But... I'm not "broken"

[RotGerShep]

Yet... it has so little impact on *our* sex lives, my wife's and mine. We do what we do. Ain't no fed cameras watching us. No one comes in *our* bedroom. Makes little difference one way or the other to us. We don't "out" ourselves in ways that zoo-hostiles could be satisfied.

Who *needs* society to "approve" this? Seems to me, only those that want to flaunt it. It's the couple who have a falling out, and one reports the other. Or those who have a need to post it online.

We have threesomes, foursomes, group, and more -- and never invite attraction to it. We fuck dogs and other animals, so what. The general public doesn't need to know what we do behind closed doors.

So... who needs public approval? Remind me. Must be someone who needs permission to marry an animal or... fuck one in the street.

If it's about getting arrested for jumping fences? -- I'm behind that one. If you didn't get shot, I at least want your ass in jail for a long while.

It's about feeling confined. I don't want to marry my furry or anything like that. I would like to tell my bestie about the love I have without fear of disapproval or reprisal. I can understand how some people don't mind hiding but I like to talk and express my feelings.

 

[Tgzoogirl]

This is their feeble attempt at denying that zoophilia and bestiality can be AND are a part of human sexuality. (Possibly even normal sexuality as through curiosity and exploration!)

But their denial of it hides behind the facade of pseudoscience, because if they actually acknowledged that bestiality is just a part of sexuality itself their whole fucking argument falls apart. It gets exposed for the fraud that it is. And they can't have that.

Nor would their egos handle it. They'd sooner rationalize their viewpoints than realize that they are biased. (Because I am a "scientist" I am smarter than you AND it gives me the "credibility" to make others believe what I say as true!)

Their arguments against other sexualities that are taboo like family love is equally bad when we take into account the entirety of human sexuality. It's just the paradigms of a fear focused society that's always out shame on us for having sexual feelings that so many struggle with their own sexuality.

If people didn't get turned on by what turns them on, nobody would be born with that kind of neurology. It's the same for the entire LGBTQ spectrum. If people like me weren't wired to be the way we are, then it wouldn't happen. Since people like me are born with the innate neurowiring that I happen to have, and neurowiring is innate to us...

Then it's normal for some of us to have the specialities that we have. Even these very taboo ones.

 

[Tgzoogirl]

I bet it's a lot higher than people think.

It's like this for all the -philias. (Did I use that term right?) They are all much more common than society wants to admit.

 

[Zoo50]

Who *needs* society to "approve" this? Seems to me, only those that want to flaunt it. It's the couple who have a falling out, and one reports the other. Or those who have a need to post it online.

Approval would have a lot of benefits. For example, anti-zoo documentaries (like the one you talked about in the original post) would be less common. Zoos could openly discuss their sexual orientation with others, without needing to hide. Zoos could be honest with their veterinarians. There might even be a chance of anti-zoo laws being challenged.

 

[Pillar]

So... who needs public approval? Remind me. Must be someone who needs permission to marry an animal or... fuck one in the street.

If it's about getting arrested for jumping fences? -- I'm behind that one. If you didn't get shot, I at least want your ass in jail for a long while.

My only issue here is if someone gets outed for having animal sex in their own private lives then gets outed they face a ruined life, if not forced imprisonment. Look at Cannibal Cupcake, look at Amy Graves, look at Juan Pablo Tschen. They are just a few people whose lives have been ruined because of anti-bestiality "law." This is part of the reason some people hide. It's the same reason why some people have to use a proxy or VPN to connect to this site.

Now as far as anyone wanting to be "out there", I'd imagine people looking for others who are also into bestiality. Imagine if bestiality was still never "outlawed" and there was a tinder for beast sex. Putting a profile on there, if you're interested, would certainly put you "out", but with beast sex legal you wouldn't have to worry about your life being fucked. Regardless of whether society approved of it or not, there wouldn't be any negative "legal" consequences.

(I apologize if this isn't totally legible or understandable right now, I'm not feeling too good and am in a hurry.)

 

[FloofyNewfie]

Can surveys be anonymous? Like when they call you on the phone.

*Ring ring ring*

"Hello"

"Hi this is Emily from the National Polling Society. Can I ask you a few questions?"

"I guess?"

"Thank you. Question number one... Have you ever in your lifetime had any sexual contact with an animal?"

"Jesus fucking Christ! What the fuck kind of question is that??"

*Click.*

 

[egoldstein]

I also don't really fit the narrative, I had some issues growing up, like just about everyone. I have always been good at making friends, never had any shortage of people trying to get horizontal with me, no issues with creepy uncles, etc. I don't have anything against my fellow humans, I try to love everyone - even the asshats who probably don't deserve it, I just don't find them sexually appealing.

I also don't really give too many shits what others think about it as it's a private affair. I don't fuck in the yard and neither do my neighbors, if either of us did I'd expect problems. Neither do we go around knocking on each-other's doors describing our sex lives, that's a big DO NOT WANT from everyone.

I do wish the legal problems weren't there though because it can cause problems getting appropriate healthcare to beloved partners for issues you can't easily explain to the vet. Found a small lump in your bitch's vagina and it seems to be growing? That's a hard line to walk getting the vet to "find" it without telling them where and what to look for without destroying your life and the dog's; it's a shit-show.

 

[Pillar]

Neither do we go around knocking on each-other's doors describing our sex lives, that's a big DO NOT WANT from everyone.

Not me! I'd be more than happy to talk with my neighbors if they were comfortable with it! And if you've ever had swingers as neighbors then you probably already know, heheh.

 

[BlueBeard]

Not me! I'd be more than happy to talk with my neighbors if they were comfortable with it! And if you've ever had swingers as neighbors then you probably already know, heheh.

Well... our neighbors "suppose" but the only way they could "know" is if they were invited and took part. That said, one neighbor *did* know. He'd been at our swinger parties every once in a while (begins with "take over" of bar, same bar he regularly frequented). And he'd even been with my wife a couple times. He just didn't know where we lived until he was moving furniture in right next door to us -- with his four kids and his longtime wife that he'd denied having (always said he was single, no kids).

Um. He was *extremely* nervous when we came over, welcomed him to the neighborhood and asked if we could help -- introduced ourselves to his wife and talked with his kids.

First chance he got that week, he anxiously sidled up to us, voice low, saying he doesn't "do that anymore." Asked please never talk about it. That's all. He didn't mention what "that" was, and we knew he was lying. He'd joined our online swing group, and he was a several-times-a-day visitor there -- with four different profiles. He was working the site hard but he didn't know we knew he had profiles on it.

Sometimes, yep, you *do* know! LOL

(Within a year he moved his family away. We knew he felt relief to get away from us, knowing his "secret" -- but that wasn't the primary reason. And we felt MUCH more relief than he did that he left town. The cops were on his tail, watching him, turning up the heat. Turns out he was also a meth dealer and they hoping to grab him).

-- Oh, the secrets your neighbors have trouble keeping hidden!

 

[IHO]

Just watched a troubling documentary on zoophilia.

Sorry if it was listed here somewhere and I'm just overlooking it, but which documentary? I'd like to see it. I'm very much into reading and viewing anything related to my sexuality, whether it's bigoted or not.

 

[BlueBeard]

Sorry if it was listed here somewhere and I'm just overlooking it, but which documentary? I'd like to see it. I'm very much into reading and viewing anything related to my sexuality, whether it's bigoted or not.

I don't remember. I'd been looking at a variety of zoo-related "films" or documentaries or whatever. Last one was revisiting "Animal Passions," but... I don't think that's it.

 

[220licco]

A new method of taking political polls that supposedly is more accurate than directly asking someone who they will vote for, is to ask someone who they think their neighbor or best friend will vote for, that way, they usually say what they actually feel, avoiding the negative opinions on them, it shifts it to the neighbor or friend who was never specified. I think this could work for zoo polls, since even if they know their neighbor or friend isn't into it, they might say they were to represent themselves, while not outing themselves or anyone else in specific.

 

[Tailo]

A new method of taking political polls that supposedly is more accurate than directly asking someone who they will vote for, is to ask someone who they think their neighbor or best friend will vote for, that way, they usually say what they actually feel, avoiding the negative opinions on them, it shifts it to the neighbor or friend who was never specified. I think this could work for zoo polls, since even if they know their neighbor or friend isn't into it, they might say they were to represent themselves, while not outing themselves or anyone else in specific.

If someone asked me whether I think my neighbour had sex with an animal I'd say no, probably not, because that is what I think.

 

[Tgzoogirl]

*Ring ring ring*

"Hello"

"Hi this is Emily from the National Polling Society. Can I ask you a few questions?"

"I guess?"

"Thank you. Question number one... Have you ever in your lifetime had any sexual contact with an animal?"

"Jesus fucking Christ! What the fuck kind of question is that??"

*Click.*

I actually got a call like that years ago when I was a teenager. Only they wanted to know if I ever had sex with family. I said yes and they were like "Really?" and "Are you serious?" and "Uh... No more questions." and they hung up.

It made me laugh to fuck with them like that.

 

[220licco]

If someone asked me whether I think my neighbour had sex with an animal I'd say no, probably not, because that is what I think.

It has it's flaws too, there's no perfect way to get statistics, but when tried, this method worked better than asking directly. It works best for things people would not want to admit to. I'm not sure if we'll ever really know what percentage of the population is zoo, it's not a lot from what I can tell.

 

[AmantePerro]

I am zoo because the animals are good.

 

[Bluephoenyx]

It's about feeling confined. I don't want to marry my furry or anything like that. I would like to tell my bestie about the love I have without fear of disapproval or reprisal. I can understand how some people don't mind hiding but I like to talk and express my feelings.

i get your point there, and it's hard, maybe you could give her hints someday, but still, it's too risky.

 

[Zoo50]

My only issue here is if someone gets outed for having animal sex in their own private lives then gets outed they face a ruined life, if not forced imprisonment. Look at Cannibal Cupcake, look at Amy Graves, look at Juan Pablo Tschen. They are just a few people whose lives have been ruined because of anti-bestiality "law." This is part of the reason some people hide. It's the same reason why some people have to use a proxy or VPN to connect to this site.

What's scary is that some people's lives have been ruined even when there were no anti-zoo laws at all (they were charged under "animal cruelty" laws). A man in Ohio and a man in New Hampshire both had their lives ruined (both were arrested under "animal cruelty" laws, for having sex with animals) -- both of these people were arrested before either state had even made a specific anti-zoo law.

 

[Pillar]

What's scary is that some people's lives have been ruined even when there were no anti-zoo laws at all (they were charged under "animal cruelty" laws). A man in Ohio and a man in New Hampshire both had their lives ruined (both were arrested under "animal cruelty" laws, for having sex with animals) -- both of these people were arrested before either state had even made a specific anti-zoo law.

Those "laws" that they add only make for harsher "punishments".

 

[Tgzoogirl]

Sometimes I feel broken. Not necessarily about my kinks, but that does rise up on occassion... But more in just my daily life and dealing with social situations.

I just experienced my first true ghosting on here. Good convo, so I thought. Then poof. Deleted convo and blocked and I can't for the life of me understand why. Especially in this case the other person was the dirtier, kinkier minded one.

Anytime that happens it triggers a lot of bad memories. Triggers abuse from my parents, triggers how often something in society that ended up me feeling ostracized happened like firings from jobs, relationship break ups. Etc.

It's partly why I've gone through phases where I avoid ever talking to people online and definitely why I tend to avoid social media.

 

[ezbrz]

Sometimes I feel broken. Not necessarily about my kinks, but that does rise up on occassion... But more in just my daily life and dealing with social situations.

I just experienced my first true ghosting on here. Good convo, so I thought. Then poof. Deleted convo and blocked and I can't for the life of me understand why. Especially in this case the other person was the dirtier, kinkier minded one.

Anytime that happens it triggers a lot of bad memories. Triggers abuse from my parents, triggers how often something in society that ended up me feeling ostracized happened like firings from jobs, relationship break ups. Etc.

It's partly why I've gone through phases where I avoid ever talking to people online and definitely why I tend to avoid social media.

That's really shitty, I'm sorry that happened to you.

 

[thatdude]

I'd have to agree to an extent. Sexuality and fetishes can be dictated by past experiences in childhood, but it's not always obvious, and sometimes it really is just different wiring from the get-go. I was awkward as a kid and teenager, did get bullied, and had a very high libido, but that describes maybe half of everyone's childhood experiences at the VERY least?

I think the very first time I saw pictures and videos of zoo was from C700, and just like with straight, gay, and trans porn, I wasn't disgusted by it, but was very intrigued and aroused. For me, I think it's honestly just the way my brain is wired.

 

[ezbrz]

I'd have to agree to an extent. Sexuality and fetishes can be dictated by past experiences in childhood, but it's not always obvious, and sometimes it really is just different wiring from the get-go. I was awkward as a kid and teenager, did get bullied, and had a very high libido, but that describes maybe half of everyone's childhood experiences at the VERY least?

I think the very first time I saw pictures and videos of zoo was from C700, and just like with straight, gay, and trans porn, I wasn't disgusted by it, but was very intrigued and aroused. For me, I think it's honestly just the way my brain is wired.

I'm 3 for 3 on the features you picked out of your own childhood. If anything, it may indeed predispose some individuals a bit more.

I'm of the school of thought that at key moments during our sexual development, we're highly susceptible to imprinting on specific types of fantasy or situations, e.g. some folks having a predilection for a specific body type modeled after someone from an important relationship. Combine that with the proper social predisposition, and perhaps a genetic preference to be more aroused by taboo kinks, and that'd be the perfect storm to end up fixed on a specific kink beyond the mainstream.

 

[thatdude]

I'm 3 for 3 on the features you picked out of your own childhood. If anything, it may indeed predispose some individuals a bit more.

I'm of the school of thought that at key moments during our sexual development, we're highly susceptible to imprinting on specific types of fantasy or situations, e.g. some folks having a predilection for a specific body type modeled after someone from an important relationship. Combine that with the proper social predisposition, and perhaps a genetic preference to be more aroused by taboo kinks, and that'd be the perfect storm to end up fixed on a specific kink beyond the mainstream.

Yeah, I can definitely see that. Were your parents religious and divorced as well? Make it 5 for 5 ? /s

 

[ezbrz]

Yeah, I can definitely see that. Were your parents religious and divorced as well? Make it 5 for 5 ? /s

Well that's where we diverge I guess! They're secular and still happily married. I mentioned in another thread part of the reason why I ended up getting interested. Can't win em all, eh?

For the "imprinting" I alluded to, it'd be a specific image off of KaZaa (sp?) with a pornstar with a German shepherd mounted over her, and Carrie Fisher (Leia) 's face photoshopped onto the body (for some reason). Was 11-12 or so, and it came up looking for porn pics at my buddy's place with him and his older brother, and would've been my first exposure to the concept of animals having sex with humans.