often and it bothers you, we can easily solve by spaying her"
Then you will need an explanation (to the close ones) of why not you are willing.
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Nahhh just say it's her body we don't need to mutilate her
 
Reconscope said:
Nahhh just say it's her body we don't need to mutilate her
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That doesn't solve any of the logical reasons though, doesn't even address the illogical ones either.
Edit: There are perfectly logical and rational reasons to neuter. Anyone who thinks otherwise, kindly start a new thread and tag me, I'll come discuss it.
 
Ok here's the deal. For those that haven't picked up on the clues. I fuck my bItch regularly. I cum inside her everytime. But as of late she seems to be showing signs of pregnancy i.e bigger tips and nipples. She has not been bred with any other mammal. Someone close wants to know why she seems pregnant but is not pregnant. My overall concern is someone e finding out about our illicit affair. To be fair I am paranoid about someone finding out, but for now I can play it off.
 
Lordakurei said:
Ok here's the deal. For those that haven't picked up on the clues. I fuck my bItch regularly. I cum inside her everytime. But as of late she seems to be showing signs of pregnancy i.e bigger tips and nipples. She has not been bred with any other mammal. Someone close wants to know why she seems pregnant but is not pregnant. My overall concern is someone e finding out about our illicit affair. To be fair I am paranoid about someone finding out, but for now I can play it off.
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Ok, seems easy.

They ask, so yes. You looked for an answer. So you asked around other owners/vet and told you it is fake pregnancy and is quite usual in dogs, horses...

If they want, ask other non spayed female dog owners, they will tell them they possibly have the same issue every now and then.

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And NO, do not make a point in justifying it. It has not been you, you are just as curious as them.

False Pregnancy or Pseudopregnancy in Dogs | VCA Animal Hospitals

False pregnancy refers to a display of maternal behaviors combined with the physical signs of pregnancy following estrus in unspayed female dogs that are not actually pregnant. Signs include mammary gland enlargement with or without the production of milk, lethargy, periodic vomiting, and fluid...
vcahospitals.com vcahospitals.com

firstvet.com

Symptoms and Treatment of False Pregnancy in Dogs

False pregnancy is when a female dog who is not pregnant starts to show signs of pregnancy. Read more about the signs, diagnosis, and treatment of false pregnancy here.
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Lordakurei said:
Ok here's the deal. For those that haven't picked up on the clues. I fuck my bItch regularly. I cum inside her everytime. But as of late she seems to be showing signs of pregnancy i.e bigger tips and nipples. She has not been bred with any other mammal. Someone close wants to know why she seems pregnant but is not pregnant. My overall concern is someone e finding out about our illicit affair. To be fair I am paranoid about someone finding out, but for now I can play it off.
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I thought there might be more at play. Simple, "She's not pregnant, that's just normal hormones". If they suggest there's something wrong with that and that if you were a "good owner" you'd "fix" her, I would point out that there are risks to surgery and that there are detrimental health effects that can be caused by neutering and that, if things change making neutering a benefit that outweighs the risk, you'll do so for her. But for now with the risks as they are you don't see where there's a benefit to neutering. To be most effective, I think one needs to become well informed on the topic, something that I think dogzoos should do anyhow beause the health of our companions is of utmost importance.
 
Just to keep things in perspective, every time a dog starts the pregnancy thing, it does have a toll on her phisical and emotional health.

If it happens once or twice, it is not a problem. If you find it happens every single time she gets in heat... You may have to consider solving it for her health, but no reason to even consider as of now.
 
To add to what @Goattobeloved said, with spaying, either the typical ovariohysterectomy where the ovaries are removed or an OSS where they are retained, it doesn't necessarily spell the end for the sexual part of the relationship as many bitches spayed later in life retain interest if they previously had positive encounters. As with any surgical procedure, there are risks and no guarantees, which is why it's important to weigh risks pro and con and make an informed decision.
 
pes said:
Does OSS actually prevent false pregnancy? Since the hormone producing parts are not removed.
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I'm not a vet, but I believe with an OSS pseudopregnancy is still a possibility. I had gotten a bit off topic and was speaking generally about spay/OSS and not in relation to pseudopregnancy. Thank you for pointing that out.
 
This thread seems very circular in the sense the same question keeps being asked with the same very valid answer given. As many others have said at this point an intact bitch will often have a false pregnancy - it is very, VERY common. Even a bitch not taking dick that is intact will likely have a false pregancy or two over her life. You simply tell this other person you've spoken to a vet and they think its a false pregancy which is very common. Problem solved.

One thing that is important to keep in mind that doesn't get said very often is the fact the vast majority of people out there are absolutely not thinking what you or I or any of us as zoos are thinking. Forums like this act as great echo chambers but the reality is the majority of people out there do not even consider sex with animals as any realistic possibility or something that people regularly choose to engage in. Your best bet is to just get over whatever internal guilt you are struggling with and stick to the facts... intact bitches are very prone to going through phantom preganancies.
 
BitchLicker said:
This thread seems very circular in the sense the same question keeps being asked with the same very valid answer given. As many others have said at this point an intact bitch will often have a false pregnancy - it is very, VERY common. Even a bitch not taking dick that is intact will likely have a false pregancy or two over her life. You simply tell this other person you've spoken to a vet and they think its a false pregancy which is very common. Problem solved.

One thing that is important to keep in mind that doesn't get said very often is the fact the vast majority of people out there are absolutely not thinking what you or I or any of us as zoos are thinking. Forums like this act as great echo chambers but the reality is the majority of people out there do not even consider sex with animals as any realistic possibility or something that people regularly choose to engage in. Your best bet is to just get over whatever internal guilt you are struggling with and stick to the facts... intact bitches are very prone to going through phantom preganancies.
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He doesn't seem to care. I guess he's looking for another answer that works with him.
 
pes said:
Does OSS actually prevent false pregnancy? Since the hormone producing parts are not removed.
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I think the lack of Uterus does limit the false pregnancy triggers, as one of the advantages of OSS is reduced mammary tumours. My girl had 3 normal heats before OSS in the normal heats she showed signs of pseudo pregnancy. The first heat after OSS has not shown sign of pseudo pregnancy.

I suspect it is still possible but as there is no uterus to trigger progesterone production I am guessing there is a reduced number plus the lower cases of mammary tumours seems to indicate lower pregnancy hormone levels.
 
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