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Can animals consent?

From my experience, I can only speak to one animal (dogs) and really only the males.
But I feel very confident in saying that a male dog who is invited to have sex, or even decides that he will initiate or "ask" for sex, from a female human is 100% demonstrating not just consent, but intent.
And it's beautiful to see.
 
Some antis should see the one male dog from a visitor I had. I think its the price I pay for giving him lots of attention, he barks, and then tries to grab me to get me down. "No more hand jobs, time to use your ass!" I'd like to see someone try to train a dog to do that. It's like they think dogs don't have a brain at all.
 
This topic has been discussed numerous times and places here on the forum the simple answer is yes but the self-righteous, arrogant, idiots, that are unable to grasp this fact likely never will. They're too blinded by their egos and ignorance. Then there is the matter of 'consent' to being murdered for their flesh but that's okay according to the vast majority of humankind. ZERO logic in that skewed perspective but then most humans are master hypocrites anyway...
 
If animals "can't consent". Then all of nature including animal breeding is unethical. They can't have the cake and eat it too.

It stems to their input/feedback on what they go for to ask.
 
if an animal doesn't want to have sex with you, you'll know.
if an animal does, you'll know.

non-human animals are a lot more direct with us due to the fact they also understand the language barriers, they make their body language more obvious.
 
Texasmonkeyboy_210 said:
I think they can.

Anti zoos say that animals can't consent the way humans do. But what about when a male animal is doing the mounting?
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My zoo experiences have actually been with dolphins. And trust me if a BND dose not have interest in doing things... they just don't lol. They can be jerks and buttheads. I worked around them for many years as a non trainer. I spent my time building trust with them to be able to explore the possibilities of play. Once they figured out what I was doing let me tell you they were -eager- to play around. It's an 400+lb animal in the water, there is 0% chance of getting them to do anything they don't want to do. There also was no food rewards ever involved just a casual relationship. Also... dolphin teeth are sharp as fuck, been raked once when I was not paying enough attention to one of them and he wanted my attention
 
Not sure if I've already said this here...
Firstly, in the strictly legalistic sense, consent is meaningless and entirely non-applicable to animals because you can't make and enforce a contract with an animal.
When a human consents to something, then ideally they have now explicitly taken on a share of the responsibility for the consequences of that thing for themselves.
Because of the differential in power and status between a human and an animal, the human always has to remain 100% responsible for the consequences for an animal of anything they do with the animal. I just can't think of an exception.
We have to take 100% responsibility for protecting the animal from harm by paying attention to what the animal is telling us about it's feelings, as well as what we know about any future consequences that it might not have the cognitive apparatus to apprehend.
This is not just to do with sex, it is to do with medical treatment, housing, feeding, training, everything. In a human world humans are entirely responsible for the animals they interact with. Therefore the legal concept of consent is meaningless and only the concepts of harm vs welfare are relevant.
 
humperwumper said:
Not sure if I've already said this here...
Firstly, in the strictly legalistic sense, consent is meaningless and entirely non-applicable to animals because you can't make and enforce a contract with an animal.
When a human consents to something, then ideally they have now explicitly taken on a share of the responsibility for the consequences of that thing for themselves.
Because of the differential in power and status between a human and an animal, the human always has to remain 100% responsible for the consequences for an animal of anything they do with the animal. I just can't think of an exception.
We have to take 100% responsibility for protecting the animal from harm by paying attention to what the animal is telling us about it's feelings, as well as what we know about any future consequences that it might not have the cognitive apparatus to apprehend.
This is not just to do with sex, it is to do with medical treatment, housing, feeding, training, everything. In a human world humans are entirely responsible for the animals they interact with. Therefore the legal concept of consent is meaningless and only the concepts of harm vs welfare are relevant.
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I can't think of a more mature thing than..... If they cannot consent to sex then they shouldn't "consent" to be slaughtered / experimented etc etc all the horrible crimes against nature Humanity does to them.

At the very end of the day it's their choice to accept or deny. (Assuming of course the handler isn't ingraining it into their head)
 
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Reconscope said:
I can't of a more mature thing than..... If they cannot consent to sex then they shouldn't "consent" to be slaughtered / experimented etc etc all the horrible crimes against nature Humanity does to them.

At the very end of the day it's their choice to accept or deny. (Assuming of course the handler isn't ingraining it into their head)
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I agree, animals can definitely make and communicate their own choices.
 
Renee said:
As a lifelong horseman, I think most stallions will be that way until they know they can mate with a human. Even then it will likely take multiple times. Stallions can often masturbate themselves, thudding an erection up against their belly. They might enjoy some stroking, but usually that's from starting with a semi that's just hanging, or they drop with a sheath rub. Essentially, I'm saying that they don't yet know what's possible. Donkeys on the the other hand, they.... they might hop right up even at unexpected times.

Stallions mount dummies every day to have their semen collected. I don't think the start of mating with a human is much different. The association needs to be made first with surroundings, etc.... and mare scent is usually always involved, unless skilled loving hands are present and very adept.
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I think you hit the mark on this...
 
Texasmonkeyboy_210 said:
I think they can.

Anti zoos say that animals can't consent the way humans do. But what about when a male animal is doing the mounting?
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of course they can't talk unless it is Mr Ed or Nemo....kkkk, most can be trained to be sexually active with you, some come by accident to want to do it with you, some there is no way...but overall, once the experience happens there usually develops an eagerness to participate, and in some cases, they initiate and can be quite persistent too ..folks, sex is universal and I doubt it if an animal is embarrassed by it, we are the dumbasses about it. This applies to female as well as male animals
 
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