Are all you folks already on the new forum (Zoocadia)?

amorousdog5 said:
This is pretty much the only true thing in your post. You've made a bunch of wild claims about veganism. Fine. Prove them. Give me verifiable scientific studies that back up your claim that the average person cannot sustain veganism without tremendous cost to themself.
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Why the heck would I need a 'scientific study' to show that which anybody whom has ever gone to the store can see?

Animal-based products provide greater nutrient density and quality than vegetable matter, this much is something nobody can disagree with.
Animal-based products receive subsidies in most developed nations due to the above.

And surely you are aware that there's more than one kind of 'protein'?
The labels on food products don't define what kinds of proteins there are in a food nor their quality, only telling you how much there is by quantity.
You don't need a study to know this. You just need a moment to consider the fact and realize it's true.

Processed foods are often composed of very basic proteins and other nutrients...
You can find a single plant providing the ingredients for more heavily processed foods of all sorts, from pies and nuggets to pasta and pizza.
These ingredients are essentially pre-digested by virtue of just how much they've been separated, melted down, 'refined' and slopped about.

The problem with many alternatives to animal-based products is they tend to be more processed in nature...
And for those plant-based foods which aren't, they typically include so much fiber that the bio-availability of all present nutrients drop. Worse, the more fiber you intake, the less efficient your body becomes in absorption thereof such that it can easily leave you bloated and paradoxically malnourished.

If you don't believe this, search for it yourself... It's not terribly difficult to find the results. It's a fairly well-known issue with fiber-heavy diets.
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

The Role of Dietary Fiber in the Bioaccessibility and Bioavailability of Fruit and Vegetable Antioxidants

Antioxidants are abundant compounds primarily found in fresh fruits and vegetables, and evidence for their role in the prevention of degenerative diseases is continuously emerging. However, the bioaccessibility and bioavailability of each compound differs ...
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Soluble Dietary Fiber, One of the Most Important Nutrients for the Gut Microbiota

Dietary fiber is a widely recognized nutrient for human health. Previous studies proved that dietary fiber has significant implications for gastrointestinal health by regulating the gut microbiota. Moreover, mechanistic research showed that the physiological ...
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www.intechopen.com

Dietary Fiber and Availability of Nutrients: A Case Study on Yoghurt as a Food Model

Open access peer-reviewed chapter
www.intechopen.com www.intechopen.com

Anyhow... As for the more processed foods, the body seems to have issues with them simply because they're so heavily processed, typically resulting in obesity alongside nutrient deficiencies.

And finally, a personal note... Some people simply cannot survive on a vegan diet as they can't break down alternative sources of protein or iron properly. My own family can neither afford a vegan diet nor survive on it due to the above issue as regards iron.
 
Repreive said:
Why the heck would I need a 'scientific study' to show that which anybody whom has ever gone to the store can see?
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So basically you're not able to back up your claim, and you linked a bunch of irrelevant stuff that doesn't in any way support your claim. I think we're done. :gsd_happysmile:
 
I still haven't figured out what the motivation is for a vegan to keep desperately pushing his religion (or perhaps delusion would be a better word) on everybody else when it's been made clear that the only one who cares even a little bit is the vegan, and all he's doing is pissing off the people he's supposedly trying to convert.

One of these days, I'd like an actual explanation of that behavior. Probably ain't ever gonna happen, but one can hope...

(Of course, the same can be said of ANY political/religious proselytizer - Regardless of what it is they're pushing, it seems that until things turn ugly as home-made sin, they never seem to get the message that their best move is to shut up and walk away from the subject. Even then, some of them are too stupid to figure out they're doing nothing to advance (and are, in many cases, actively HARMING) their cause until the situation reaches the point where they're taking physical damage)
 
amorousdog5 said:
Anyone I know? You do of course realize I am not vegan, and that I have not been advocating veganism?
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I was looking at/thinking of the banana-fucking-a-bagel critter's recent harping on the idea of veganism. If he's NOT a vegan, he's sure showing all the signs, and proselytizing like he is one...
 
I, as a person living in agriculture. You are aware of the fact that the mechanical production of plants, soil work, chemical spraying, without which there would be 1/10 of crops, how many animals die?
Last week, a foxhole broke under my tractor. It probably crushed the whole family to death. During the harvesting of plants, many animals die, because not all of them run away, but hide and we are not seen when the machine drives through them, fox, rabbit, roe deer, hedgehog, spermophilus etc. The grain is usually full of dead lizards, snakes, and grasshoppers.
This veggie thing is just as much crap as an electric car that is powered by a coal plant. If you like vegetables, you eat them. But don't guess that this is mandatory and the future and don't make mental terror in other people.
 
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I'm going to have to agree that there's really no good reason to be vegan. Some people claim it makes them feel healthier or gives them more energy, but I'd just as soon chalk that up to placebo effect. Some people do it for ethical reasons, which is subjective so... whatever. They can do what they want.

However, even if I'm not a fan, I won't allow people to spew blatantly false bullshit either. Reprieve's original argument was "You need meat to live." After I conclusively disproved that, he back-peddled to, "Ok, you don't need meat to live, but if you stay on a vegan diet for decades it will take a tremendous toll on the average person." I asked him to back up what he was saying with any kind of proof, and he wasn't able to. Bullshit debunked.
 
Wolfspirit said:
Just a quick PSA (on my own accord) for any of you unaware, some of the Zooville mods got together and created a new zoo forum (which is pretty active) that is designed more for real zoos and to better keep out the fetishists, bestialists, kinksters and zoosadists that websites like this unfortunately tend to attract. If you understand the difference between those terms and you fully identify as a zooromantic, zoophile or zoosexual zoophile, come on and join the growing pack!

Zoocadia.net
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Nope
 
Yeah, no thanks... The delusions of grandeur in some members here towards those who partake in the porn section is already high enough.

I can only imagine the levels of own fart sniffing over there. 😆

I had a quick browse of the threads though and literally every thread there already exists here so what's the point?.. but have fun over there I guess you superior beings you.
 
MashaSobaka said:
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In all honesty my posts about Zoocadia have just been a little trollolol to try ruffle some feathers for my own entertainment but seems like nobody cares enough to take the bait or everyone's already over at Zoocadia anyway as most of the threads are dead around here...

Anyway, you can keep your superior being title if you'd like though. 😛
 
LustyGSD said:
In all honesty my posts about Zoocadia have just been a little trollolol to try ruffle some feathers for my own entertainment but seems like nobody cares enough to take the bait or everyone's already over at Zoocadia anyway as most of the threads are dead around here...
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ZCA will definitely be an "elite" place, even if they deny it. By keeping fetishists and porn off limits, they are home to a "gentleman" class.
Drinking beer in a pub and drinking whiskey with a cigar in a high-class place is equally alcoholism, but you will still be one of the elite. ZCA is also elite. Those who do not like this do not register. All the others are just envy, because people don't like that another zoo forum grew up so quickly and easily.
I'm not a fan of tying everyone together like brainless libeseez. People do need everyone to assert themselves in their own group, own places. And this requires several forums. A very good example of this is that dozens of members deleted their accounts here and moved there.
 
LustyGSD said:
In all honesty my posts about Zoocadia have just been a little trollolol to try ruffle some feathers for my own entertainment but seems like nobody cares enough to take the bait or everyone's already over at Zoocadia anyway as most of the threads are dead around here...

Anyway, you can keep your superior being title if you'd like though. 😛
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No, many ate on both.

Personally I won't take any bait cause... everyone is entitled to his/her own opinion as they see it.
... even wrong ones 😛

Anyone not trying something just cause some anonymous person says it is not good and who does not explore and get an opinion of their own, they are just fine wherever they already are, for what I care.
So, not bad to have some trolling. It is also a filter
 
Goattobeloved said:
No, many ate on both.

Personally I won't take any bait cause... everyone is entitled to his/her own opinion as they see it.
... even wrong ones 😛

Anyone not trying something just cause some anonymous person says it is not good and who does not explore and get an opinion of their own, they are just fine wherever they already are, for what I care.
So, not bad to have some trolling. It is also a filter
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Ohh really lol, well no harm meant, just ignore my dumb ass.

I fully understand why it exists, I remember even back in the BF days there was talk about the promised lands of a forum space without all the smut and pfp dick pics and it's cool that it exists now. I was fairly active on BF since 2009 right up to it closed, user name "beastkid23", I haven't been as active on ZV as I'd like.


Anyway, sorry again... or am I
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