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Class action defamation law suit against Humane Society?

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SigmaTheZeta

Esteemed Citizen of ZV
I think that we ought to start getting in touch with attorneys and prepare to try to clean them out for everything they've got. Let's shut them down for good. Let's ruin them. All of us should want to take them to the cleaners.
 
thebestguy said:
For what being anti zoo? If so, most companies are. That aside why would you want to take down a company that does a lot towards sheltering and rehoming animals that likely would die without the organization in place? Is that what you want? Probably hundreds of thousands of animals being either abandoned to die or killed because there is no place to take them? Why because you disagree with their stance?
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Those castration dungeons they run are a hot mess. Anyone that's done business with them can tell you.

Let's shut them down, permanently.
 
Besides, they probably have so many attorneys it would take us decades to get even a modest settlement, but if we're not determined to go for the throat, then we won't even get that.

Nothing's going to change unless we're out for blood.
 
SigmatoZeta said:
Those castration dungeons they run are a hot mess. Anyone that's done business with them can tell you.

Let's shut them down, permanently.
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Would you like to provide evidence for this?

Also, those people that rescue animals worry about that animal reproducing thus meaning more animals and possibilities for strays.... meaning more issues about homeless animals.... meaning more castration of said animals....
 
They have routine epidemics, and they tend to fail to worm their cats comprehensively. You are better off with Craigslist and a competent veterinarian.
 
thebestguy said:
For what being anti zoo? If so, most companies are. That aside why would you want to take down a company that does a lot towards sheltering and rehoming animals that likely would die without the organization in place? Is that what you want? Probably hundreds of thousands of animals being either abandoned to die or killed because there is no place to take them? Why because you disagree with their stance?
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I have to agree here. I can understand the reason SigmatoZeta has said what he said, but sometimes you just have to appreciate the good and put up with the things you don't like.
 
Oh, and they tend to be liars, too. If want to adopt two cats at once, you might asking them to try housing the cats together to see if they get along. You get the cats home, and they're tearing each other apart.

Trust me, Craigslist and a good vet spares animals from ever entering that dungeon to begin with.
 
"Puppy mill" dogs are invariably sold as "purebreds."

If you want a real purebred, feel free to spend five thousand bucks or whatever the current rate is.

Nah, virtually all mutt litters you see ads go up for would end up in a shelter. They are almost invariably actual accidents.
 
To clarify, I believe this thread is about the Humane Society of the United States (HSUS). At least, I assume it is about HSUS.

Firstly, I can't believe people are defending HSUS -- they are probably the most aggressive and well-funded anti-zoo organization in the United States. (Another anti-zoo organization is the ALDF). HSUS has stated that they are on a crusade to ban sex with animals in all U.S. states, and they are currently going from state to state to push their agenda. They are succeeding -- NH, VT, NV, TX and KY all have anti-zoo laws now.

While most organizations are anti-zoo, few go out of their way to do anti-zoo things -- HSUS is one of those organizations.

Secondly, I disagree with thebestguy. Spaying and neutering is morally wrong. The reason it is wrong is because it deprives an animal of his/her sexuality (non-human animals have a right to have their sex organs remain intact, just like humans). The fact that humans are not spayed/neutered, but other animals are, is wrong because it treats humans differently from other animal species. If humans are not castrated, then non-human animals shouldn't be either. And also, spaying/neutering is done without an animal's consent.

Overall, HSUS is not a good organization. There are good animal organizations out there, but HSUS isn't one of them.
 
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HSUS shelters are pig-sties. There are better organizations out there, and it's great if you have a better one in your area. We deserve better.

If that's not available, then it is more ethical to trust in your neighbors than those scum.
 
The Humane Society's incompetence results in their pig sty shelters being frequently struck with epidemics, and they are not safe places for animals at all. The conditions are horrible.

There are better organizations.
 
Better yet, stay in touch with your neighbors. Often, they find themselves in possession of an animal they can't find the original owner of, and you can get one for free.
 
Humane Society needs to shed some blood over their defamation against us, or they will never realize, we are not going to take it lying down, but we are prepared to fight back and crush skulls.
 
thebestguy said:
I personally don't believe in castration either, but if it was that or death of an animal or the animal forced to live in horrible conditions their life then I would rather see the animal live and live well. I am an advocate of forms of litter prevention that involve non altering things like vasectomies. And I don't care what you say, if you think the company that saves hundreds of thousands of animals per year should be destroyed because they are anti zoo and castrate then you must not care for animals very much at all.
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I do care about animals, which is why I'm a vegetarian (I don't eat meat). I still don't think HSUS is a good organization, for the reasons I mentioned. One of their main goals is to criminalize sex with animals nationwide.
 
SigmatoZeta said:
Humane Society needs to shed some blood over their defamation against us, or they will never realize, we are not going to take it lying down, but we are prepared to fight back and crush skulls.
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Its statements such as this that make them more determined to do what they're doing. Same stupid argument that plagued B/F FOR Years....REALITY CHECK: the HSUS MAY be all the that you accuse them of, but they have deeper pockets than WE will ever have. All those late night cable ads ( only 17 cents a day, or whatever idiot math sounds good this month) put cash in the kitty at an alarming rate, and the suckers never notice that what they're asking for would maybe run the offices for a month, NOT a Shelter, let alone a National system of shelters...but they DO get the neat L.E. Teeshirt. Going head to head with a superior force is a game for fools.
 
So this is one of the dumber posts I've seen, but your legal "idea" betrays your complete ignorance of the law. In the US, a defemation plaintiff needs to prove that the defendant did all of 4 things:
  1. made a false and defamatory statement concerning the plaintiff;
  2. shared the statement with a third party (that is, somebody other than the person defamed by the statement);
  3. if the defamatory matter is of public concern, acted in a manner which amounted at least to negligence on the part of the defendant; and
  4. caused damages to the plaintiff.
And idea of a defemation case immediately implodes upon point 1. Truth is an absolute defense in defemation cases. Demonstrating that someone's claim about you or a party is true instantly ends whatever case you think you have. We are zoos, that is true. We are sexually attracted to animals. There is no justicable action you can take.

And then on top of that, they're not even suggesting "this group of people are zoos", there's no actual beginning of a defemation case here. They didn't say "SigmatoZeta is a zoo". There's no plaintiff here. Just saying "we don't like zoos" isn't accusing anyone of being a zoo, therefor there's no grounds to even begin a defemation case.
 
I’d totally ignore this guy and all the rubbish he comes out with, he says he wants to represent the zoo community but that’s shit as well ,all he wants to do is sue somebody,anybody
hes a self admitted rights activist but that was won years ago without his help and quite rightly so
all he’s doing is trying to find a new bandwagon to spout about
 
Jesus, how selfish...

Organizations like this save an endless amount of animals each year, but because of their stance on zoophilia you want their assistance to our furry friends to end? You'd rather that tens of thousands, or more, animals each year don't have that organization to save them?

Sure, they may not be perfect, but I'd rather just keep under the radar about my sexuality knowing that they are doing all they can to save an endless amount of animals from homelessness/an early death.
 
SigmatoZeta said:
Oh, and they tend to be liars, too. If want to adopt two cats at once, you might asking them to try housing the cats together to see if they get along. You get the cats home, and they're tearing each other apart.

Trust me, Craigslist and a good vet spares animals from ever entering that dungeon to begin with.
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This is called personality. So I guess if you got two cats from Craigslist, they'll immediately get a long?
Wanting to sue them and shut them down would only help their opinion why they don't like zoos. Its not solving anything, but fueling more hate because you sued an animal organization. '
I guess you want to shut down ASPCA to? Why not PETA?

You want to change something, take it up to the top of the organization.... In a civil way. Why waste money on court fees when all you're going to do is talk to a lawyer defending the organization, and not the actual CEO. A lawyer can say whatever they want to get the case thrown out.
 
SigmatoZeta said:
Oh, and they tend to be liars, too. If want to adopt two cats at once, you might asking them to try housing the cats together to see if they get along. You get the cats home, and they're tearing each other apart.

Trust me, Craigslist and a good vet spares animals from ever entering that dungeon to begin with.
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Your the liar here, your a dishonest ...thing, man creature
collecting money by false pretences
 
@dogluver101,

There would still have to be an element of organization and strength even in such a message. We would have to produce a strong enough and well-funded enough organization of our own to address them as equals, or we would not even be taken seriously.

I respect the fact that you are advocating for a less destructive route, but it still needs an element of strength.

Even for that, we're at minimum half a decade out from having that level of organization, under ideal conditions.
 
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@Giant Hogweed, thank you for your feedback. You deliver sound points about the realities of American law.

I did intentionally frame this as a question, and apparently, the overwhelming verdict on it is "no." I'm going to stick with ideas that have gotten a warmer reception.

Quite honestly, I posted this late at night as a reaction to an upsetting discussion I had had with someone that was so fearful that he was terrified of the idea of us trying to organize at all, and I came away from the discussion with a feeling that it's our very lack of fucking balls that is probably a part of the problem.

However, if we are going to start showing some balls, we have to be unified on what direction we go when doing so. I would not want to continue trying to pursue an idea like this one that has resulted in such abrupt opposition. I have suggested ideas that have garnered much stronger support, and I think that focusing on more popular ideas is the way to go.
 
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I don’t see why anybody should be fearful to the point of being terrified of you organising anything, there seems to be a severe lack of anybody joining your little crusade
 
Actually, @Wasbitchpolly, I tend to use "does it offend Wasbitchpolly?" as a litmus test for whether I have said anything bold or imaginative at all. It doesn't mean it's always a good idea, but I think that horrifying you is usually a good sign.

Again, I am going to leave this idea for now. I am going to focus on ideas that have gotten better support.
 
SigmatoZeta said:
Actually, @Wasbitchpolly, I tend to use "does it offend Wasbitchpolly?" as a litmus test for whether I have said anything bold or imaginative at all. It doesn't mean it's always a good idea, but I think that horrifying you is usually a good sign.

Again, I am going to leave this idea for now. I am going to focus on ideas that have gotten better support.
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Thank god for that
 
And again, I want it to be noted that the thread itself was at least partly an emotional reaction to a very exhausting conversation I had with a zoo that was trying to shut me down for even trying to organize some local zoos for mutual support and develop a five-year plan for considerably more modest endeavors. I was really so upset by it that my hands were shaking, and the very manipulativeness of this person, which I think is partly pardonable because it was driven by his fear, flipped a switch in me. It's a very bad idea to try to corner me. What you get when I'm down and frustrated is always rage and destruction. I'm a demon when I'm in a bad mood.

Now that I have recovered my senses, I honestly agree with @dogluver101 that a less destructive route might eventually be more viable.

However, @dogluver101, I would point out to you that organizing that kind of activity would be just as difficult and just as complicated and just as risky as organizing a lawsuit, unfortunately. You cannot successfully appeal to any large organization or its leadership and be taken seriously unless you can demonstrate very strong organizational unity, strength, and intestinal fortitude. Your suggestion would not be an easier or safer route, and it would not be quicker. Your idea would take a solid generation of some of us laying the foundation bricks for a unified front, and that's not the easiest thing to do. We are still talking, even for your approach, about probably decades of building up.
 
thebestguy said:
Well open your pockets guys... Become that means our group would have to earn a modest 120,000,000 per year and have about 215,000,000 in assets we can hit em with...
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Actually, the local boys I've found are quite young and still getting their start. The five-year plan that I have proposed is to just start a regular meeting or dinner, in person, among like-minded locals, and once that is a regular thing, we can start figuring out what to do from there. I am convinced that at least one of them has his shit together a lot more than I do. I honestly am too scatterbrained to organize anything on my own. This guy is, from the sound of it, a very hard worker and a person that has very realistic goals.

So if it's any comfort to you, I think the real brains of our local group is someone that has a lot more sense than I do.

My generation shit the bed bad. Maybe his cohort can do better.
 
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