Fake cum and rules

[pes]

Not many people have voted either way
too busy watching porn probably

I consider the poll to be secondary in the decision process here. It is more just a quick representation of the opinion in the thread.

Because this poll is not about what people want to see in porn. If it was, then it is very very likely that fake porn would overwhelmingly win. Because it come with the "supposedly" beautiful and definitely not underpaid, forced women actors which is what the majority of users here do want to see no matter what the cum looks like.

The question here is whether supporting fake porn and all the nasty stuff that comes with it on a zoo forum is moral and right to do or not.

 

[pes]

I don't see how you can put a rule in place warning of fake cum though, mores the pity!

Like this:

To clarify I am not asking for making posting of fake cum porn a violation of rules that must end in a ban of the user. The user may not actually know what the real thing looks like and just needs to be shown or told.

But I want the rules to state that fake cum porn will be removed and the user will be reminded not to post such content.
This would basically make it possible for us to report fake cum and have it removed from the website which is not possible with the current rules.

 

[Wasbitchpolly]

As long as the animals are not being abused I don’t really care ...but then again I don’t watch the crap anyway

 

[Ruben]

Fake cum is as harmless as it gets, so I voted no, although I am not interested in fake cum. But it's a good idea to label fake cum as fake so that people are not mislead.

 

[Oldman]

I will not remove videos with fake cum unless the subject is sedated or being mistreated like drugged, forcefully held down or tied. Those get removed quickly and a stern warning is given.

I do believe that the fake cum videos should stay and be called out so the people who don't know can learn. I remember seeing one video where you could even hear air between the forced splatter sprayed watery milk, the sound startled the horse a little, and his cock was so limp, the head was pointing down while the milk was coming out horizontally.

 

[ElectricSheep]

I don't really visit that side of the forum, every time I have it seemed inudated with those commercial horse and dog videos. It sounds like the mod team does a good job cleaning up material that violates site rules on abuse though.

I think its worth keeping them even though I don't like them now. There was a point in time where I didn't know and it was users on forums like this pointing out fakes that I came to learn. Maybe a flag system would be helpful, but not if it is a strain on the mods to enforce.

 

[Enjoy1966]

Really don't see the point in people posting fake photos full stop or photos and videos when it is so blunt the human has no connection and the animal is not enjoying the experience.

 

[pes]

I do believe that the fake cum videos should stay and be called out so the people who don't know can learn.

You only need about one or two threads aimed at showing the difference pinned up in the porn section for example. Keeping the fake porn in here is going to lead to a few unwanted effects.
1. It is supporting the creation of more of such videos. I have already seen amateur stuff a few times that used fake cum and shown a limp dog dick. (reported and removed).
2. The people (the fetishists) who do not care will have a reason to stay here since their favorite porn will stay here. If you have ever gone through a few of the fake or abusive or both threads, you saw the usual 35+ likes and 20+ praising comments followed by one comment calling out the fakeness/abusivness of the video. Do we want to support users like that?
3. The two reasons above will give another reason to commercial or even amateur porn producers to keep repeating these horrible practices.

Removing the content along with a thread dedicated to show the difference is still going to lead to people learning.
Usually removal takes at least a few hours so all the people who commented there along with the author will have a chance to read about it. Plus the author gets a message about the thread removed with an explanation as far as I know.

 

[pes]

Interesting progress on the vote results.

 

[Alpha Cat]

If it is fake horse cum shots then we should keep it. From what I have heard is that real horse cum shots are hard to come by.

 

[pes]

No we should not. Fake horse cum usually comes with the horse being drugged on top of the obvious lack of enjoyment on the side of the horse which is being used as a prop. Unfortunately sometimes you can see the limp penis and obviously fake cum but can not prove that the horse has been medically calmed down thus such video can not be removed despite being wrong. Fake cum removal would solve that.

 

[Silvervine]

I voted yes, but for me it wouldn't so much be a ban as an enforced tag.

Also as a note, I'd be willing to illustrate guides on what to look for in animals that can signal abuse, and include a snippet about fake cum. For example with dogs, I'd say "look for 'tight' facial features--the dog may look like he's smiling, but with rare exceptions, he's signalling that he's uncomfortable" and draw what bad body language would be. I'd need someone to help advise me on what to look for in horses, but that and time would probably be the only obstacles.

 

[caikgoch]

If it is fake horse cum shots then we should keep it. From what I have heard is that real horse cum shots are hard to come by.

Here's the exact problem with that. First, horses don't leave their dick hanging out. It would cause pain and interfere in the event of a sudden get away and sudden get aways are the primary function of horses. The horniest stallion atop the most willing mare will get off and look around in under a minute if he doesn't get it in. He'll cum, pull out , and walk away in under a minute if he does. Second, mare pussy is the absolutely softest, smoothest on the planet. Stallion dick is super sensitive to compensate. His primary stimulation is temperature. That's why it's so hard to jack one off. Rough handling of any kind is painful to him.

So why does a super powerful animal stand there for twenty minutes allowing some idiot to jerk and nibble on his exposed dick? Because he's drugged to the gills. Horses have a much more stable structure than humans because of their four point suspension. They can nap standing up. And they can be drugged for surgery and remain upright.

That's what going on in these vids. I don't care about the ethics of equal enjoyment because that is personal. I do care about the safety and welfare of all parties. Drugging a stallion to the point that his retractor muscle fails and his dick becomes numb is very dangerous for the horse. Sometimes the function never returns. The more times you do it, the greater the chance of permanent injury. That's why that kind of vid should be actively discouraged.

 

[Ookami]

Well, you're

Here's the exact problem with that. First, horses don't leave their dick hanging out. It would cause pain and interfere in the event of a sudden get away and sudden get aways are the primary function of horses. The horniest stallion atop the most willing mare will get off and look around in under a minute if he doesn't get it in. He'll cum, pull out , and walk away in under a minute if he does. Second, mare pussy is the absolutely softest, smoothest on the planet. Stallion dick is super sensitive to compensate. His primary stimulation is temperature. That's why it's so hard to jack one off. Rough handling of any kind is painful to him.

So why does a super powerful animal stand there for twenty minutes allowing some idiot to jerk and nibble on his exposed dick? Because he's drugged to the gills. Horses have a much more stable structure than humans because of their four point suspension. They can nap standing up. And they can be drugged for surgery and remain upright.

That's what going on in these vids. I don't care about the ethics of equal enjoyment because that is personal. I do care about the safety and welfare of all parties. Drugging a stallion to the point that his retractor muscle fails and his dick becomes numb is very dangerous for the horse. Sometimes the function never returns. The more times you do it, the greater the chance of permanent injury. That's why that kind of vid should be actively discouraged.

Well, you're talking with much conviction - but actually it doesn't has to be like you said - it's contrary to my experience, even if that is not especially broad. But the one time I was with a stallion he would have to be drugged hours before because I was with his owner for that time. He also dropped while I watched and did stay hard for more then a few minutes - actually I took quite some time to get him in my ass because the position was kinda awkward - nothing that would have made a good video XD - didn't get him to cum though. My point is that you simply assume the worst and state it as a fact - and it's just better to not write anything in that case. You should be sure in each case before attacking a specific video, not just leash out broadly like that. Also this whole thread is stupid in my opinion simply as limiting everything here to say proven zooish content just limits this community very sharply to the say 5% that are story-book good zoos and cuts out all those that are not abusers but are still more interested in the sexual aspect or maybe just want to watch something to get them off. Where in the world would it be a good thing to cut a small community in even smaller parts ? Nobody outside is gonna be impressed with the animal fuckers having a good sounding code of conduct. Hell, Nobody is impressed with the furries for crusading against zoos now.

 

[Ruben]

This thread is valuable, because you guys explain maltreatment in animal porn production, how to spot it and what the risks are. It makes sense to look for that in videos and photos and remove bad content. Fake cum isn't the problem though. It's guilty by association. Guilt by association is a fallacy not unknown to zoos.

Banning fake cum makes sense, if you mean to enforce genuine content though – like this is a raw nature documentary website and no place for fiction. Just be aware that a lot of porn is at least partly staged. Even nature documentaries are often scripted. Sometimes subjects are trained to tolerate certain disturbances that they usually would not. Sometimes bait is used.

 

[Backgrounder]

I personally don’t watch the porn as I find it contrived and unreal but if everyone stopped watching it it would eventually go away but most men on here don’t give a toss if it’s genuine or not just as long as they get a wank out of it

This is the sad part, they dont care if its genuine or if the animal or performer is enjoying themselves, they just want to get off regardless iof the fact that i's all just smoke and mirrors. These are same guys who watch commercial porn where you can see thst the girls eyes are dead and thinking about the paycheck, no enthusiasm just going through the motions, its gross.

I say tag fakes if we can't prohibit it.

 

[caikgoch]

Well, you're

Well, you're talking with much conviction - but actually it doesn't has to be like you said - it's contrary to my experience, even if that is not especially broad. But the one time I was with a stallion he would have to be drugged hours before because I was with his owner for that time. He also dropped while I watched and did stay hard for more then a few minutes - actually I took quite some time to get him in my ass because the position was kinda awkward - nothing that would have made a good video XD - didn't get him to cum though. My point is that you simply assume the worst and state it as a fact - and it's just better to not write anything in that case. You should be sure in each case before attacking a specific video, not just leash out broadly like that. Also this whole thread is stupid in my opinion simply as limiting everything here to say proven zooish content just limits this community very sharply to the say 5% that are story-book good zoos and cuts out all those that are not abusers but are still more interested in the sexual aspect or maybe just want to watch something to get them off. Where in the world would it be a good thing to cut a small community in even smaller parts ? Nobody outside is gonna be impressed with the animal fuckers having a good sounding code of conduct. Hell, Nobody is impressed with the furries for crusading against zoos now.

Go back and compare both of our posts. I never said that a stallion wouldn't stay hard for any length of time. If you keep sexually stimulating him, he'll keep the erection. I was speaking of the obviously ignorant abusing an obviously limp and uninterested horse.

And you might want to consider moving to a fully fetish based site if you can't even understand what is being said here. The single legitimate cause that the antis have to hold against us is animal abuse. The few victories that we have won have been requiring proof of abuse before prosecution. So no, we aren't going to gleefully accept proven abuse to facilitate your fantasies.

BTW, I have more than a decade of experience with the same stallion as my sole sex partner so I know a little bit about how stallions work. I hope you get one to complete in you some day. The most amazing parts aren't visible from the outside.

@Ruben, I write fiction but I draw the line at exactly the same place that SCOTUS does, when real live victims happen.

 

[Backgrounder]

Well, you're

Well, you're talking with much conviction - but actually it doesn't has to be like you said - it's contrary to my experience, even if that is not especially broad. But the one time I was with a stallion he would have to be drugged hours before because I was with his owner for that time. He also dropped while I watched and did stay hard for more then a few minutes - actually I took quite some time to get him in my ass because the position was kinda awkward - nothing that would have made a good video XD - didn't get him to cum though. My point is that you simply assume the worst and state it as a fact - and it's just better to not write anything in that case. You should be sure in each case before attacking a specific video, not just leash out broadly like that. Also this whole thread is stupid in my opinion simply as limiting everything here to say proven zooish content just limits this community very sharply to the say 5% that are story-book good zoos and cuts out all those that are not abusers but are still more interested in the sexual aspect or maybe just want to watch something to get them off. Where in the world would it be a good thing to cut a small community in even smaller parts ? Nobody outside is gonna be impressed with the animal fuckers having a good sounding code of conduct. Hell, Nobody is impressed with the furries for crusading against zoos now.

Frankly, I would welcome cutting the community into even smaller parts by removing all the dildogging and non active horses content, because I dont approve of animal exploitation and abuse, period, full stop. If it meant losing members who approve and come here solely for that content, all the better.

If the animal is not actively participating, then its garbage.

 

[Ookami]

Go back and compare both of our posts. I never said that a stallion wouldn't stay hard for any length of time. If you keep sexually stimulating him, he'll keep the erection. I was speaking of the obviously ignorant abusing an obviously limp and uninterested horse.

And you might want to consider moving to a fully fetish based site if you can't even understand what is being said here. The single legitimate cause that the antis have to hold against us is animal abuse. The few victories that we have won have been requiring proof of abuse before prosecution. So no, we aren't going to gleefully accept proven abuse to facilitate your fantasies.

BTW, I have more than a decade of experience with the same stallion as my sole sex partner so I know a little bit about how stallions work. I hope you get one to complete in you some day. The most amazing parts aren't visible from the outside.

@Ruben, I write fiction but I draw the line at exactly the same place that SCOTUS does, when real live victims happen.

Funny that you should say I didn't understand what you've said when the content of my post was exactly that you shouldn't assume abuse only because "a stallion doesn't stay hard more than a minute or so". I never did say abuse should be tolerated. Also I didn't say anything about liking that kind of material either - so congratulations on needlessly attacking myself personally.

 

[Ookami]

Frankly, I would welcome cutting the community into even smaller parts by removing all the dildogging and non active horses content, because I dont approve of animal exploitation and abuse, period, full stop. If it meant losing members who approve and come here solely for that content, all the better.

If the animal is not actively participating, then its garbage.

Yeah - why don't you just have a list of some few likeminded contacts then but instead are on an online forum that pretty much took over the old members of beastforum? (at least those to be active enough to get redirected here at the end) Again - personally dildogging doesn't give me too much - had another zoo I was in a relationship in once dildog me and shove a shepherds knot into me after he didn't tie me and another one with a chow, never did that only by myself. But calling that abuse just because you don't like it is clearly another case of just assuming the worst. Dogs that get used in that way don't show any signs of being scared, in pain, whatever - and don't show more signs of enjoyment than those that are tied to a bitch. It's not just porn movies that do stuff like that, also fellow zoos that do love their animals and consider them more than toys to satisfy their urges or a money printing machine and zoos that would resent being called abusers by someone on the net that doesn't know anything about their relationships to animals.

 

[pes]

Also this whole thread is stupid in my opinion simply as limiting everything here to say proven zooish content just limits this community very sharply to the say 5%

Lets repeat the purpose of this thread:
"To clarify I am not asking for making posting of fake cum porn a violation of rules that must end in a ban of the user. The user may not actually know what the real thing looks like and just needs to be shown or told. But I want the rules to state that fake cum porn will be removed and the user will be reminded not to post such content."
Notice that it does not say that anybody will be banned from using the forum.

This is not limiting the community to 5% of users. Everybody is absolutely free to stay on the forum as long as they want. They will just see fake cum less often and will be discouraged from posting it. Considering that fake cum porn does not get posted very often anyway, it will have negligible effect on the number of people using the forum. All other porn is not affected by this thus there is plenty to watch.
This thread also does not imply any other rules than fake cum removal, all other things people here said they do not like are not part of the fake cum discussion.

 

[Wasbitchpolly]

Why not let people choose to watch it or not

 

[caikgoch]

Why not let people choose to watch it or not

I do care about the safety and welfare of all parties. Drugging a stallion to the point that his retractor muscle fails and his dick becomes numb is very dangerous for the horse. Sometimes the function never returns. The more times you do it, the greater the chance of permanent injury. That's why that kind of vid should be actively discouraged.

And drugging the stallion is necessary to create the situation where fake cum is needed / can be used. If you were talking about preloading your own pussy with fake cum so it would gush out as the active stallion thrust into you, I would have no problems at all. But I have never seen or heard of that scenario happening.

 

[pes]

And drugging the stallion is necessary to create the situation where fake cum is needed / can be used. If you were talking about preloading your own pussy with fake cum so it would gush out as the active stallion thrust into you, I would have no problems at all. But I have never seen or heard of that scenario happening.

It is actually common in normal porn. The guys providing extra cum are called juicers. Commercial porn is just fake no matter where you look.

 

[pes]

Why not let people choose to watch it or not

The reasons why supporting fake porn is wrong are all in this thread. Read through it, there is no point in repeating it again.

 

[pes]

@ZTHorse @FloofyNewfie @dogluver101 This thread has been here for a while now and I guess all perspectives have been expressed. Can we get an official admin/mod response to the topic now? Thank you.

 

[Wasbitchpolly]

The reasons why supporting fake porn is wrong are all in this thread. Read through it, there is no point in repeating it again.

Read it all and while not supporting animal abuse support for a ban or warning is lukewarm at best

 

[ZTHorse]

To clarify I am not asking for making posting of fake cum porn a violation of rules that must end in a ban of the user. The user may not actually know what the real thing looks like and just needs to be shown or told.

But I want the rules to state that fake cum porn will be removed and the user will be reminded not to post such content.
This would basically make it possible for us to report fake cum and have it removed from the website which is not possible with the current rules.

Ive looked over the thread and believe although fake cum is cheesy and distasteful, it is allowed so long as the animal involved isnt drugged or abused.

Alot of fake horse cum shots are just the actoress holding a tube on the side of his cock while someone presses an injector to spray lube around.

Its cheesy and distastful but it isnt harming the animals involved.

It is allowed.

 

[pes]

I expected a result like this unfortunately.
So I am going to ask everybody here who wishes not to see fake cum to do this if you see one:
1. Kindly remind the author of the thread to not post fake porn and explain the difference to them. Use youtube semen collection videos to prove your point.
2. Report the thread. While moderators will not likely be able to remove it because of the fake cum itself, another pair of eyes may spot something else wrong with the video an remove it as a result. Also if a higher authority like a mod explains what fake cum is to the author, it may have greater effect.

Considering that fake cum does not get posted very often anyway, this is not going to add unimaginable amounts of extra work for the mods in any way, but it is going to make them aware in the process.
Thanks.

 

[pes]

From this point on discussion of this topic has no point and I am unwatching this thread.
Thank you for your participation.
The first post has been updated with the resolution.