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Are there any car people on zooville? I couldn't find any car threads so I thought I would make one and see what happened. I had always been mostly into pre-84 muscle cars myself, but have gotten really into Fieros lately after buying my first one about a year and a half ago.
You want pre-1979. !980 was the year that the gov got stupid with ineffective pollution controls and started changing fuel.
 
More interested in the true muscle cars built between 1955 and 1971 myself, smog era cars might have the looks of their earlier counterparts but not the power unless modified.
 
More interested in the true muscle cars built between 1955 and 1971 myself, smog era cars might have the looks of their earlier counterparts but not the power unless modified.
There was no actual loss of horsepower. What happened was that part of the gov pollution regs forced the manufacturers to become honest with their horsepower ratings. Previously they had run engines on the dyno with open intake and exhaust, external electric oil and water pumps, racing fuel, and wide open. The last reading as the engine exploded was the rated horsepower for that year. The feds made them test as run in the customer's car and hold the output for 15 minutes.
 
There was no actual loss of horsepower. What happened was that part of the gov pollution regs forced the manufacturers to become honest with their horsepower ratings. Previously they had run engines on the dyno with open intake and exhaust, external electric oil and water pumps, racing fuel, and wide open. The last reading as the engine exploded was the rated horsepower for that year. The feds made them test as run in the customer's car and hold the output for 15 minutes.
There was quite a bit of power lost due to lower compression and cam profile changes, I've ran several pre and post smog engines on the dyno and the results are telling. And yes the new standards were much more reliable than the old gross power ratings.
 
I only put the cutoff day at '83 because one of my favorite cars is the Firebird and I actually liked all the years up to '83. There are cars that look decent with popup headlight, in my opinion the firebird isn't one of them. I've got a 72 Montego that Ive been working on since high school and am very close to getting it finished, but too many other projects have gotten in the way.
There was quite a bit of power lost due to lower compression and cam profile changes, I've ran several pre and post smog engines on the dyno and the results are telling. And yes the new standards were much more reliable than the old gross power ratings.
Really is too bad that leaded gasoline is so toxic, it did wonders for compression.
 
I enjoy vehicles. Got preferences in too many years. However, I'll definitely say that my favorite dream car to own is the Ford GT40 or a Boss 429.

(Ford guy at heart, but accepts all)
Ford made some real classics. Personalty I've always preferred the products of the offshoot companies: mercury, Pontiac, and Lincoln especially. I guess I like the weird stuff that you don't see as often.
 
I only put the cutoff day at '83 because one of my favorite cars is the Firebird and I actually liked all the years up to '83. There are cars that look decent with popup headlight, in my opinion the firebird isn't one of them. I've got a 72 Montego that Ive been working on since high school and am very close to getting it finished, but too many other projects have gotten in the way.

Really is too bad that leaded gasoline is so toxic, it did wonders for compression.
Modern fuel injection and engine management systems make leaded gasoline unnecessary, and there are other alternatives like water/methanol injection for high compression or boosted engines.

I run 14psi on a 10.1 to 1 compression 440 on pump gas, without water injection it wouldn't live more than a few seconds.
 
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Modern fuel injection and engine management systems make leaded gasoline unnecessary, and there are other alternatives like water/methanol injection for high compression or boosted engines.

I run 14psi on a 10.1 to 1 compression 440 on pump gas, without water injection it wouldn't live more than a few seconds.
That's really impressive, Ive always been scares of the concept of high compression boosted engines and always thought you should choose one or the other but that sounds fantastic. You mentioned dynos before, what kind of power does it make?
 
That's really impressive, Ive always been scares of the concept of high compression boosted engines and always thought you should choose one or the other but that sounds fantastic. You mentioned dynos before, what kind of power does it make?
618hp @ 5600 at the wheels when ran on a chassis dyno, might have made more but the clutch started slipping bad at that point and it was nearly revved out as well.
 
Are there any car people on zooville? I couldn't find any car threads so I thought I would make one and see what happened. I had always been mostly into pre-84 muscle cars myself, but have gotten really into Fieros lately after buying my first one about a year and a half ago.
I have the Fieros older brother, a Corvair Corsa Turbo, GMs first rear engined car and only air cooled flat six :giggle:
 
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Agh, that is so cool. I LOVE the concept of air cooled engines too, but that seems like an especially big hurdle for a mid engine car. Does the engine run pretty hot? Even my Fiero's dinky little Iron Duke 4 cylinder had an overheating problem until I replaced the thermostat with a lower temp (it also leaks exhaust like a sieve and has a few other problems, but the low-temp thermostat fixed the overheating issue). My eventual goal is to fit one of the Ecotech 4cyl engines from a Cadillac ATS.
 
Are there any car people on zooville? I couldn't find any car threads so I thought I would make one and see what happened. I had always been mostly into pre-84 muscle cars myself, but have gotten really into Fieros lately after buying my first one about a year and a half ago.
I've always wanted a 1984 oldsmobile cutlass supreme in dark red or burgundy with the 305 v8
 
Agh, that is so cool. I LOVE the concept of air cooled engines too, but that seems like an especially big hurdle for a mid engine car. Does the engine run pretty hot? Even my Fiero's dinky little Iron Duke 4 cylinder had an overheating problem until I replaced the thermostat with a lower temp (it also leaks exhaust like a sieve and has a few other problems, but the low-temp thermostat fixed the overheating issue). My eventual goal is to fit one of the Ecotech 4cyl engines from a Cadillac ATS.
425f is normal operating temperature for a Corvair, air cooled engines run hotter than liquid cooled ones and are harder to overheat due to the temperature difference between them and the air temp. If they get enough airflow that is, otherwise they overheat like crazy and the Corvair was designed to cool at 95hp, not the 180hp the turbo models have so they heat up quickly while on boost.

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I've always wanted a 1984 oldsmobile cutlass supreme in dark red or burgundy with the 305 v8
I went to school with a guy who had a thing for the Cutlass, he had inherited one from his grandfather. Notchbacks aren't really my thing (with the Fiero being one of few exceptions) but I respect the style.

425f is normal operating temperature for a Corvair, air cooled engines run hotter than liquid cooled ones and are harder to overheat due to the temperature difference between them and the air temp. If they get enough airflow that is, otherwise they overheat like crazy and the Corvair was designed to cool at 95hp, not the 180hp the turbo models have so they heat up quickly while on boost.
That's why I had wondered about overheating, them being mid-engined. Great for cornering, less so for airflow. That turbo model is no joke to be bumping up the horsepower that much.
 
I went to school with a guy who had a thing for the Cutlass, he had inherited one from his grandfather. Notchbacks aren't really my thing (with the Fiero being one of few exceptions) but I respect the style.


That's why I had wondered about overheating, them being mid-engined. Great for cornering, less so for airflow. That turbo model is no joke to be bumping up the horsepower that much.
The 180 horse turbo is just a 95 horse with ten pounds of boost, in stock form they would only make boost in 3rd and 4th gear to limit power output and heating, made them awesome for passing on the freeway though.
 
I would feel like the coolest guy in the world, passing someone in a Corvair with the Turbo wound up.
It would be the other way around if the Corvair is at full boost, while slow off the line they are insane once at highway speed. Or did you mean while driving the Corvair, if so yes it's awesome seeing the look on someone's face as you blow by.
 
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I love the looks you can get in a front end when you don't have to have a grill for the radiator. The Tesla's are a little reminiscent. I want to say I was looking at buying a corvair when I got my first project car, although it's been so long now that I cant remember for sure. I went through a whole lot of contacting people about their car for sale ads only to find out that they were sold already and they hadn't bothered to take the add down.
 
I like a little bit of everything when it comes to cars/trucks. I'm a die hard GM guy, old mopar stuff was great too. My heart melts for pre smog era hotrods but the new stuff can be ok. Just too many electronics and too expensive. I've never had the chance to buy a pre smog muscle car but I have a couple of projects. Once you delete everything smog related the 80's and 90's stuff can be cool. I have a late 90's chevy truck I LS swapped and just threw a good cam in that rips pretty good for what it is, probably go turbo over the winter. Also have a late 80's firebird that will be getting built in the future. Built that truck for less than I could buy something older for and I'll always love a genI small block but the LS engine is pretty good.
 
That engine sounds phenomenal, and TWENTY pounds of boost is nuts
Yeah a turbo Corvair sounds awesome, and that one is just plain nasty.

Mine is pretty far from stock itself now but not that wild, 15psi with larger modified turbo that will start making boost in low gear, just a fun and fast car to drive.
 
I like a little bit of everything when it comes to cars/trucks. I'm a die hard GM guy, old mopar stuff was great too. My heart melts for pre smog era hotrods but the new stuff can be ok. Just too many electronics and too expensive. I've never had the chance to buy a pre smog muscle car but I have a couple of projects. Once you delete everything smog related the 80's and 90's stuff can be cool. I have a late 90's chevy truck I LS swapped and just threw a good cam in that rips pretty good for what it is, probably go turbo over the winter. Also have a late 80's firebird that will be getting built in the future. Built that truck for less than I could buy something older for and I'll always love a genI small block but the LS engine is pretty good.

I've never worked with them myself, but I'm led to believe that you can't go wrong with and LS swap. That's actually one of the more popular Fiero swaps so I've read into it a little. I agree, I hate electronics. The little Japanese cars from the 90s are so reliable and fuel efficient that I put up with the computers but I really prefer the car to "think" as little as possible. Can't argue with the results from a fuel injector though.

Yeah a turbo Corvair sounds awesome, and that one is just plain nasty.

Mine is pretty far from stock itself now but not that wild, 15psi with larger modified turbo that will start making boost in low gear, just a fun and fast car to drive.
That's where I'm going with the Fiero. I swapped an overbored, high compression 460 into my Montego to be my big, loud, gas guzzling hotrod, but the Fiero has to stay mild enough to drive the 45 minutes to work everyday and go just fast enough to have fun doing it.
 
I've never worked with them myself, but I'm led to believe that you can't go wrong with and LS swap. That's actually one of the more popular Fiero swaps so I've read into it a little. I agree, I hate electronics. The little Japanese cars from the 90s are so reliable and fuel efficient that I put up with the computers but I really prefer the car to "think" as little as possible. Can't argue with the results from a fuel injector though.


That's where I'm going with the Fiero. I swapped an overbored, high compression 460 into my Montego to be my big, loud, gas guzzling hotrod, but the Fiero has to stay mild enough to drive the 45 minutes to work everyday and go just fast enough to have fun doing it.
Sounds like my turbocharged 440 in my horse hauler, fuel mileage was not a concern, just brute power. Could have gone turbo diesel but I wanted something different. The Corvair is my play toy, mileage is decent if I can keep my foot out of the four barrel :cool:

My other toy is my Charger 440, just a 400hp pump gas friendly engine in a otherwise pure stock car. For long trips I have a modified 300sdl Mercedes.
 
I like a little bit of everything when it comes to cars/trucks. I'm a die hard GM guy, old mopar stuff was great too. My heart melts for pre smog era hotrods but the new stuff can be ok. Just too many electronics and too expensive. I've never had the chance to buy a pre smog muscle car but I have a couple of projects. Once you delete everything smog related the 80's and 90's stuff can be cool. I have a late 90's chevy truck I LS swapped and just threw a good cam in that rips pretty good for what it is, probably go turbo over the winter. Also have a late 80's firebird that will be getting built in the future. Built that truck for less than I could buy something older for and I'll always love a genI small block but the LS engine is pretty good.
A turbocharged LS is a monster, no matter what it's in (y)

If I ever get around to it I want to swap a hellcat hemi and 6spd into a '68 Barracuda fastback, why? Because I can :cool:
 
I've never worked with them myself, but I'm led to believe that you can't go wrong with and LS swap. That's actually one of the more popular Fiero swaps so I've read into it a little. I agree, I hate electronics. The little Japanese cars from the 90s are so reliable and fuel efficient that I put up with the computers but I really prefer the car to "think" as little as possible. Can't argue with the results from a fuel injector though.


That's where I'm going with the Fiero. I swapped an overbored, high compression 460 into my Montego to be my big, loud, gas guzzling hotrod, but the Fiero has to stay mild enough to drive the 45 minutes to work everyday and go just fast enough to have fun doing it.
I don't think you can go wrong with an LS, they're super cheap if you can find a good one out of the junkyard. That's all I did and even with a big cam and stall converter I drive it daily to work on drag radials like 40 minutes each way. Gets about the same gas mileage as my newer truck that's still stock if I don't get on it too. A cam only LS in a fiero would be gobs of fun and still plenty driveable. Not to mention really fast and cool! The efi isn't a big deal, can tune it yourself or just take it somewhere. Holley's efi is super easy to use. Or, put a carb on it lol. I too put down many miles in 90's imports, they just don't die. That Montego sounds like a fun ride!
 
A turbocharged LS is a monster, no matter what it's in (y)

If I ever get around to it I want to swap a hellcat hemi and 6spd into a '68 Barracuda fastback, why? Because I can :cool:
Oh yeah! I love naturally aspirated stuff but a boosted LS is just becoming too much to resist, especially since I put it in a heavy truck lol. Always chasing more and it'll probably handle it anyway.

I love those old Barracuda's! Beautiful cars. A swap like that would be awesome! Probably plenty wrecked hellcat powertrains sitting in the local u pull it yards by now also. Pretty sure Holley makes plug and play efi for those now too. Be a pretty easy swap aside from mounts. Be so much fun! Need another speedy manual trans car in my life.

Also, was wondering if you were using that boosted 440 for a toy or a hauler. That's a cool and unique hauler forsure!
 
Oh yeah! I love naturally aspirated stuff but a boosted LS is just becoming too much to resist, especially since I put it in a heavy truck lol. Always chasing more and it'll probably handle it anyway.

I love those old Barracuda's! Beautiful cars. A swap like that would be awesome! Probably plenty wrecked hellcat powertrains sitting in the local u pull it yards by now also. Pretty sure Holley makes plug and play efi for those now too. Be a pretty easy swap aside from mounts. Be so much fun! Need another speedy manual trans car in my life.

Also, was wondering if you were using that boosted 440 for a toy or a hauler. That's a cool and unique hauler forsure!
Yeah trucks can generally handle extra power without much issue, like mine being a one ton nothing in the driveline needed to be upgraded to take the abuse.

Pretty much everything needed to swap a new hemi into a A-body mopar is available now, and I'd definitely go with a plug and play harness after the last obd2 swap I did myself.

It a big, old and heavy truck that's a blast to drive, I actually drive it pretty much daily, it's not fun to park but newer trucks are just as large nowadays.
 
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