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Class action defamation law suit against Humane Society?

Jesus, how selfish...

Organizations like this save an endless amount of animals each year, but because of their stance on zoophilia you want their assistance to our furry friends to end? You'd rather that tens of thousands, or more, animals each year don't have that organization to save them?

Sure, they may not be perfect, but I'd rather just keep under the radar about my sexuality knowing that they are doing all they can to save an endless amount of animals from homelessness/an early death.

Four things HSUS does wrong:

1 - advocating for the criminalization of sex with animals
2 - castration of animals and spaying/neutering animals
3 - advocating for exotic pet bans
4 - they haven't even attempted to ban animal slaughter (that's billions of animals killed, by the way)

Overall, HSUS is not a good organization. I still can't believe that zoos are defending HSUS -- it is an inconsistent position. (They are an enemy of zoos, yet apparently some zoos support them, which makes no sense).

And that completely negates any and all the good they do?

It doesn't "negate" good things they do, and they're not as bad as some organizations (such as pro-hunting groups), but I still wouldn't donate to them for the reasons mentioned. Honestly, PETA is a better organization (even though PETA has some flaws.)
 
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I do think that we ought to be prepared to take a more aggressive stance toward public defamation, not just by the Humane Society but in general. Part of why people think we're crazed animal-rapers and have us conflated with pedophiles is that we get defamed publicly with impunity.

While we admittedly might be half a century out from being able to successfully win a defamation lawsuit against anybody, I also think that we won't get to that point by just hiding down in our holes and doing nothing for half a century. Intend to still be alive and as strong as a bull moose in half a century, so damn right, I intend to live to see it and have time to enjoy it.

My OP was partly due to me utterly losing my shit after an emotionally exhausting conversation with someone that was so profoundly anti-activism that he genuinely believed that it could only ever get worse and that the only answer that was even possible was for us all to keep our heads low and go further into hiding. This person's utter cowardice had driven him to becoming manipulative and toxic with me, and I'm sorry: I sort of lost my shit and came off a lot more militant and impulsive than I usually do.

While @Wolfy might have somewhat of a sound point that specifically targeting the HSUS might be misguided when it's not just them but is quite frankly everybody that is targeting us, I also think that we ought to never give up on trying to produce adequate generational change that we can someday succeed at defending ourselves, as a community, against public defamation. Maybe, by then, the HSUS will have woken up to the realization that they have made a mistake, and confronting them in court won't even end up being discussed.

I'll admit, being confronted with someone's toxic defeatism caused me to lose my shit, and I came across as unhinged.

Nevertheless, I hope to bring up the topic again at another time, after it's cooled for a few months, and have a serious discussion about a possible future where we just might succeed at fighting against defamation.
 
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Every organization on the planet is against us, almost every individual is. By that logic, we have to be against everyone and everything.

Yes, most organizations are either hostile to zoos or don't care about them. (Actually, for most organizations, zoos are not even on their radar). However, HSUS is one of the few organizations that is actively anti-zoo -- meaning, they go to state legislators and tell them to make an anti-zoo bill, which eventually becomes law. Other anti-zoo organizations aren't nearly so forceful.

By the way, there are some aspects of HSUS that I like -- I just don't like the organization overall.
 
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I do think that we ought to be prepared to take a more aggressive stance toward public defamation, not just by the humane society but in general. Part of why people think we're crazed animal-rapers and have us conflated with pedophiles is that we get defamed publicly with impunity.

While we admittedly might be half a century out from being able to successfully win a defamation lawsuit against anybody, I also think that we won't get to that point by just hiding down in our holes and doing nothing for half a century.

My OP was partly due to me utterly losing my shit after an emotionally exhausting conversation with someone that was so profoundly anti-activism that he genuinely believed that it could only ever get worse and that the only answer that was even possible was for us all to keep our heads low and go further into hiding. This person's utter cowardice had driven him to becoming manipulative and toxic with me, and I'm sorry: I sort of lost my shit and came off a lot more militant and impulsive than I usually do.

While @Wolfy might have somewhat of a sound point that specifically targeting the HSUS might be misguided when it's not just them but is quite frankly everybody that is targeting us, I also think that we ought to never give up on trying to produce adequate generational change that we can someday succeed at defending ourselves, as a community, against public defamation. Maybe, by then, the HSUS will have woken up to the realization that they have made a mistake, and confronting them in court won't even end up being discussed.

I'll admit, being confronted with someone's toxic defeatism caused me to lose my shit, and I came across as unhinged.

Nevertheless, I hope to bring up the topic again at another time, after it's cooled for a few months, and have a serious discussion about a possible future where we just might succeed at fighting against defamation.
I believe that fighting for our rights is totally the right thing to do, but it takes time. And we need to be realistic about our goals.

Going after a massive organization like HSUS will go nowhere right off the bat, and even then it would probably just make us look even worse, I bet people would say "If they claim to truly love animals, why are they going against an organization that does everything to help other animals?"

We won't get anywhere in being so unrealistic. I know it seems pessimistic, but we have to be realistic here. Though I will admit, I have no idea where to start with such a thing. It may sound counter-intuitive to general advice, but I think a good starting point would for zoos (that are already comfortable in doing this) to talk to trusted people about their sexuality. There have been stories here of people telling friends/family that they are a zoo and it went over well, either naturally or after some convincing to show the person that we truly care about our animals and have no intention to hurt them. If this were to happen more, than more people would see that we love our animals, that we aren't out there to hurt them. Although few zoos would be comfortable doing such a thing. Hell, I sure know that I'm not doing that anytime soon. I have one friend I think it would go over well with and would understand me after I explained...but I'm still not risking it. And few zoos want to...

That's the one idea I have at least.
 
If we're going to start any type of public resistance against it at all, though, we have to get people started coming out locally, not just to strangers on the Internet, and getting involved locally with other zoos. It's going to be a generational thing. I remember how it worked out with the LGBT rights movement: in the 1970's, most people still thought that gay men were the same as pedophiles. They genuinely believed this.

We didn't start by winning over state legislatures, but we started out by developing local allies and allies among the literati and allies who were rich and famous and fashionable. We began climbing politically at a local level, by running for city council positions and mayorships. It worked. We became one of the most if not THE most powerful advocacy movements in human history.

We zoophiles have got to learn where we're most likely to find powerful allies, and we've got to get good at presenting ourselves to them.
 
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I believe that fighting for our rights is totally the right thing to do, but it takes time. And we need to be realistic about our goals.

Going after a massive organization like HSUS will go nowhere right off the bat, and even then it would probably just make us look even worse, I bet people would say "If they claim to truly love animals, why are they going against an organization that does everything to help other animals?"

We won't get anywhere in being so unrealistic. I know it seems pessimistic, but we have to be realistic here. Though I will admit, I have no idea where to start with such a thing. It may sound counter-intuitive to general advice, but I think a good starting point would for zoos (that are already comfortable in doing this) to talk to trusted people about their sexuality. There have been stories here of people telling friends/family that they are a zoo and it went over well, either naturally or after some convincing to show the person that we truly care about our animals and have no intention to hurt them. If this were to happen more, than more people would see that we love our animals, that we aren't out there to hurt them. Although few zoos would be comfortable doing such a thing. Hell, I sure know that I'm not doing that anytime soon. I have one friend I think it would go over well with and would understand me after I explained...but I'm still not risking it. And few zoos want to...

That's the one idea I have at least.
This one I'm sure would get someone wondering "Just, WHY!?!" But what about contacting the law makers that sponsors such laws to get these passed? Like the PACT Act for example. Which honestly is a law based on their 2010 ruling, this new one is basically just an enhancements to include what they refer to what is prohibited.
You can even contact the people anonymously. If enough people were to go after the law makers (in a nice way, of course.) It may show some sort of progress.

Just keeping the topic revolving around just HSUS won't change anything. Now, if this is true. There was someone that persuaded HSUS to assume Zoophiles are bad and they should be against them. Unless a group of people were able to show to them that we're not the type of abusers that want to torture animals, etc like the Necros out there are. It could change their point of view.

The person I'm talking about that I mentioned earlier was "Randy "ZooBuster" Pepe"
Randy Pepe, a.k.a. Zoobuster. He was an admitted zoophile who turned on his community in the late 1990s, outing people who had trusted him and keeping a kill list on his website,
Citation: hxxps://www.vice.com/en_us/article/nnqdpx/apparently-animals-consent-to-sex-in-the-beastiality-brothel (Yes, its featureing Douglas Spink, and for the ones that heard of him, I'm sure theres still some form of hatred, but he is not the point of this discussion.)

This was discussed on a Zoo Podcast, that is advertised here on Zooville (We don't run the podcast, we just allow them to give updates to their podcasts)
Toggle, the co host of Zooier Than Thou posted this on Twitter:
 
What I think might have actually happened, in the case of HSUS, was that some kids that volunteered at animal shelters were caught in sexual acts with those animals, and the people that ran the animal shelters were naturally pissed.

This is due to a failure in zoo ethics, and this makes mentoring all the more important. We have to learn good mentoring skills, so we can have some kind of a chance to instill some good ethics in them BEFORE they clash with animal-related organizations.

And when I say "learn good mentoring skills," I mean audit classes on mentoring, whatever it takes.

That's one of my aims with my local organization. I told the 19 year old guy that was one of the first to join, "I don't believe in having a boy tried and convicted for being a perfectly healthy and virile, young man, but part of being a responsible adult is learning to curb them and keep them out of trouble." He understood that, and I started talking to him about the importance of mentoring.

I think this is vitally important to keep zoophiles from ending up on the news for getting into serious trouble with the law.

If we can get the HSUS to see us as a strong and mature mentoring culture that can actually protect animals, then someday, they might side with us instead of being so deadset against us.
 
What I think might have actually happened, in the case of HSUS, was that some kids that volunteered at animal shelters were caught in sexual acts with those animals, and the people that ran the animal shelters were naturally pissed.
what @dogluver101 said is 100% true to what happened, a fellow zoo that turned against his community named "Randy Pepe" convinced the HSUS that we are a bunch of rapists and abusers. Hell, there were people in the HSUS that were known to have said that they didn't care about people having sex with their animals because the animals weren't being hurt in the process. That was until Randy Pepe went on his crazy hate campaign.
 
what @dogluver101 said is 100% true to what happened, a fellow zoo that turned against his community named "Randy Pepe" convinced the HSUS that we are a bunch of rapists and abusers. Hell, there were people in the HSUS that were known to have said that they didn't care about people having sex with their animals because the animals weren't being hurt in the process. That was until Randy Pepe went on his crazy hate campaign.
Well, it would be a lot easier to target one person than it would be to target a large organization like HSUS, I suppose, if he's still alive by the time we've managed to muster the resources and the level of organization. That's the fucking hell of it; to be realistic, we are so disorganized and demoralized, at this point, that we're talking about a generational change happening in our own goddamn community.
 
Do Not continue hijacking threads. You have been given infractions.
I actually like the Humane Society. I donate to the ASPCA, I volunteer for my local wildlife advocacy group, I've fostered dogs (some of whom were sexually abused by guys) as well as rescued pitbulls from being adopted by people (mostly guys) who want to kill them. Finally, I also have amazing sex with domestic and wild canines. Why should a well-rounded woman like me hate the Humane Society? They do what they can to protect my beloved animals! Zoophiles mistreat, exploit, and objectify canines as if they are nothing but sex toys!

I don't blame advocacy groups like the Humane Society for hating zoophiles. I mean, look at certain content on this forum written by mostly anybody other than female lol. Hello!! Why wouldn't they be disgusted?
 
We are trying very hard to reinvent the zoo community, but it's a lot harder if the kinds of people that actually have the ability to exercise moral leadership are not coming forward. The prejudices that are prevalent in these organisations are not helping even slightly.
 
This community has its good sides, but overall it's in shambles.

Which is a shame because we can't get anything done if everyone is against each other...
 
This community has its good sides, but overall it's in shambles.

Which is a shame because we can't get anything done if everyone is against each other...
I agree.

She is correct, I think, that misguided individuals that actually harm animals should be alarming to all animal-lovers, including zoos. The zoo community itself has to change, not just society at large.
 
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I actually like the Humane Society. I donate to the ASPCA, I volunteer for my local wildlife advocacy group, I've fostered dogs (some of whom were sexually abused by guys) as well as rescued pitbulls from being adopted by people (mostly guys) who want to kill them. Finally, I also have amazing sex with domestic and wild canines. Why should a well-rounded woman like me hate the Humane Society? They do what they can to protect my beloved animals! Zoophiles mistreat, exploit, and objectify canines as if they are nothing but sex toys!

I don't blame advocacy groups like the Humane Society for hating zoophiles. I mean, look at certain content on this forum written by mostly anybody other than female lol. Hello!! Why wouldn't they be disgusted?

HSUS is not a good organization and one should not donate to them. I already explained in previous posts why they are not a good organization. They are one of the only anti-zoo organizations in the U.S. that actively goes from state to state trying to ban sex with animals. They're part of the reason 12 U.S. states have banned sex with animals in the past 5 years.

Just like in another thread, you are saying that all male zoos abuse animals -- this is incorrect and sexist. I don't like you're attitude that zoo sex can only be ethical if it involves women (not men); it is a sexist, misandrist attitude.

There are some bad men out there, but that doesn't mean all men (who are zoos) are bad.

Question: why are there so many toxic misogynists and misandrists on this forum? There seem to be a lot of women on this forum who hate men, and a lot of men on this forum who hate women.
 
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I actually like the Humane Society. I donate to the ASPCA, I volunteer for my local wildlife advocacy group, I've fostered dogs (some of whom were sexually abused by guys) as well as rescued pitbulls from being adopted by people (mostly guys) who want to kill them. Finally, I also have amazing sex with domestic and wild canines. Why should a well-rounded woman like me hate the Humane Society? They do what they can to protect my beloved animals! Zoophiles mistreat, exploit, and objectify canines as if they are nothing but sex toys!

I don't blame advocacy groups like the Humane Society for hating zoophiles. I mean, look at certain content on this forum written by mostly anybody other than female lol. Hello!! Why wouldn't they be disgusted?
Then that would mean you're also hated for being one. We get it, you're a woman who hates men.
What you described would mostly be beastlist (hate me for spelling, whatever.). So you basically said if you're a loving zoophile, that you also exploit them. Or is that different because you're a woman? Oh wait. That would be a yes.

I can however say I knew of someone that claims he's a zoo, but actually does mistreat animals and uses them and claims them as service dogs. So don't think I'm defending all men here.
 
I actually like the Humane Society. I donate to the ASPCA, I volunteer for my local wildlife advocacy group, I've fostered dogs (some of whom were sexually abused by guys) as well as rescued pitbulls from being adopted by people (mostly guys) who want to kill them. Finally, I also have amazing sex with domestic and wild canines. Why should a well-rounded woman like me hate the Humane Society? They do what they can to protect my beloved animals! Zoophiles mistreat, exploit, and objectify canines as if they are nothing but sex toys!

I don't blame advocacy groups like the Humane Society for hating zoophiles. I mean, look at certain content on this forum written by mostly anybody other than female lol. Hello!! Why wouldn't they be disgusted?
You've been given infractions. Do Not continue to hijack threads.
 
HSUS may suck but they do a lot of good. They have a lot of volunteers and anyone who rescues animals of any kind is A-OK in my book. The need for rescues is because humans in general are not responsible with cats and dogs (any animal really). The need for mandatory S/N is due to irresponsible humans. I have an intact yapper dog and he has never created an unwanted or unplanned litter. Because I am responsible enough to keep him in my home, my backyard, and on a leash when off my property. For a lot of humans this is apparently really hard... Creating an epidemic of unwanted dogs and cats.

My old roommate had 3 girl cats that weren’t spayed. When they went into heat, they suddenly had the urge to go outside to see the tom cats. 3 cats got pregnant and suddenly there was an explosion of kittens. They were all moved outside and the mom cats got pregnant again and again.. the kittens contracted mange and most were starving. One of the adult cats killed a red tailed hawk for food, which btw is a protected raptor.. It was a mess. A situation like that is why S/N is important. A lot of people simply cannot handle intact animals.

For my roommate’s cats, I offered to trap them with a hav-a-hart trap and take them to the local shelter. I hauled about 24 kittens the first time around. These things were not tame and I got scratched by wild kittens. Pretty unpleasant. Embarrassing to explain the situation to shelter staff and animal control. If I hadn’t of trapped them, my roommates would have literally let them fester and multiply on their property. This is a harsh reality of pet ownership in the USA. This is why the US needs organizations such as HSUS. Otherwise animals will be left to multiply, starve, contract disease, kill native wildlife, and be killed themselves.
 
@shrimpsoda

Protestant churches often provide very good homeless shelters, and according to my sources, about 40% of homeless youth are LGBT. I am still going to criticise those that contribute to that statistic.

Dogs sometimes mate for life, and separating them from their mates can lead to them becoming very sick. They can even die. The majority of decent, educated zoos are not doing anything to their animals that mates of their own species would not do with less finesse and care. We probably pay more attention to our animals and their physical health than most pet owners. The HSUS would destroy our lives and the lives of our animals because they care more about their own prejudice than they do about our animals.

I would not criticise what the HSUS does right. I do criticise what they do wrong. When I created this thread, I forgot to distinguish between the two, but that criticism is deserved.
 
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Don't let them know you're zoo then. I'm not going to be against HSUS or any animal rescue organization that actually helps animals.
 
Don't let them know you're zoo then. I'm not going to be against HSUS or any animal rescue organization that actually helps animals.

In the case of zoos, HSUS does not help animals -- they would rather see a zoo's animals taken from them and killed (euthanized) rather than see a zoo be in a sexual relationship with an animal.

HSUS has an agenda, and so long as they are going from state to state (in the U.S.) getting legislators to ban sex with animals, they should be condemned.

(Also: HSUS is behind a lot of new state anti-exotic pet laws in the U.S.)
 
HSUS shelters are pig-sties. There are better organizations out there, and it's great if you have a better one in your area. We deserve better.

If that's not available, then it is more ethical to trust in your neighbors than those scum.

The HSUS is NOT the Humane Society, two totally different organizations with very different goals and budgets.

As for the neuter/spay that the Humane Society does? I'm all for it. Take your ass down to your nearest Humane Society and volunteer for a while, these people are dedicated to helping animals find a better life. These are all unwanted animals and intact unwanted animals have the potential to make more unwanted animals. Know what happens when there's too many unwanted animals? They get killed for convenience. The money to feed them, the space to house them, the medications, the behavioral therapy, these things cost money and there aren't a lot of groups willing to dedicate that amount of resource into dealing with other people's problems to make life better for the animals in their care. What do you think would happen to all of these poor abandoned animals if the Humane Society didn't exist? How big of a pile of dead dogs does it take to accept spay/neuter as a viable solution for animals which have been rejected?

I've been a part of the Humane Society, I wish I were in a situation where I could do more; they deserve your support, not your scorn, for doing what few others will.

Edit: The HSUS, that's another story alltogether. I despise them for advertising themselves with videos of shelters so that when people see the commercials and donate, thinking they are donating to shelters, the HSUS takes that money and uses it to buy political power. Fuck those people in the ass with some rusty barbed-wire.
 
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The HSUS is NOT the Humane Society, two totally different organizations with very different goals and budgets.

When you say "the Humane Society", which humane society are you referring to? Usually, a humane society is associated with some geographic location.
 
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Which humane society are you referring to? Usually, a humane society is associated with some geographic location.

I was mostly lumping the various groups often referred to as "The Humane Society" which operate shelters and are all too frequently confused with the HSUS.
 
When you say "the Humane Society", which humane society are you referring to? Usually, a humane society is associated with some geographic location.
HSUS is basically its own organization, like ASPCA. Versus the other shelters you see around that may have a city name and "Humane Society" after. Its not like they're apart of it. But I think it gives people the allusion that they're operated by that organization. There's shelters that don't have Humane Society in the name.
 
do u know how much money goes to help the pounds all over the usa sadly 2 % only goes to help other 98 % goes in thire pocket. why I stop giving them money
 
do u know how much money goes to help the pounds all over the usa sadly 2 % only goes to help other 98 % goes in thire pocket. why I stop giving them money

You're referring to HSUS, right?

So if I read the above posts correctly, "Humane Society" refers to multiple organizations / shelters scattered across the United States (which have no connection to HSUS).
 
You're referring to HSUS, right?

So if I read the above posts correctly, "Humane Society" refers to multiple organizations / shelters scattered across the United States (which have no connection to HSUS).
yes to youre ? HSUS here the link it even worse not 2% they give 1% back https://www.answers.com/Q/How_much_money_does_the_hsus_give_back_to_animal_shelters
from link Less than 1% of its annual income goes to animal shelters. The rest goes to executive and employee salaries as well as their political efforts to end animal agriculture.
makes me cry way get away wich this crap
 
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Then the idea of pressing a suit might actually turn out to be both moral and, in the long-run, feasible. I say let us start making some serious preparations to soak them for everything that they have got.
 
I am going to listen to the latest episode of Zooier Than Thou and the two follow-up episodes. Fausty might have some more interesting ideas.
 
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