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Difference between Zoophilist and Beastality?

You are Zoosexual if you are sexually attracted to other species whether you act on that attraction or not.

It's funny how we now have shuffled all definitions around.
Bestiality seems to have remained the same, but Zoophilia and Zoosexuality seem to have swapped places.

I'd like to quote Wikipedia again on this subject:

"Terminology
General
Three key terms commonly used in regards to the subject — zoophilia, bestiality, and zoosexuality — are often used somewhat interchangeably. Some researchers distinguish between zoophilia (as a persistent sexual interest in animals) and bestiality (as sexual acts with animals), because bestiality is often not driven by a sexual preference for animals.[1] Some studies have found a preference for animals is rare among people who engage in sexual contact with animals.[2] Furthermore, some zoophiles report they have never had sexual contact with an animal.[3] People with zoophilia are known as "zoophiles", though also sometimes as "zoosexuals", or even very simply "zoos".[1][4] Zooerasty, sodomy, and zooerastia[5] are other terms closely related to the subject but are less synonymous with the former terms, and are seldom used. "Bestiosexuality" was discussed briefly by Allen (1979), but never became widely established.[citation needed] Ernest Bornemann (1990, cited by Rosenbauer, 1997) coined the separate term zoosadism for those who derive pleasure – sexual or otherwise – from inflicting pain on animals. Zoosadism specifically is one member of the Macdonald triad of precursors to sociopathic behavior.[6]

Zoophilia
The term zoophilia was introduced into the field of research on sexuality in Psychopathia Sexualis (1886) by Krafft-Ebing, who described a number of cases of "violation of animals (bestiality)",[7] as well as "zoophilia erotica",[8] which he defined as a sexual attraction to animal skin or fur. The term zoophilia derives from the combination of two nouns in Greek: ζῷον (zṓion, meaning "animal") and φιλία (philia, meaning "(fraternal) love"). In general contemporary usage, the term zoophilia may refer to sexual activity between human and non-human animals, the desire to engage in such, or to the specific paraphilia (i.e., the atypical arousal) which indicates a definite preference for non-human animals over humans as sexual partners. Although Krafft-Ebing also coined the term zooerasty for the paraphilia of exclusive sexual attraction to animals,[9] that term has fallen out of general use.

Zoosexuality
The term zoosexual was proposed by Hani Miletski in 2002[4] as a value-neutral term. Usage of zoosexual as a noun (in reference to a person) is synonymous with zoophile, while the adjectival form of the word – as, for instance, in the phrase "zoosexual act" – may indicate sexual activity between a human and a non-human animal. The derivative noun "zoosexuality" is sometimes used by self-identified zoophiles in both support groups and on internet-based discussion forums to designate sexual orientation manifesting as romantic or emotional involvement with, or sexual attraction to, non-human animals.[4][10]

Bestiality
The legal term bestiality has three common pronunciations: [ˌbestʃiˈæləti] or [ˌbistʃiˈæləti] in the United States,[11] and [ˌbestiˈæləti] in the United Kingdom.[12] Some zoophiles and researchers draw a distinction between zoophilia and bestiality, using the former to describe the desire to form sexual relationships with animals, and the latter to describe the sex acts alone.[13] Confusing the matter yet further, writing in 1962, Masters used the term bestialist specifically in his discussion of zoosadism.

Stephanie LaFarge, an assistant professor of psychiatry at the New Jersey Medical School, and Director of Counseling at the ASPCA, writes that two groups can be distinguished: bestialists, who rape or abuse animals, and zoophiles, who form an emotional and sexual attachment to animals.[14] Colin J. Williams and Martin Weinberg studied self-defined zoophiles via the internet and reported them as understanding the term zoophilia to involve concern for the animal's welfare, pleasure, and consent, as distinct from the self-labelled zoophiles' concept of "bestialists", whom the zoophiles in their study defined as focused on their own gratification. Williams and Weinberg also quoted a British newspaper saying that zoophilia is a term used by "apologists" for bestiality.[15]"

I'll collapse it to keep my post relatively short (well shorter than it would be otherwise), feel free to expand it, if you want to read it.

TL;DR:

"The term zoophilia derives from the combination of two nouns in Greek: ζῷον (zṓion, meaning "animal") and φιλία (philia, meaning "(fraternal) love"). In general contemporary usage, the term zoophilia may refer to sexual activity between human and non-human animals, the desire to engage in such, or to the specific paraphilia (i.e., the atypical arousal) which indicates a definite preference for non-human animals over humans as sexual partners."

"The derivative noun "zoosexuality" is sometimes used by self-identified zoophiles in both support groups and on internet-based discussion forums to designate sexual orientation manifesting as romantic or emotional involvement with, or sexual attraction to, non-human animals."

"Stephanie LaFarge, an assistant professor of psychiatry at the New Jersey Medical School, and Director of Counseling at the ASPCA, writes that two groups can be distinguished: bestialists, who rape or abuse animals, and zoophiles, who form an emotional and sexual attachment to animals."

You see? The water is muddy already. Zoophilia is either the sexual attraction to animals in the opinion of the majority of the non-zoo society, or in the view of a minority an emotional attraction to animals. Zoosexuality seems to be either a sexual orientation including romantic or emotional investment for some zoos, or as you just said, it's only a sexual attraction to animals. Bestiality is either the act of having sex or the abuse and rape of animals, depending on who you are asking.

So, should we really come up with our own definitions and make everything even more convoluted than it already is?

In my tiny, unpopular opinion I think we shouldn't come up with new definitions and instead stick to the official definitions and orient ourselves accordingly. How else would anyone of us be qualified to answer the question of aditya9696 that was: "Can anyone explain the difference between Zoophilist and Beastality?" Because I see here many parallels to asking a furry what it means to be a furry. Personally I would point him in the direction of Wikipedia, show him the official definitions and tell him "Well, decide for yourself!", since that's what everybody else seems to be doing anyways, deciding for oneself which definition fits, which really, REALLY isn't helpful at all.
 
From the parts of the words, zoo and philia must contain the philia thing. Zoo and sexual would imho encompass everything sexual and with animals. So frottism frotti-ing can fall under zoosexual as long as the rubbing desire is directed to warm sheep wool, but it would not be caught by the 'smaller' zoophilia.
 
It's funny how we now have shuffled all definitions around.
Bestiality seems to have remained the same, but Zoophilia and Zoosexuality seem to have swapped places.

I'd like to quote Wikipedia again on this subject:

"Terminology
General
Three key terms commonly used in regards to the subject — zoophilia, bestiality, and zoosexuality — are often used somewhat interchangeably. Some researchers distinguish between zoophilia (as a persistent sexual interest in animals) and bestiality (as sexual acts with animals), because bestiality is often not driven by a sexual preference for animals.[1] Some studies have found a preference for animals is rare among people who engage in sexual contact with animals.[2] Furthermore, some zoophiles report they have never had sexual contact with an animal.[3] People with zoophilia are known as "zoophiles", though also sometimes as "zoosexuals", or even very simply "zoos".[1][4] Zooerasty, sodomy, and zooerastia[5] are other terms closely related to the subject but are less synonymous with the former terms, and are seldom used. "Bestiosexuality" was discussed briefly by Allen (1979), but never became widely established.[citation needed] Ernest Bornemann (1990, cited by Rosenbauer, 1997) coined the separate term zoosadism for those who derive pleasure – sexual or otherwise – from inflicting pain on animals. Zoosadism specifically is one member of the Macdonald triad of precursors to sociopathic behavior.[6]

Zoophilia
The term zoophilia was introduced into the field of research on sexuality in Psychopathia Sexualis (1886) by Krafft-Ebing, who described a number of cases of "violation of animals (bestiality)",[7] as well as "zoophilia erotica",[8] which he defined as a sexual attraction to animal skin or fur. The term zoophilia derives from the combination of two nouns in Greek: ζῷον (zṓion, meaning "animal") and φιλία (philia, meaning "(fraternal) love"). In general contemporary usage, the term zoophilia may refer to sexual activity between human and non-human animals, the desire to engage in such, or to the specific paraphilia (i.e., the atypical arousal) which indicates a definite preference for non-human animals over humans as sexual partners. Although Krafft-Ebing also coined the term zooerasty for the paraphilia of exclusive sexual attraction to animals,[9] that term has fallen out of general use.

Zoosexuality
The term zoosexual was proposed by Hani Miletski in 2002[4] as a value-neutral term. Usage of zoosexual as a noun (in reference to a person) is synonymous with zoophile, while the adjectival form of the word – as, for instance, in the phrase "zoosexual act" – may indicate sexual activity between a human and a non-human animal. The derivative noun "zoosexuality" is sometimes used by self-identified zoophiles in both support groups and on internet-based discussion forums to designate sexual orientation manifesting as romantic or emotional involvement with, or sexual attraction to, non-human animals.[4][10]

Bestiality
The legal term bestiality has three common pronunciations: [ˌbestʃiˈæləti] or [ˌbistʃiˈæləti] in the United States,[11] and [ˌbestiˈæləti] in the United Kingdom.[12] Some zoophiles and researchers draw a distinction between zoophilia and bestiality, using the former to describe the desire to form sexual relationships with animals, and the latter to describe the sex acts alone.[13] Confusing the matter yet further, writing in 1962, Masters used the term bestialist specifically in his discussion of zoosadism.

Stephanie LaFarge, an assistant professor of psychiatry at the New Jersey Medical School, and Director of Counseling at the ASPCA, writes that two groups can be distinguished: bestialists, who rape or abuse animals, and zoophiles, who form an emotional and sexual attachment to animals.[14] Colin J. Williams and Martin Weinberg studied self-defined zoophiles via the internet and reported them as understanding the term zoophilia to involve concern for the animal's welfare, pleasure, and consent, as distinct from the self-labelled zoophiles' concept of "bestialists", whom the zoophiles in their study defined as focused on their own gratification. Williams and Weinberg also quoted a British newspaper saying that zoophilia is a term used by "apologists" for bestiality.[15]"

I'll collapse it to keep my post relatively short (well shorter than it would be otherwise), feel free to expand it, if you want to read it.

TL;DR:

"The term zoophilia derives from the combination of two nouns in Greek: ζῷον (zṓion, meaning "animal") and φιλία (philia, meaning "(fraternal) love"). In general contemporary usage, the term zoophilia may refer to sexual activity between human and non-human animals, the desire to engage in such, or to the specific paraphilia (i.e., the atypical arousal) which indicates a definite preference for non-human animals over humans as sexual partners."

"The derivative noun "zoosexuality" is sometimes used by self-identified zoophiles in both support groups and on internet-based discussion forums to designate sexual orientation manifesting as romantic or emotional involvement with, or sexual attraction to, non-human animals."

"Stephanie LaFarge, an assistant professor of psychiatry at the New Jersey Medical School, and Director of Counseling at the ASPCA, writes that two groups can be distinguished: bestialists, who rape or abuse animals, and zoophiles, who form an emotional and sexual attachment to animals."

You see? The water is muddy already. Zoophilia is either the sexual attraction to animals in the opinion of the majority of the non-zoo society, or in the view of a minority an emotional attraction to animals. Zoosexuality seems to be either a sexual orientation including romantic or emotional investment for some zoos, or as you just said, it's only a sexual attraction to animals. Bestiality is either the act of having sex or the abuse and rape of animals, depending on who you are asking.

So, should we really come up with our own definitions and make everything even more convoluted than it already is?

In my tiny, unpopular opinion I think we shouldn't come up with new definitions and instead stick to the official definitions and orient ourselves accordingly. How else would anyone of us be qualified to answer the question of aditya9696 that was: "Can anyone explain the difference between Zoophilist and Beastality?" Because I see here many parallels to asking a furry what it means to be a furry. Personally I would point him in the direction of Wikipedia, show him the official definitions and tell him "Well, decide for yourself!", since that's what everybody else seems to be doing anyways, deciding for oneself which definition fits, which really, REALLY isn't helpful at all.

Regarding your last sentences, i also thought earlier today that the real problem might be: some people could be 'personally in need' for a specific thing to mean something, because they labelled themselves as such in the past. If the word means something else, they now rather need it to mean their meaning for everyone instead of just switching to using the other word. If we have such a situation here, then there is no way to get to an agreement.

Also: not excluding myself, i could be the wrong one, too.
 
This is why we have our own zoo dictionary. :sneaky:

Plus its enforced by the admins here as part of moderation when handling cases involving this site. We were hoping to help end this tireless debate around definitions. We just need more to adopt it.
 
It's funny how we now have shuffled all definitions around.
Bestiality seems to have remained the same, but Zoophilia and Zoosexuality seem to have swapped places.

Its ALL bestiality. If one is having sex with an animal, its bestiality. Whether your "in love" or not is irrelevant. Perhaps it should read

Zoophile: One who is sexually attracted to animals, engages in sexual relations with them. But also has deep emotional and/or romantic feelings towards their animal partners(s).
 
Its ALL bestiality. If one is having sex with an animal, its bestiality. Whether your "in love" or not is irrelevant. Perhaps it should read

Zoophile: One who is sexually attracted to animals, engages in sexual relations with them. But also has deep emotional and/or romantic feelings towards their animal partners(s).
Again, we're making our own definitions again. Actually go back and read the post CritterFunatic put, as he's more capable than you to do research.
 
Again, we're making our own definitions again. Actually go back and read the post CritterFunatic put, as he's more capable than you to do research.

What's incorrect about MY definition.

Zoophile: One who is sexually attracted to animals, engages in sexual relations with them. But also has deep emotional and/or romantic feelings towards their animal partners(s).
 
What's incorrect about MY definition.

Zoophile: One who is sexually attracted to animals, engages in sexual relations with them. But also has deep emotional and/or romantic feelings towards their animal partners(s).
not all zoophiles engage in sexual relations with their loved one, not all zoophiles have deep emotional or romantic feelings for their loved one

the basics as most zoos seem to belieave
zoophile is someone who loves animals with a sexual attraction to animals
beastialist has no love for animals, thinks animals are simply a way to get their jolly's, sometimes without thought or care for the animals wishes
zoosexual acts upon said attraction or desires too, therefore committing bestiality
bestiality is sex with animals
animal lover no matter how extreme it may seem, is not a zoo, without the sexual attraction
 
not all zoophiles engage in sexual relations with their loved one, not all zoophiles have deep emotional or romantic feelings for their loved one

the basics as most zoos seem to belieave
zoophile is someone who loves animals with a sexual attraction to animals
beastialist has no love for animals, thinks animals are simply a way to get their jolly's, sometimes without thought or care for the animals wishes
zoosexual acts upon said attraction or desires too, therefore committing bestiality
bestiality is sex with animals
animal lover no matter how extreme it may seem, is not a zoo, without the sexual attraction

Ok, so since zoosexual applies to both Zoophile and bestialists, then we're all zoosexuals, which is perfectly fine definition. But my definition for Zoophile is still equally valid.
 
Regarding your last sentences, i also thought earlier today that the real problem might be: some people could be 'personally in need' for a specific thing to mean something, because they labelled themselves as such in the past. If the word means something else, they now rather need it to mean their meaning for everyone instead of just switching to using the other word. If we have such a situation here, then there is no way to get to an agreement.

Also: not excluding myself, i could be the wrong one, too.
Exactly!
And that really happens. During the last 20 years I heard many definitions both from inside the scene as well as outside and rarely did they match at all.
I guess that actually might be the case here again.
 
Its ALL bestiality. If one is having sex with an animal, its bestiality. Whether your "in love" or not is irrelevant. Perhaps it should read

Zoophile: One who is sexually attracted to animals, engages in sexual relations with them. But also has deep emotional and/or romantic feelings towards their animal partners(s).
See, I partially agree. Love or not seems to be irrelevant when it comes to the act which is basically called "bestiality", so far I can agree.

Being a zoophile on the other hand means for the majority of the population, that one has a sexual attraction to them. The deep and/or romantic feelings might be part of that for some, but it isn't a prerequisite to being a zoophile, since not everyone calling themself a zoophile or is called a zoophile by others, shares this emotional connection.
 
Ask yourself this:
do you love your animal,.
do you put your animals pleasure before yours.
Do your animals live as good as you.

If you said yes 3 times you are a zoo. Not a beast.

Ask yourself this:
Do you fuck your animal cause you can't get a mate?

Are you done when you cum?
Does your dog sleep in a kennel?

If you said yes 3 time you are a beast
 
Ask yourself this:
do you love your animal,.
do you put your animals pleasure before yours.
Do your animals live as good as you.

If you said yes 3 times you are a zoo. Not a beast.

Ask yourself this:
Do you fuck your animal cause you can't get a mate?

Are you done when you cum?
Does your dog sleep in a kennel?

If you said yes 3 time you are a beast
Nonsense
 
Your opinion.

Talk to me when you have 200 Pluss mares under your belt and run a farm.
That doesn't relate in any way to the ability to define words or to agree to common definitions.

Apart from that I agree with your definitions, since they're the most well accepted definitions of those words there are and were consistent for the last 20 years since I first encountered them.
 
That doesn't relate in any way to the ability to define words or to agree to common definitions.

Apart from that I agree with your definitions, since they're the most well accepted definitions of those words there are and were consistent for the last 20 years since I first encountered them.
Experience dosent give the ability to relate, know a real zoo from one that has fantasy's
Or one that just uses animals for pleasure?

Huh, who woulda thunk it.

Rhetorical
 
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