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gsdmixg

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Is there a reason for the file limit to be as high as 250MB? I've never encountered a video that was long enough to justify it and it doesn't seem necessary for photos or other files in any fashion. In fact every video I've seen that was >200MB is an unnecessarily large <1 minute video (this post was just triggered by seeing one that was 225MB and 39 seconds). Unless the limit is baked into the forum and can't be changed, it would make much more sense in my opinion for it to be 150-200.
 
Mosteel said:
Why lower it? It's not hurting anything.
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I can see one point. It would make people think about using something like "Handbrake" to relieve the storage weight and help with loading times.

Mind you

It's a tradeoff. You can compress a 1080p video pretty well, but you do get losses. A 4k, can't be brought down to what would be considered "web friendly", so it becomes "How much quality can you sacrifice before compression is doing more harm, than good?".

I can see a purpose, just, practically it may limit content.
 
Mosteel said:
Why lower it? It's not hurting anything.
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The main reason it's frustrating for me personally is that it makes it incredibly difficult to review content, because I have to download every file and wait 20+ minutes for each of them to finish as it's impossibly slow to view them in the browser.
 
JazzyPaws said:
I can see one point. It would make people think about using something like "Handbrake" to relieve the storage weight and help with loading times.

Mind you

It's a tradeoff. You can compress a 1080p video pretty well, but you do get losses. A 4k, can't be brought down to what would be considered "web friendly", so it becomes "How much quality can you sacrifice before compression is doing more harm, than good?".

I can see a purpose, just, practically it may limit content.
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Sure, but who's actually uploading 4K content in the first place, besides shitty commercial stuff? 4K photos generally still fall well within the file size limit. The massive file sizes are always from uncompressed videos that are sloppily recorded on a phone.
 
gsdmixg said:
Sure, but who's actually uploading 4K content in the first place, besides shitty commercial stuff? The massive file sizes are always from uncompressed videos that are sloppily recorded on a phone.
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That's honestly it. Even uploading a 4K file is a pain, and that's without a VPN.

What's stupid is most modern phones have a built in trim function, to do exactly this, not sure why more people don't use it.
 
gsdmixg said:
The main reason it's frustrating for me personally is that it makes it incredibly difficult to review content, because I have to download every file and wait 20+ minutes for each of them to finish as it's impossibly slow to view them in the browser.
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Well... why do you have to view every post ever?
 
I get that some people's internet is slow... But should the needs of a few dictate the hard standards for the many?
Maybe you can request people to upload shorter/compressed versions, while those who can easily download/have more patience for larger content can still enjoy such.
Not to mention that, the original post even points out that people rarely hit the upper limit anyways. Surely it's not a HUGE problem?
 
Mosteel said:
Well... why do you have to view every post ever?
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The ~18 or so threads that were deleted or had content removed* and 4 that were relocated so far in the past few days of me digging through them probably answers that question.
*edit: poor wording
 
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Mosteel said:
I get that some people's internet is slow... But should the needs of a few dictate the hard standards for the many?
Maybe you can request people to upload shorter/compressed versions, while those who can easily download/have more patience for larger content can still enjoy such.
Not to mention that, the original post even points out that people rarely hit the upper limit anyways. Surely it's not a HUGE problem?
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I don't flow thru a VPN, my connection is 150mbps. But, still some videos are painfully slow, same for DL speed
 
Mosteel said:
I get that some people's internet is slow... But should the needs of a few dictate the hard standards for the many?
Maybe you can request people to upload shorter/compressed versions, while those who can easily download/have more patience for larger content can still enjoy such.
Not to mention that, the original post even points out that people rarely hit the upper limit anyways. Surely it's not a HUGE problem?
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I don't know what the share is among new videos because I don't really check new uploads. But based on the sheer number of videos matching my description that exist it clearly has been somewhat of a problem for a while and I wouldn't think people suddenly all started compressing their files.
 
Heh, it's kinda funny that you're asking to lower the limit. I've seen many people complain (on the forum and in PM) that the 250mb limit should be higher. There's definitely people out there that are uploading plenty of 4K videos that aren't just re-uploaded commerical crap. Most of them I've seen have been in the M/F Horse and M/F Other sections oddly enough. I guess 4k Mare Butts drives men nuts! Lol

While the 240mb 40 second videos do kinda piss me off, because come on, it's not that hard to compress a video, even on mobile. I'm not sure further restricting the limit would really be worth it, and doing so would likely tick a lot of people off.
 
FloofyNewfie said:
Heh, it's kinda funny that you're asking to lower the limit. I've seen many people complain (on the forum and in PM) that the 250mb limit should be higher. There's definitely people out there that are uploading plenty of 4K videos that aren't just re-uploaded commerical crap. Most of them I've seen have been in the M/F Horse and M/F Other sections oddly enough. I guess 4k Mare Butts drives men nuts! Lol

While the 240mb 40 second videos do kinda piss me off, because come on, it's not that hard to compress a video, even on mobile. I'm not sure further restricting the limit would really be worth it, and doing so would likely tick a lot of people off.
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Fair enough. Don't really peek at the horse section so I wouldn't know. Is it somehow possible to at least make file size limits dependent on video resolution (and/or length) within the limitations of the forum? a 40 second 4K video being nearly 250mb is understandable but not so much if it's only 720/1080p. I think it would even be reasonable to up the limits for 4K a little bit if that meant also lowering it for smaller resolutions.
 
gsdmixg said:
Fair enough. Don't really peek at the horse section so I wouldn't know. Is it somehow possible to at least make file size limits dependent on video resolution (and/or length) within the limitations of the forum? a 40 second 4K video being nearly 250mb is understandable but not so much if it's only 720/1080p. I think it would even be reasonable to up the limits for 4K a little bit if that meant also lowering it for smaller resolutions.
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If I were a betting man, I'd wager that it's not really a metric we could control, Video Quality:File Size Limit. It's more than likely that the only metric that could be controlled would be the file size limit itself. But I myself don't have access to the admin panel of the forum.

I do appreciate you looking for sketchy content on the forum though, your efforts haven't gone unnoticed. ?
 
JazzyPaws said:
sorry if ive been a bit overboard LOL
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No worries, just remember to keep the reports more towards the guidelines listed in the rules. If something is a little gray, there's a high probability that it'll be rejected if it doesn't fall into these categories:

Content of animals being abused will be removed. (This includes:
  • Torture
  • Gagging
  • Forced sex
  • Gerbilling (or any other live insertions including fish, eel, snake, insects, worms, etc.)
  • This also includes rodent types like rats.
  • Large Insertions
  • Rought sex (or known as 'hard')
  • Or anything that cases harm
  • No human on human watersports or human on animal watersports.
  • No fish or chicken content.
  • This includes using restraints/hogtie.
When it comes to the topic of dildogging, pretty much none of us here like it, myself included obviously. But if the dog doesn't seem to mind it at all it'll likely be rejected.
 
FloofyNewfie said:
No worries, just remember to keep the reports more towards the guidelines listed in the rules. If something is a little gray, there's a high probability that it'll be rejected if it doesn't fall into these categories:

Content of animals being abused will be removed. (This includes:
  • Torture
  • Gagging
  • Forced sex
  • Gerbilling (or any other live insertions including fish, eel, snake, insects, worms, etc.)
  • This also includes rodent types like rats.
  • Large Insertions
  • Rought sex (or known as 'hard')
  • Or anything that cases harm
  • No human on human watersports or human on animal watersports.
  • No fish or chicken content.
  • This includes using restraints/hogtie.
When it comes to the topic of dildogging, pretty much none of us here like it, myself included obviously. But if the dog doesn't seem to mind it at all it'll likely be rejected.
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I consider baiting forced, is that also covered under forced?
 
JazzyPaws said:
I consider baiting forced, is that also covered under forced?
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With food? Ehhhhhhhh.......... Kinda yes, and kinda no? Dishonest? Absolutely! Cringe? Absolutely!

But we all (moderators) pretty much agreed to just delete those kinds of videos with no warning strike issued to the uploaded.
 
FloofyNewfie said:
With food? Ehhhhhhhh.......... Kinda yes, and kinda no? Dishonest? Absolutely! Cringe? Absolutely!

But we all (moderators) pretty much agreed to just delete those kinds of videos with no warning strike issued to the uploaded.
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Awesome so worth adding the report.
 
FloofyNewfie said:
When it comes to the topic of dildogging, pretty much none of us here like it, myself included obviously. But if the dog doesn't seem to mind it at all it'll likely be rejected.
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Ok, good to know, I was under the impression it wasn't allowed at all under the criteria of mishandling genitalia. There were quite a few reports for that ?

Since you've already explained why the suggestion isn't feasible, I assume it's safe to remove this thread now before it gets too off-topic?
 
gsdmixg said:
Ok, good to know, I was under the impression it wasn't allowed at all under the criteria of mishandling genitalia. There were quite a few reports for that ?
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If the dog show any distress at any point, then it can be addressed. But if the dog doesn't seem to mind it, then it falls into the "grey" category.

gsdmixg said:
Since you've already explained why the suggestion isn't feasible, I assume it's safe to remove this thread now before it gets too off-topic?
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I can, or I can lock it. It's up to you?
 
FloofyNewfie said:
If the dog show any distress at any point, then it can be addressed. But if the dog doesn't seem to mind it, then it falls into the "grey" category.


I can, or I can lock it. It's up to you?
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I'd just delete it but if you would prefer to keep and lock it that's fine.
 
I would suggest something else.
Use the zooville's server to automatically reencode all uploaded stuff to mp4.
That will lower file size dramatically and make stuff run in browser.
And on top add atomatic exif removal.
That is a bash script you can throw together under an hour.
 
pes said:
And on top add atomatic exif removal.
That is a bash script you can throw together under an hour.
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HOLY CRAP YES. Not nearly enough people are fully aware of exif data or what it can do.
I personally got got last year in a different part of the internet. I was debating about coyote stuff, got so pissed at the guy's bullshit that i cracked open my own books, took a picture, and uploaded, to hand him his own ass as fast as my rage would let me
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Boom. Exif data. Didn't think of running it through my usual stripper, it was an argument and i posted a quick source. Who would care? My phone had location on, cause of course it does, more apps demand it now. You forget to turn it off.
Fun times ensued. Really. Really. Fun times.

Yeah, it's the user's fault.... but it still is far from a bad idea to have exif stripping on by default here. Every user here is at great risk, and this forum isn't unknown to antis, especially the more nutty or insidious ones. And what about sharers? Even with permission... they might not post their own exif data, but they might surely copy and paste someone else's.
 
gsdmixg said:
Is there a reason for the file limit to be as high as 250MB? I've never encountered a video that was long enough to justify it and it doesn't seem necessary for photos or other files in any fashion. In fact every video I've seen that was >200MB is an unnecessarily large <1 minute video (this post was just triggered by seeing one that was 225MB and 39 seconds). Unless the limit is baked into the forum and can't be changed, it would make much more sense in my opinion for it to be 150-200.
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Why is your arbitrary limit better than the existing arbitrary limit?
What does limiting it to 150MB fix?

It'll just make it harder for those that have good intentions to upload some quality material.

Ripped / stolen content is compressed to shit aleadt, any way.
 
Bloit said:
What does limiting it to 150MB fix?
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It would force people to learn how not to upload MOV files which are hundreds of megabytes for a few dozen seconds. :D
VPNs are not the answer for online security. If you use one, fine, you do you, but the focus should be on usability with limited connection, not to sacrifice user security to be able to download unnecessarily large files.
Current state where you get a 200+MB file for 30s of content is ridiculous and I am not even talking about the Iphone screen recording bullshit. Learn how to download a file for fuck sake. :D

In my opinion lowering the limit is not going to happen. So we can moan about it as much as we want here, it is not happening.
The same way people are not going to put any effort into considering the usability of their content for other users, so this would not make anyone learn how to use MP4.

My suggestion of server side conversion to mp4 while viable, probably is not going to be implemented either. :D

So I predict this whole thing to be completely pointless. :D

Exif is already stripped off images, videos are not supported fully yet.

Uploaded Pic / Vid metadata

Hi Guys Just wondering if the metadata gets scrubbed on upload, I know most forums do this automatically these days I have search but cannot really find an exact answer
www.zoovilleforum.net www.zoovilleforum.net
 
Hmm, let me test something.
This image was uploaded WITH detailed exif data. It is not mine, perhaps not anyone's, and was created specifically to test the exif system.
If the exif data is still available after posting, that is concerning.
DSCN0010.jpg
 
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