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Fake User Awareness Thread

Goattobeloved said:
It all boils down to not giving anyone information that could put you in danger.

Nothing bad in an old fashioned face to face meeting at a public coffee shop where you can talk face to face (normal conversations) and get a gut feeling of the other person.

Need an id photo so you can recognize for the meeting? give one that is already on the net, and literally anyone could have grabbed from Google. It is you in the photo, but no proof you were the user sending it.

Now, if you start sending images of yourself doing ilegal things to prove you are legit, yes. You *will* most likely be blackmailed sooner or later.
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well blackmail is so much more illegal than anything real people want to do here and they never know who they are blackmailing or what people have. trying to extort a couple bucks or doxxing somebody for the internet thrill isnt really worth their life. sure some people are stupid like that but im not going to rescue them they might just listen and help themselves. it really is just a penis after all the animals arent in real danger so people have to figure out what they value most about life because people who enjoy living it with animals dont want to hurt anybody.
 
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widget46 said:
well blackmail is so much more illegal than anything real people want to do here and they never know who they are blackmailing or what people have. trying to extort a couple bucks or doxxing somebody for the internet thrill isnt really worth their life. sure some people are stupid like that but im not going to rescue them they might just listen and help themselves. it really is just a penis after all the animals arent in real danger so people have to figure out what they value most about life because people who enjoy living it with animals dont want to hurt anybody.
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Thing being at least people is at least aware of the possible dangers. Whatever they do from that point, is up to them.

If, while showing examples, some of the obvious fakes can be weeded out, that is fine too.

Blacmailers, I doubt they think it can go wrong, and to be honest, I doubt people gullible enough to volunteer endangering information are actually mafia cappos or warlords who will be able to drop a horse head on the blackmailers bed ?
 
Goattobeloved said:
I doubt people gullible enough to volunteer endangering information are actually mafia cappos or warlords who will be able to drop a horse head on the blackmailers bed ?
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they are not the ones extortionists have to worry about. theres a lot of people who are not really gullible, they just dont care. they dont care about their own safety imagine what they can do to somebody and anyone can have crazy angry families and friends or anyone afraid it might happen to them too.
besides authorities and anyone else can pretend to be gullible to catch extortionists in stings no differently than some of the bad ones do stings on animal sex.
if extortionists are seeing this i will let them know it doesnt work and they should hope it doesnt work because penalties are much worse if they get anything out of it. use that to your advantage.
our shared information can really be safe with cooperation and justice served otherwise. i like to think people are smarter than they make themselves out to be even if they think to use being smart for no good like lying :)
 
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noah28 said:
from the "girls what about your ass" thread.


catfish.
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Before I ask my question, I want to say that it turns out to be catfish all the time. And it's SUPER common here and other places. And most people are aware of that.

So, having said that, my question is this.....is it because the pictures are the same as those on other sites Alone that convinces you they are fake? Or is there other things that when added to that make you think they are?

I ask because I don't think it's an insane idea to think that a picture anywhere on the internet and here is definitive proof it's not the same person, but for me, personally, I need a 3rd ingredient to make me hit the eject button. Something like maybe the age and location claims are all over the place randomly.

Because I don't think the same picture here and somewhere else is a definitive measuring stick. If they are willing to post here, I don't find it a crazy idea that they might post elsewhere too, in a different context. To my mind, I need a thrid thing that doesn't fit with the other 2 things in harmony to make the fake call.

To be clear, I'm NOT saying you have it wrong, I'm asking if there is anything else other than the 2 pics being in different locations that makes you decide it's fake? And acknowledging that it often IS fake.
 
noah28 said:
I'd say it makes me 99.99% sure, though I suppose technically that same photo they're posting that they themselves made, could also have been leaked onto the internet and end up amongst a bunch of other similar pics, but it's extremely unlikely IMO.
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I agree. And most times it's exactly that, a fake. And that's why I asked about it in the way I did.

And, I had TWO main reasons for even asking.

1.) It's plausible the person just either posted to the other place also, or someone else make the other post after stealing it.

2.) If #1 is true, posting it in the manner that is was here *might* also be very close to the line on doxxing someone without even intending to do so. Because people do stupid shit like bleed personal information in OTHER places, and even here because it's common enough to not think that idea all the way through.
 
For me, what makes me hit the button, is claiming something that is not yours. Like this one:
noah28 said:
from the "girls what about your ass" thread.


catfish.
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I don't care if they are catfish or not. It is not our job to shield people from that. This person however, claimed a pic that is obviously not them.

Going to check out the other one. BTW, I hate links. If the picture does not immediately show up, I will not search for it.

Edit: that was a damn good link. It had everything we needed.
 
jellybean56 said:
Hey guys,

So I've had a couple responses to my ads in the meet up section now, that have been fakes looking to speak to me, get to know me / meet me for whatever reason, but it is not because they are genuine owners. They are blatantly fake. I've just had another contact me today who conveniently owns one of each animal that I've been specifically requesting in the meet up section (I'm a girl), and who is also conveniently the same heritage me, which I've posted in a couple discussions on this forum where it comes up in topic, they're also a Lurker... go figure. So I think starting a thread where we can all post the usernames of fake or very suspicious accounts on here would be a good safety measure, if anyone has been contacted by someone & they're unsure of them, they can check this thread to see if anyone has any trouble with them or not. Two accounts I can confidently say are fake are K9Taboo and esmee._x . I simply don't respond to them.
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I was talking to k9taboo and she never replied. Not sure what the deal was. But anyway there's a user on here that I knew in real life and she came onto me at work then broke my heart. Literally dumped me for no reason. She was all into me when I told her my sexual interests in beastiality and she told me hers, but then just wigged out on me after the first date. I found out she's a user here on the site after I knew her in person, so you guys reading this should also be careful of...how do I say "crazies" in a nice way? This girl will play with your heart and emotions to try and get sex then leave you without saying anything...the weirdest thing. Then she setup meets with guys for dog sex and doesn't show. This girls big trouble guys. Be careful
 
I joined this website to be part of the zoo community. I am still new to this website, although 20 years experience in bestiality , but to stay and enjoy ZooVille and meet like-minded people, but it would be a good idea to see who the Fake users are and their profiles posted so I don't have to be lured into one of their tricks...
 
jellybean56 said:
I think its just a question of well why do you need to move to another messaging service away from the website where anonymity is comprised? Its simply suspicious. It doesn't mean you're fake, theres just no real reason for it.
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Thank you Outdoor for asking and jelly for anwsering. I'm also very new here and the more i see the more scared i get to be here.
 
Oldman said:
For me, what makes me hit the button, is claiming something that is not yours. Like this one:

I don't care if they are catfish or not. It is not our job to shield people from that. This person however, claimed a pic that is obviously not them.

Going to check out the other one. BTW, I hate links. If the picture does not immediately show up, I will not search for it.

Edit: that was a damn good link. It had everything we needed.
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I recently had someone on here whom I thought had a reliable/consistent post history, had the right interactions on the site, and has been a member for a few years. So we chatted a bit and then moved onto Kik. I know. We're advised to keep the communication on the site, but other messaging apps are so much easier to use, especially since you get push notifications. Anyway, I felt comfortable enough chatting with him on there. We were exchanging pics and it became super obvious that he was lying when he sent me a few pictures that he claimed he had taken right then in the moment, then I quickly did a reverse image search and found the photos on this and other sites. Clearly, he didn't snap the pics right then and send them to me, if they were already online. Instant red flag.
 
boi2bmounted said:
I recently had someone on here whom I thought had a reliable/consistent post history, had the right interactions on the site, and has been a member for a few years. So we chatted a bit and then moved onto Kik. I know. We're advised to keep the communication on the site, but other messaging apps are so much easier to use, especially since you get push notifications. Anyway, I felt comfortable enough chatting with him on there. We were exchanging pics and it became super obvious that he was lying when he sent me a few pictures that he claimed he had taken right then in the moment, then I quickly did a reverse image search and found the photos on this and other sites. Clearly, he didn't snap the pics right then and send them to me, if they were already online. Instant red flag.
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I think it's important to say that because it's the internet, no matter what, you're never going to be 100% certain until the exact moment.

Looking at what you wrote, what I see says you did all you really can do to weed out the fakes, flakes, and losers. And you still got a flake, so it's important to point out what I first said, if for no other reason than so that everyone realizes there isn't any 100% way. And, there really isn't a cure for that because....internet.

What everyone over time has been saying are simply ways to improve the odds you aren't wasting your time. I feel for you. You did it all by the book and you still got a flake and that really is a bad deal.

That being said, doing the things you did, most times, and in 90% or higher of instances, they weed out WAY earlier. It's important to note that sometimes in life, you do all the right things and you still lose.

Such and such disease might be 99.9% survivable and that's great news......unless YOU are the .1% that dies. And, that's sort of how most of life works. If you could take 99.9% odds into a casino, wouldn't you take that? Hells, yes, all day every day. But, it's important to remember that there does still exist the possibility to lose.

Improved odds work IN your favor but you don't have 100% protection in almost any instance ever.

Another thought too, is that scammers and flakes read these threads too, and EVERY counter to them we post, they learn a little bit about the defenses and they adjust their tactics too.
 
Dogdaddy69 said:
I think it's important to say that because it's the internet, no matter what, you're never going to be 100% certain until the exact moment.

Looking at what you wrote, what I see says you did all you really can do to weed out the fakes, flakes, and losers. And you still got a flake, so it's important to point out what I first said, if for no other reason than so that everyone realizes there isn't any 100% way. And, there really isn't a cure for that because....internet.

What everyone over time has been saying are simply ways to improve the odds you aren't wasting your time. I feel for you. You did it all by the book and you still got a flake and that really is a bad deal.

That being said, doing the things you did, most times, and in 90% or higher of instances, they weed out WAY earlier. It's important to note that sometimes in life, you do all the right things and you still lose.

Such and such disease might be 99.9% survivable and that's great news......unless YOU are the .1% that dies. And, that's sort of how most of life works. If you could take 99.9% odds into a casino, wouldn't you take that? Hells, yes, all day every day. But, it's important to remember that there does still exist the possibility to lose.

Improved odds work IN your favor but you don't have 100% protection in almost any instance ever.

Another thought too, is that scammers and flakes read these threads too, and EVERY counter to them we post, they learn a little bit about the defenses and they adjust their tactics too.
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Yep. Agreed. The odds may be good but never certain. You also bring up a good point that the fakes themselves are among us. I’ve also thought on the fact that they can read our posts and learn to disguise themselves better over time. Heck, the guy I’m talking about may very well be reading this post now. If anything I hope he realizes I’m not as gullible as he was counting on, and maybe he’ll just go and waste someone else’s time.

As a user of the site, and genuinely interested in meeting likeminded people, I’ve found a lot of very helpful posts myself. At first it was about the porn for me, and it drew me in for those personal reasons. But as I’m seeing other discussions that take place, I’m really appreciating the value of other users’ comments and feedback. It really reveals for me a different layer of common thinking and common interest that others have and I’ve not been able to share before finding ZV. In a few words, it makes the whole subject matter seem much less isolated and makes me feel much less alone.
 
boi2bmounted said:
Yep. Agreed. The odds may be good but never certain. You also bring up a good point that the fakes themselves are among us. I’ve also thought on the fact that they can read our posts and learn to disguise themselves better over time. Heck, the guy I’m talking about may very well be reading this post now. If anything I hope he realizes I’m not as gullible as he was counting on, and maybe he’ll just go and waste someone else’s time.

As a user of the site, and genuinely interested in meeting likeminded people, I’ve found a lot of very helpful posts myself. At first it was about the porn for me, and it drew me in for those personal reasons. But as I’m seeing other discussions that take place, I’m really appreciating the value of other users’ comments and feedback. It really reveals for me a different layer of common thinking and common interest that others have and I’ve not been able to share before finding ZV. In a few words, it makes the whole subject matter seem much less isolated and makes me feel much less alone.
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Agreed.

For what it's worth, I think you'll be fine here. Yes, a less than stellar experience that you posted about, but, it's one and there will be more.

I can't find a single thing in anything you said that makes me think you have any wrong-headed ideas in this. I almost never post anything regarding these kinds of things, but, I have a pretty good handle on who is likely to be successful and who is unlikely to ever have any at all, because it always leads to some bickering, and overall, that's counter-productive to everyone.

I know of several new accounts here that have had meets within a month of joining here (including one just last night) and others that have been here for years and can't ever seem to get a single meet. Without going into details, I'll just say that there are reasons why it happens this way.

Sometiems, the reasons for lack of success is the availability of others in your area, but, most times it isn't that.

I think you'll be fine.
 
Really great points Dogdaddy69 and boi2bmounted. I'll admit I feel a little jealous when I think of others who meet so soon, but the idea of opening myself to enormous risk for short term gain could upend my life. That's years of developed patience and vigilance and the work my life put to waste. It would be a terrible shame to throw that away. Staying focused on the long term is much healthier for my mental health in the long run anyway. I can't take the rapid fire chaos of managing that much risk all at once. Maybe it's just a sign that I'm getting old(er) ? but it's what works for me!

I feel frustrated when I think of how hard it is to feel connected through all the kevlar we put on so-to-speak, and, at the same time I'm so grateful to have a place where this connection is still possible. I'm a diversity-lover, so it's also wonderful to celebrate all the different personalities and their idiosyncrasies, even if there's occasional conflict. I'm not sure if everyone would agree with that. But that's me. I love life's weirdness. This forum opens the floor to all these different people and opportunity for conversation about things we can't talk about openly in public spaces. It just means so much. I think it's very valuable. We can learn more about ourselves, and to love ourselves even more through the acceptance you find here, and through the struggle of everything we're talking about now! I know it's all been said before but your comments just spoke to me ?.
 
Danbeast said:
Really great points Dogdaddy69 and boi2bmounted. I'll admit I feel a little jealous when I think of others who meet so soon, but the idea of opening myself to enormous risk for short term gain could upend my life. That's years of developed patience and vigilance and the work my life put to waste. It would be a terrible shame to throw that away. Staying focused on the long term is much healthier for my mental health in the long run anyway. I can't take the rapid fire chaos of managing that much risk all at once. Maybe it's just a sign that I'm getting old(er) ? but it's what works for me!

I feel frustrated when I think of how hard it is to feel connected through all the kevlar we put on so-to-speak, and, at the same time I'm so grateful to have a place where this connection is still possible. I'm a diversity-lover, so it's also wonderful to celebrate all the different personalities and their idiosyncrasies, even if there's occasional conflict. I'm not sure if everyone would agree with that. But that's me. I love life's weirdness. This forum opens the floor to all these different people and opportunity for conversation about things we can't talk about openly in public spaces. It just means so much. I think it's very valuable. We can learn more about ourselves, and to love ourselves even more through the acceptance you find here, and through the struggle of everything we're talking about now! I know it's all been said before but your comments just spoke to me ?.
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Good points.
And, it's always advisable to not push your comfortzone too far out. Only you really know where those boundries are.

As for what I said regarding time it takes to meet, if you want to meet.....the time was just a way to convey the real point, which is, most of the time, the success or lack of success in meeting lies with the person, not the "other" person. It does work both ways and you don't control everything, but, you do control you, and if other people can get meets in that amount of time, why not "you", any you, if that makes sense?

In my opinion, I think few people are willing to look in the mirror and ask that question because it's easier to look out and ask it.
 
Dogdaddy69 said:
Good points.
And, it's always advisable to not push your comfortzone too far out. Only you really know where those boundries are.
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This brings up an important thought. Listening to your gut. I can’t say how many times in my life (not necessarily having to do with zoo stuff) I’ve just had that “gut feeling” and it turned out to be true. Your body knows before you do and if something just ‘doesn’t feel right’, or as they say if it seems too good to be true, then it most likely is. Which brings me to my next point.

There have been times where I was in a situation, and I started to get little suspicions or perhaps not entirely sure that I was dealing with a safe encounter. I remember the feeling of desperately wanting the situation to be real or wishing the person on the other end was genuine. I could feel myself starting to ignore my intuitions and had to quickly rein my expectations back in. Reminding myself that it all seemed just a bit too good to be true, coupled with the holes beginning to emerge in their story, the safer bet was to hold back. As all of us know, the risks are not light. So if something doesn’t line up, never ignore that gut feeling.
 
boi2bmounted said:
This brings up an important thought. Listening to your gut. I can’t say how many times in my life (not necessarily having to do with zoo stuff) I’ve just had that “gut feeling” and it turned out to be true. Your body knows before you do and if something just ‘doesn’t feel right’, or as they say if it seems too good to be true, then it most likely is. Which brings me to my next point.

There have been times where I was in a situation, and I started to get little suspicions or perhaps not entirely sure that I was dealing with a safe encounter. I remember the feeling of desperately wanting the situation to be real or wishing the person on the other end was genuine. I could feel myself starting to ignore my intuitions and had to quickly rein my expectations back in. Reminding myself that it all seemed just a bit too good to be true, coupled with the holes beginning to emerge in their story, the safer bet was to hold back. As all of us know, the risks are not light. So if something doesn’t line up, never ignore that gut feeling.
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Very true. We have gut instinct for a reason. It's survival tool. Different things trigger it and it isn't always the thing you think it is at the time you get it.

I can't say I always follow it, but I never ignore it.
 
Dogdaddy69 said:
As for what I said regarding time it takes to meet, if you want to meet.....the time was just a way to convey the real point, which is, most of the time, the success or lack of success in meeting lies with the person, not the "other" person. It does work both ways and you don't control everything, but, you do control you, and if other people can get meets in that amount of time, why not "you", any you, if that makes sense?

In my opinion, I think few people are willing to look in the mirror and ask that question because it's easier to look out and ask it.
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Very true. Thanks for clarifying and I appreciate that little self-challenge.
 
Trying to meet someone through the internet anymore these days is a suicide shootout. You got a gun pointed at yourself and the stranger who also has a gun pointed at themselves and you. At any point at any time for any reason someone could snitch and its all over. I hate this but its how it is. Finding company on this site is possible but its a needle through a haystack. :pig_nervous:
 
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