While I appreciate this from you, I'm puzzled as to why I haven't heard a single peep from the mods. I have combed through the rules many times and I have found nothing about not posting about having sex with a dog that's less than 12 months old. If you know where that is, I'd love to see that.
Thank you,
SaltyDog...
12 month old is not considered breeding age in dogs.
If we actually take the time and look up the word "prepubescent" you will find that, when a mammal has their 1st estrus, they are no longer deemed "prepubescent". And if any female dog is left to her own devices, they will mate with a male dog without objection and become pregnant. This is life.
www.zoovilleforum.net
It says BREEDING AGE.If we actually take the time and look up the word "prepubescent" you will find that, when a mammal has their 1st estrus, they are no longer deemed "prepubescent". And if any female dog is left to her own devices, they will mate with a male dog without objection and become pregnant. This is life.
Please do not misunderstand my statements, above. If the rules are not to post about having sex with a dog that's less than 12 months old... fine, I'm happy to comply. But, as you can clearly see, the rules do not state this. I would never knowingly break any of the rules posted here at ZV. This rule MUST be clarified. IMHO.
SaltyDog...
www.goddardvetgroup.co.uk
I noticed this also. Floofy gave an explanation when I asked him about it:
Is it ok to have sex with a female dog during her first heat, or should you wait for the second?
Personally I'm against this for both ethical and practical reasons. What do people think about this?
But these are "discussions" within threads. So someone has to comb through tens of thousands of these threads to find whatever "discussions" that may be applied as a new rule? Really? This makes no sense.It says BREEDING AGE.
Just because a dog CAN breed, doesn[t mean they SHOULD breed. Humans enter puberty between 10 and 13, they shouldn't be having kids then. Having sex with a dog soon after puberty is the same as having sex with a human right after puberty. They may be physically developed, but not mentally, and not fully physically either.
Should I breed from my bitch? - Goddard Veterinary Group
Deciding whether or not to breed from a pet can be really hard; and it’s very easy to talk yourself into doing something that you later regret…! So in this blog, we’ll look at some of the things you have to consider when breeding from a pet bitch… Are her genes good enough to preserve? […]
The first thing to consider is her age – as a rule of thumb, dogs start their seasons in their second year of life; however, this is really variable – especially between breeds, as giant breed dogs are much slower to reach maturity than small breeds are. Generally speaking, however, it is never wise to breed a bitch for the first time under 1 year of age and over 7. For most dogs, however, 2 years of age is the safe minimum.
No. That's from the rules stating "Breeding Age", and a veterinary website defining acceptable breeding age for dogs.
Once again... way too thin of an argument. "Rules" must always be clearly spelled out, especially when serious repercussions like deletion of an entire thread is at stake. Plus, there are 2 things that are very different as they apply here. 1st, no veterinarian that I know would ever agree to have their views to apply to sexual interactions between humans and dogs... and 2nd, these views on "acceptable breeding ages for dogs" is because of the resulting pregnancy, and last I checked, no human male can get a dog pregnant.
You can find it here.
So, by your own post, it is plain to see that you do agree that "...10 months..." is OK. After all, you are an administrator, right? My dog was more than 10 months old. And if your other moderator needs a copy of all my veterinary records of my dog, giving dates and birth records provided by the people that sold me the dog, I can easily provide them to you to thereby establish her age, regardless of what another mod may think her age "appears" to be in the pic I posted.
1) That was from 2020, not just 2020 but January of 2020, the first month I created my account here. 2) with more information I have changed my opinion on the matter as compared to nearly 4 years ago. 3) You're missing the context of "10 months" as the user stated his dog was 4 months old. I basically stated that he had 10 more months to go. 10 months + 4 months is 14 months old as a minimum age before copulation should be attempted. Again, waiting for the second heat is the best way to go. Some even argue the 3rd heat, as stated in my post.
All I can do is read what's been put forth. It doesn't clarify, as you have done here. And even so, these are recommendations and opinions, recommendations and opinions are not rules.
Again... 1) That was from 2020, not just 2020 but January of 2020, the first month I created my account here. 2) with more information I have changed my opinion on the matter as compared to nearly 4 years ago.
As stated, most breeders will NOT breed a dog on her first heat. While she's able to be impregnated, the risks to her are astronomically high. She is not of breeding age, as specified by the rules.
I see no reason to do so as mentioned in my other post. 1) It's a HIGHLY controversial subject. 2) One of the other mods wasn't even sure if she was 11 months old. (Something that is taken merely at face value) 3) This type of activity should be discouraged, as I've seen this type of thing blow up in people's faces. 4) The thread was soon becoming a dumpster fire. If it wasn't @amorousdog5 that said something, someone else surely would. And I'm not going to sit there and delete every single objection just to protect you engaging in highly risky behavior. As, many zoos agree, this is risky behavior you're engaging in. I don't care how much experience you think you have. You're putting your golden in unnecessary danger by having sex with her before she's even a year old. Before she's fully matured. Before her immune system has fully developed. Before her vaginal walls have fully developed.
Opinion. But the rules do not reflect this.
No one here is asking you, or anyone else to "...turn a blind eye to..." anything. And you're right, we all are "...only human...". All the more reason why the rules must be clear, eliminating misunderstandings and misinterpretations.
And I am floored to learn that the average Joe here is expected to actually lookup or otherwise know on his/her own that you are referring to the term "breeding age" to be defined as what a breeder or veteranarian would define it as. To the average Joe (and this is what your site is aimed at guiding and helping) it would be very easy for them to believe that her being in heat, satisfies the criteria of the term "...of breeding age...". They are being guided by this site, so the rules must be very clear. And I remember quite a lot of rants, especially from the mods, about no-one understanding the rules. Gee, I wonder why? And, if you remember, I was one of the people that advocated for the rules to be placed prominently. I am happy to see that link on the top of the browser window.
And if all references were removed, there would be no "HIGHLY controversial subject" to deal with.
And I have clearly offered to send you legal documentation, proving her age.
I actually agree with you on this one. This is why I posted my honest and heartfelt apology on this. I should never have posted such things. I was caught up in the moment, and completely unaware of how the rules were being defined.
I agree with you on this point as well, now that I have the benefit of 20/20 hindsight. Keep in mind, if the questionable posts I made were never posted, nothing in the rest of the thread would ever be characterized as dumpster fire material.
No body, not even myself, is asking you to "protect" me.
And this is one of the many reasons why I regret ever sharing any of this. I now realize the harm in sharing any of this kind of activity to the general public here at ZV. Again, I was very stupid. And again I offer my apologies.
....and along with your apology just say NM,,,,ie No more!Opinion. But the rules do not reflect this.
No one here is asking you, or anyone else to "...turn a blind eye to..." anything. And you're right, we all are "...only human...". All the more reason why the rules must be clear, eliminating misunderstandings and misinterpretations.
And I am floored to learn that the average Joe here is expected to actually lookup or otherwise know on his/her own that you are referring to the term "breeding age" to be defined as what a breeder or veteranarian would define it as. To the average Joe (and this is what your site is aimed at guiding and helping) it would be very easy for them to believe that her being in heat, satisfies the criteria of the term "...of breeding age...". They are being guided by this site, so the rules must be very clear. And I remember quite a lot of rants, especially from the mods, about no-one understanding the rules. Gee, I wonder why? And, if you remember, I was one of the people that advocated for the rules to be placed prominently. I am happy to see that link on the top of the browser window.
And if all references were removed, there would be no "HIGHLY controversial subject" to deal with.
And I have clearly offered to send you legal documentation, proving her age.
I actually agree with you on this one. This is why I posted my honest and heartfelt apology on this. I should never have posted such things. I was caught up in the moment, and completely unaware of how the rules were being defined.
I agree with you on this point as well, now that I have the benefit of 20/20 hindsight. Keep in mind, if the questionable posts I made were never posted, nothing in the rest of the thread would ever be characterized as dumpster fire material.
No body, not even myself, is asking you to "protect" me.
And this is one of the many reasons why I regret ever sharing any of this. I now realize the harm in sharing any of this kind of activity to the general public here at ZV. Again, I was very stupid. And again I offer my apologies.
SaltyDog...
