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Cheating, frowned upon or DONT DO IT?

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So I'm not trying to convince myself, but I would like some feedback. So 36/m married and partner is not interested in zoo or k9 or anything. I'm not complaining about the sex, that's awesome, but of course my quest for anything k9 would have to be with another person. Marriage is great wouldn't change a thing and I would never push her to be uncomfortable or leave her because of just that one thing. So if I intend on pursuing my k9 fantasy with another person and not lying to that person about my relationship status, would that be cheating, frowned upon or just stay away and don't do it. Look forward to responses.
 
If it's behind your wife's back without her consent, its cheating.

Better to just ask her permission to pursue your desire but you have to give her the same leeway, ie if she suddenly wants a gangbang or to cuck you, you'll have to take it on the chin, good for the goose is good for the gender after all.
 
Thank you and good point, damnit. Lol but my concern is even if I approach her with this concept and for one she disapproves and i comply, she'll always suspect or feel she's not able to be everything for me sexually or second she sees me as a complete weirdo and she splits.
 
We've had conversations about a possible 3 way and she's leaned towards another male joining. So maybe if i dig a little more or bring to light her fantasies then maybe. I like the way you think Backgrounder. Dirty but reasonable, i like it.
 
Okay so I understand your dilemma, I myself am in a similar situation with my wife in the sense that I have a marriage with a woman that I love and would never change but this part of my life is a complete secret. Telling my wife that I am also a zoophile would have the effect of dropping a nuke on my relationship. To answer you initial question, Yes absolutely acting on your desires outside of your marriage and behind your wife's back would be cheating and unless you love self sabotage I would say you should stay away from it. Having said that I recently found myself in a situation where I met another woman who is accepting of this lifestyle. We hit it off and became instant friends and I found myself confronted with the desire to explore my zoo side with her. Honestly I'm still trying to understand these feelings within myself as I have NEVER been tempted to go beyond my relationship with my wife and I still don't know how to reconcile what I am feeling with what I know would happen if I acted on those feelings. I honestly hope you find a solution that works for everyone involved.... For me I'm not sure such a thing exists.
 
I hear you horselover, as a partner you feel you can't do with out them, but I often remind myself it's been 13yrs together and she's seen the best of me and the worst and although tempting, this NEW opportunity doesn't know all of me. So even though the other can give this one big thing what if it's not worth loosing what's been a bigger part of my life. So question is do we just hide what we are because things are good on the surface or take a chance.
 
Okay so I understand your dilemma, I myself am in a similar situation with my wife in the sense that I have a marriage with a woman that I love and would never change but this part of my life is a complete secret. Telling my wife that I am also a zoophile would have the effect of dropping a nuke on my relationship. To answer you initial question, Yes absolutely acting on your desires outside of your marriage and behind your wife's back would be cheating and unless you love self sabotage I would say you should stay away from it. Having said that I recently found myself in a situation where I met another woman who is accepting of this lifestyle. We hit it off and became instant friends and I found myself confronted with the desire to explore my zoo side with her. Honestly I'm still trying to understand these feelings within myself as I have NEVER been tempted to go beyond my relationship with my wife and I still don't know how to reconcile what I am feeling with what I know would happen if I acted on those feelings. I honestly hope you find a solution that works for everyone involved.... For me I'm not sure such a thing exists.
Thank you for your honesty, very refreshing knowing the struggle is out there.
 
For me my desire is to be able to be completely myself with my partner, Having to keep this part of myself a secret is a great burden. Finding someone I can open up to about what is my deepest secret is so freeing and refreshing it no wonder its tempting especially when you connect with that person on other levels as well.
 
I would be honest. We never had any secrets from one another. Open about our fetishes and all. Do not think going blunt forward would be a great idea, but dance abit around the butter in the portage as we say. Go slowly towards the subject.

Ain't relationships build on trust, respect, give and take? Then again, might not be respected what you turn on and can be a dangerous road to follow for the relationship. Do not know your other half, so can't really imagine the reaction.
 
Great advice, thank you. Sounds like you both are lucky to have one another. So is it true love to understand and accept another's desires no matter how "extreme"? I don't know if I'm willing to find out. ?
 
So you mentioned your wife isn't into or interested in k9 but does she know YOU are? I'm trying to figure out if this is a complete secret or you've discussed your desires but she doesn't reciprocate.
 
So I've shown her vids and she's never turned to me in digust. I've never told her it gets me off or that our dog licks me. I've mentioned getting the dog when we're intimate, but she's against it.
 
I posted something about the topic of talking about this with their friend/partner/date.

"... I have a habit of trying to steer conversations towards taboo interest either by bringing up news articles, random YouTube video recommendations, etc. For example I enjoy watching public debates online and one of those debates was directly about zoophilia. So when the conversation friends/dates goes towards the "taboo" area either by weird relationship stories, bizarre/kinky videos people show you, etc. I can always say "yeah, guess what I saw online the other day...". If anyone gets curious they can bring up my video history and see the hundreds of debates I've watched so it's nothing unusual. While I'm talking about the issue i'm listening to what their saying closely and watching their body language for signs of anger, disgust (which are common where i'm at least), or excitement. When talking about taboo issues its very important (at least to me) to play "devils advocate" since the other person always will say that it's bad/wrong/gross. So it gives you a reason to assume the role of a zoophile openly without any of the blowback. If they're interested or curious about it AND you feel comfortable tell them your interested. If you don't and they start accusing you of being weird or whatever (which has never happened to me) I'd just say you're were "playing" devils advocate."

I feel it's important to restate the obvious fact that you're already married. Personally from my point of view I couldn't betray my partner so if it's something she's not interested in then it's better to find some way to deal with it. As in move past your fantasy. For example if you met another women and your wife didn't want a three-way or wouldn't allow you to have sex with the other women, would you ignore her and do it anyway? If your a faithful husband then I'd guess no. Same goes for your Zoo fantasies. I understand wanting to embrace and express this side of yourself but as a married man (again my belief) all your decisions effect your wife. So they should involve your wife. Many women aren't into this kind of lifestyle and I'd be very carful with how you approach the topic. Some will suggest the swinging lifestyle, polyamorist lifestyle, or an open marriage, but many times these types of lifestyles severely backfire especially when people rush into them. Many people aren't ready for the jealousy or the attention their partner gets. Sometimes their partner, once they get all the attention and freedom, never want to go back to their old lives. Just be careful and don't be so quick to throw away what you already have.
 
Makes perfect sense and basically i would have to ask myself is it worth hiding a secret with another women and loose 13yrs of a relationship for my own interest. I love getting her off and wouldn't want anyone replacing me. Thank you for all of your sincere responses, this has helped me gain a better perspective. Especially knowing others have endured hiding an interest or a want that may never happen. So unless sometime down the road my wife wants to be more adventurous who knows, but for now I'm happy. Can't complain about the sex, we've incorporated toys and butt stuff which never thought I would but it's fun. Overall she's seen me at my best and my worst and i know it's hard to find someone who can take the good and the bad and make it work. So for now just drop hints and bring up taboo conversation and who knows maybe one crazy night after smoking a bowl just might happen. Again thank you all and I'm still open to read more advice or personal struggles as mine.
 
For me the zoo lifestyle will have to remain a closely guarded secret and ill have to be satisfied with living out my fantasies in my mind. I truly wish you the best Dogwatcher and I hope being able to talk openly about this issue helps.
 
I think this would highly depend on what your fantasy is specifically. Her response might vary greatly depending on how "intimate" you plan on being with this other woman. Is it more so about the other woman or more so about the k9? Do you just want to watch? Do you want to fuck the dog? Or fuck the woman WITH the dog?
 
So I'm not trying to convince myself, but I would like some feedback. So 36/m married and partner is not interested in zoo or k9 or anything. I'm not complaining about the sex, that's awesome, but of course my quest for anything k9 would have to be with another person. Marriage is great wouldn't change a thing and I would never push her to be uncomfortable or leave her because of just that one thing. So if I intend on pursuing my k9 fantasy with another person and not lying to that person about my relationship status, would that be cheating, frowned upon or just stay away and don't do it. Look forward to responses.
First of all, I applaud that you open up and straightforward ask this question, and seek input.

To answer: if you do it without consent of your partner (and it doesn't seem like she'd be comfortable with it), you would be cheating.

So, do not do it. It's not worth it. Some fetish is never worth it.
I cheated on an ex of mine (long relationship). My lying about it was the worst thing I have done to someone in my life. The cheating itself was the 2nd worst thing. I was stupid and selfish. Be better.
 
That's not an easy question to answer, Were I a single man the answer is all of the above but I'm not the cheating type and as I said before this is the first time in my life I have ever found myself tempted in this way and honestly I'm still trying to understand it. Ultimately it doesn't matter its just a fantasy and that's where its got to stay. I'm happy with my marriage and with the person I chose to be with but as a man I cant deny that these desires to live out this part of my sexuality exist. I suppose if I knew she would be okay with it id go for it but I know in reality it would be the end of us.
 
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I think this would highly depend on what your fantasy is specifically. Her response might vary greatly depending on how "intimate" you plan on being with this other woman. Is it more so about the other woman or more so about the k9? Do you just want to watch? Do you want to fuck the dog? Or fuck the woman WITH the dog?
More about the K9, but of course never been in that situation who knows where it would lead too. So from the great points everyone on this thread has established, why risk it. I'll still keep dropping hints and risque conversation and hope for the best.
 
Trust me, cheating complicates things, it makes matters worse, and it always backfires in the end. You should have thought about your K-9 needs when you were looking for someone.
 
So 13 yrs ago I didn't have such a strong interest. I had come across vids, but they were all boring, just dildogging and yeah didn't seem authentic, even though they still had a dog's dick in them. These past few years, 5 or such, I started coming across more authentic vids that showed more of the sexual connection and natural intimacy that a k9 and person could have. Just being able to see something so genuine and personal that looks right to me, i felt just drawn to wanting a personal experience. I've always been more about the other person, wanting them to get off. So spending whatever amount of time of felacio or fucking to make them cum is what gets me off. So seeing this k9 involvement with their partners getting off, is again something I'd like be a part of. So yes I'd be in utter joy to have my partner just try for her pleasure more than mine, but as previously mentioned up till now it's out of the question. So my post was to get opinions and hopefully personal experiences and everyone's response has been greatly appreciated. I really do thank all of your feedback, but my k9 devotion isn't as strong as others are to risk losing my what my life is now. So all I gotta say if anyone would like to share vids or pics of my partner getting fucked or licked by k9 you all better say a prayer for me lol. Again thank you all for sharing and giving such great advice. I wish everyone here luck on their zoo endeavors.
 
So I'm not trying to convince myself, but I would like some feedback. So 36/m married and partner is not interested in zoo or k9 or anything. I'm not complaining about the sex, that's awesome, but of course my quest for anything k9 would have to be with another person. Marriage is great wouldn't change a thing and I would never push her to be uncomfortable or leave her because of just that one thing. So if I intend on pursuing my k9 fantasy with another person and not lying to that person about my relationship status, would that be cheating, frowned upon or just stay away and don't do it. Look forward to responses.
I will not moralize to you even slightly.

I do not believe that you need to reveal adultery anymore than you need to reveal whether or not you gamble with another person. Do you feel a need to ask for your spouse's permission to play a game of ping-pong with another person? Even if you knew that your spouse would forbid you to do so, would you feel compelled to inform your spouse that you had gone to a rave party? Need you confess your every action to your spouse?

Ideally, you would have a spouse that you do not need to conceal information from, or you might have such affection toward your spouse that you would want to make certain kinds of decisions "as a team." This is indeed an ideal sort of relationship. It is good to have such close terms of affection that one would be uninclined to engage in any clandestine activity whatsoever. Those of us that have such strong feelings of association with our spouses are fortunate.

On the other hand, some people are in low-involvement relationships, or their relationship is going through hard times due to factors beyond their control. Should we always condemn people for having private affairs? Should we always make a point of scolding every person that exchanges a few sexting messages? Should "sex scandals" always disrupt our democratic process? I deny that this is rational! In fact, I have come to have contempt for the political use of "sex scandals," and I have harshly condemned people for political pettiness over spreading them. If a person is being libeled over such a petty offense to outdated moral hypocrisy, then every genuinely moral and educated person ought to come to that person's defense and to speak out in outrage against the continued perpetuation of such shallow political pettiness and personal destruction at the expense of our democratic institutions. It costs me nothing if another man has one wife, three wives, or one wife and four mistresses!

Fidelity is only a factor in a special type of relationship in which you genuinely feel a personal drive to make your romantic partner a legitimate and authoritative voice in all of your major decision-making. In that case, the only person in the world it ought to matter to is you. When you cut your spouse out of that decision-making process, then you are letting go of something very special. You should not care whether or not I would judge you over that, but you should care if that might make you feel that you have let go of something that is special to you. It gives you a sense of magic in your relationship, and even for those of us that have the opportunity to feel that magic, it seldom lasts forever.

It is also perfectly alright if you prefer to have a more fraternal relationship that leaves you both with greater individuality. This is underrated in western culture. We romanticize the more communal sorts of relationships, and we fail to recognize the benefits of two people in a marital relationship being at liberty to make their personal decisions independently of each other without having to ask each others' opinions or to report to each other. This more fraternal sort of relationship is not a bad kind of relationship at all. It has many benefits. It is less magical but also gives us many other opportunities for personal growth. Because of our culture's rush to romanticize romantic martyrdom, we often forget that people can find a combination of security and personal independence in a more balanced model for a relationship. This does not mean that you ought to feel compelled to prefer such a model, but I merely question putting people under pressure to believe that their relationship is only valid if they engage in romantic martyrdom. It is not my business whether they do or do not.

In fact, I think it would make me an unpardonable busybody to make it my business at all, and I actually do judge others for attempting to make other people's most special relationships into a political football. I honestly believe that a part of why marriage is a dying institution is that we have gone so far in turning a private institution into a public instrument and pressuring people to believe that their relationships lack validity unless they fit into a certain mold.
 
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So I'm not trying to convince myself, but I would like some feedback. So 36/m married and partner is not interested in zoo or k9 or anything. I'm not complaining about the sex, that's awesome, but of course my quest for anything k9 would have to be with another person. Marriage is great wouldn't change a thing and I would never push her to be uncomfortable or leave her because of just that one thing. So if I intend on pursuing my k9 fantasy with another person and not lying to that person about my relationship status, would that be cheating, frowned upon or just stay away and don't do it. Look forward to responses.


It would be cheating yes, and btw women sense when stuff is off and they're brilliant investigators and chances are she will find out. I would advise staying away and not doing it, but on the other hand I do think your wife should be open minded to at the very least try it for you just once as its such a big thing for you. If it was just you and a dog, then I don't think its cheating, its fine, if its you, a girl and a dog, then thats cheating in my opinion and I don't think you should do it, if your marriage and sex life is as good as you say it is, don't risk it.
 
@jellybean56

I am smirking at your expense, here. Women are often paranoid, yes, but often, they overestimate their own brilliance. I have known many men that were really genuinely overworked and pulling extra hours to try to keep up with bills, and their neglected wives took a lot of disparate evidence and assembled it into a hasty conclusion.

Women that do this are often the sorts that are obsessed with mystery novels, and because of their fascination with the genre, they can come to overestimate their own sleuthing ability, sort of in the same way that a man that watches too many boxing tournaments can get himself beaten to within an inch of his life by picking a fight with someone that is lighter-weight but more experienced at practical combat and less hesitant to cause serious injuries. They are not really the super-geniuses they think they are.

Women are not really more perceptive: they are just more likely to be delusionally narcissistic about their perception. There is a difference.

Also, it is technically true that men cheat more often, but exaggerating what that means constitutes "lying with statistics."


In the study cited, here, it is true that 20% of men have cheated, but it is also true that 13% of women have also cheated. While they are somewhat less likely to be interested in adultery, women are not really the paragons of moral purity they pretend to be. They are just better at getting away with it.

Furthermore, the study also found that rates of infidelity, among women, have been rising while rates among men have remained steady.

In general, I count myself as a feminist, but toxic virtue-signaling, either by women or on behalf of women, is really counter-productive.

Besides, the stereotype of women as being "morally virtuous" is really a form of "soft misogyny."

In fact, the stereotype of women being vengeful over the slightest infidelity also constitutes "soft misogyny."

Men can be just as toxic when they find out that their women are cheating on them, but they garner less sympathy. In general, society tends to find a "cuckold" to be more of a source of humor than of sympathy. "Your wife is cheating on you" is a commonplace taunt, and that taunt also tends to be a contributor to domestic violence. Calling men "cucks" because it sounds funny to say is just driving men to beating their wives black-and-blue over perceived infidelity, but people that think that this taunt is funny keep on doing it.

There is indeed such a thing as a paranoid, sexually frustrated woman that will do anything to find fault with her husband; however, those sorts of women are toxic heifers, and they really do not deserve anyone's sympathy. If they are dissatisfied with the relationship for reasons not related to infidelity, then they ought to consider experimenting with an open relationship, where they may date with other people. There is really no need to invent reasons for being dissatisfied when the bottom line is that one is dissatisfied. Instead of creating more problems, I find no fault with finding solutions.
 
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@jellybean56

I am smirking at your expense, here. Women are often paranoid, yes, but often, they overestimate their own brilliance. I have known many men that were really genuinely overworked and pulling extra hours to try to keep up with bills, and their neglected wives took a lot of disparate evidence and assembled it into a hasty conclusion.

Women that do this are often the sorts that are obsessed with mystery novels, and because of their fascination with the genre, they can come to overestimate their own sleuthing ability, sort of in the same way that a man that watches too many boxing tournaments can get himself beaten to within an inch of his life by picking a fight with someone that is lighter-weight but more experienced at practical combat and less hesitant to cause serious injuries. They are not really the super-geniuses they think they are.

Women are not really more perceptive: they are just more likely to be delusionally narcissistic about their perception. There is a difference.

Also, it is technically true that men cheat more often, but exaggerating what that means constitutes "lying with statistics."


In the study cited, here, it is true that 20% of men have cheated, but it is also true that 13% of women have also cheated. While they are somewhat less likely to be interested in adultery, women are not really the paragons of moral purity they pretend to be. They are just better at getting away with it.

Furthermore, the study also found that rates of infidelity, among women, have been rising while rates among men have remained steady.

In general, I count myself as a feminist, but toxic virtue-signaling, either by women or on behalf of women, is really counter-productive.

Besides, the stereotype of women as being "morally virtuous" is really a form of "soft misogyny."

In fact, the stereotype of women being vengeful over the slightest infidelity also constitutes "soft misogyny."

Men can be just as toxic when they find out that their women are cheating on them, but they garner less sympathy. In general, society tends to find a "cuckold" to be more of a source of humor than of sympathy. "Your wife is cheating on you" is a commonplace taunt, and that taunt also tends to be a contributor to domestic violence. Calling men "cucks" because it sounds funny to say is just driving men to beating their wives black-and-blue over perceived infidelity, but people that think that this taunt is funny keep on doing it.

There is indeed such a thing as a paranoid, sexually frustrated woman that will do anything to find fault with her husband; however, those sorts of women are toxic heifers, and they really do not deserve anyone's sympathy. If they are dissatisfied with the relationship for reasons not related to infidelity, then they ought to consider experimenting with an open relationship, where they may date with other people. There is really no need to invent reasons for being dissatisfied when the bottom line is that one is dissatisfied. Instead of creating more problems, I find no fault with finding solutions.

Well I'm not talking about batshit crazy women here who fabricate evidence and stories and rip their husbands a new asshole through court. I'm talking about genuine good women who follow a bad gut feeling and find evidence in black and white for themselves that confirmed their suspicions, because the man never thought his wife would cotton on. I also never denied that women cheat or said that men cheat more, so no idea why you're going off on that tangent, I'm just responding in relation to the author's post. I'm actually anti-feminist so I don't mean any of my original reply in a feminist tone whatsoever. I'm a girl and I'm giving my perspective from that viewpoint as well as from experience as the author may not have considered what I said. I didn't even really bother reading your rant, just skimmed it a little, its irrelevant to my original response to the author, and its simply some advice, its not really up for debate.
 
@jellybean56 There are certain habits, in western culture, that I cannot help reacting to. My particular perspective makes some of the views that are normalized, in western culture, look bizarre and otherworldly. It is not really possible for me to convey an understanding of how some of these norms look to me, from a partly external perspective. When you were writing that, you could not have possibly been aware of how I, as an alien observer, would receive it. You are not really obligated to predict how someone from my own particular background sees things that are normal to you. It was mean-spirited and catty for me to poke fun at you based on the assumption that you could have reasonably been expected to know how I would receive it.

I therefore apologize for not being more courteous and sensitive toward you, and I promise that I will exercise better theory of mind in the future.
 
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