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ZOOPHILIA AND THE BIBLE: WHY IS IT A SIN?

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In order for this to make sense, you have to think of the Bible not as the literal word of God, but as mankind's attempt to understand the world around them, including the circumstances that shaped their concept of good and evil.
There is not a specific reason as to why zoophilia is considered a sin in the Bible, other than "God commanded it." However, using what we know about why other sins are considered sins in the Bible, I've come to my own two-part hypothesis.
First, consider why family planning measures, such as birth control and abortions, are considered sins. In Biblical times, say a woman had about 8 children. Statistically speaking, only about 1 or 2 would've survived. These children would've had the responsibility of carrying on the family name and to preserve the bloodline. This would've also made a person's fertility important. In other words, sperm and a woman's child-producing ability would've been considered high in value. That being said, it would've been considered abhorrent for sperm and eggs to be wasted on animals.
Second, this one applies to various other sins as well. Consider that in biblical times, we had no idea why diseases existed, so many were considered the physical manifestations of God's punishment. But although they did not have the knowledge of today, they did have logic. They began to notice that certain acts would end in these "punishments," thereby making the action that led to the punishment a "sin." The Book of Leviticus is where most of these so-called "sins" are concentrated. That's why acts such as gay sex, sex outside of wedlock, eating shellfish, and even zoophilia were considered sins; because in those days, those acts were dangerous! Venereal diseases, parasites in fish, possible infections for a woman having sex while on her period, these kinds of things were a real danger back then. But because we didn't know how disease worked, we just considered these acts to be "sins" because they used to lead to disease, unlike today. Basically, laws in the Bible, such as those in Leviticus, were man's first attempt at sanitary law.
The mistake we make today is trying to apply the laws from back then to present society.
 

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Many of their neighbors were reputed to have sex with non-humans, often for religious reasons. As is typical, the evils of one religion are frequently the trappings of another. So to keep your people from wosrhiping other gods, you label such actions as evil and don't allow it in among you.
 
why waste any brainpower on something as obsolete in this day and age as religion?
Many of their neighbors were reputed to have sex with non-humans, often for religious reasons. As is typical, the evils of one religion are frequently the trappings of another. So to keep your people from wosrhiping other gods, you label such actions as evil and don't allow it in among you.
similar to how all muslims totally fuck goats?
 
why waste any brainpower on something as obsolete in this day and age as religion?

I find it to be handy to be informed of what one's neighbor's religious book(s) say, helps in dealing with them and dispelling bad-faith claims they sometimes make.


similar to how all muslims totally fuck goats?

Possibly, I haven't studied most of those cultures in any detail so I'm not really equipped to comment on the prevalence in actuallity, but it would seem being restricted to reality isn't necessary when formulating religious laws. I'm aware of claims in Herodotus' Histories in regard to the Egyptians, but I'm not sure those claims are entirely credible. Perhaps someone with more knowledge on the subject can inject more.
 
In order for this to make sense, you have to think of the Bible not as the literal word of God, but as mankind's attempt to understand the world around them, including the circumstances that shaped their concept of good and evil.
The book was written by a bunch of power hungry idiots for the purpose of tricking people into submission. There is no truth in it and therefore there is no point in analyzing it.
 
If I get that right the OP is not so much saying it IS a sin, but trying to discuss why in was written there in first place.

@ShanoirII I suspect you may have an interesting historical view on this?

Personally I think:
The importance of "misussing your seed" has been historically overrated. "throwing the seed to the ground" was not Onan's sin, but greed.

At that time, animal exclusive would not be the usual. They would haveca family, comply with their sposes, have childs, AND also fuck the jenny when in need.

There was some Mesopothamic culture inherirance that talked of demons and such spawning from such unions. Even if not phisical, in a culture where golems were belivable, I guess that was "better safe than sorrow" avoid wild spirits geing engendrated.

And yes, you are right in most rules gaving to do with heatlh, higiene and the concept if illness as God's punishment. But I sort of doubt zoonosis were a big thing though.
 
Same reason murder and suicide were a "sin". Religion was adopted by the emperors/kings/etc as a way to control the uneducated peons within your domain. Peons they needed within their domain because it was their thankless toil and appropriated wealth that kept the rulers in the life of luxury. The threat of eternal damnation was a much greater way to cow the cattle than the threat of bodily harm by the king's knights.

If those peons went around killing each other, or killing themselves because the religion offered eternal paradise in the next life so why not just skip this shit one of squalor, then the rulers couldn't live off their labor.

And if they were going around fucking animals they wouldn't be procreating and sustaining the population of peons.
 
Because the BuyBull was written by near Stoneage sheep and goat herding sand bandits, to whom a sandal and a sharp stick was considered high tech.
 
I like to think of it as the fact that people in ancient times were just more ignorant than we are now. Thankfully some of them actually just carried on and loved their fellow animals. We're all part of god's creation so I don't see why we have to be special or over other species, we're all living beings, we all live, love, feel and so on and are part of this beautiful world in this incredibly complex universe. Don't let yourself be taken down by the words of some, trust your intuition, your own reason and take your faith on your hands.
Or better yet, just don't be religious if you're not into it. Both believing and not are equally valid and good.
 
In order for this to make sense, you have to think of the Bible not as the literal word of God, but as mankind's attempt to understand the world around them, including the circumstances that shaped their concept of good and evil.
There is not a specific reason as to why zoophilia is considered a sin in the Bible, other than "God commanded it." However, using what we know about why other sins are considered sins in the Bible, I've come to my own two-part hypothesis.
First, consider why family planning measures, such as birth control and abortions, are considered sins. In Biblical times, say a woman had about 8 children. Statistically speaking, only about 1 or 2 would've survived. These children would've had the responsibility of carrying on the family name and to preserve the bloodline. This would've also made a person's fertility important. In other words, sperm and a woman's child-producing ability would've been considered high in value. That being said, it would've been considered abhorrent for sperm and eggs to be wasted on animals.
Second, this one applies to various other sins as well. Consider that in biblical times, we had no idea why diseases existed, so many were considered the physical manifestations of God's punishment. But although they did not have the knowledge of today, they did have logic. They began to notice that certain acts would end in these "punishments," thereby making the action that led to the punishment a "sin." The Book of Leviticus is where most of these so-called "sins" are concentrated. That's why acts such as gay sex, sex outside of wedlock, eating shellfish, and even zoophilia were considered sins; because in those days, those acts were dangerous! Venereal diseases, parasites in fish, possible infections for a woman having sex while on her period, these kinds of things were a real danger back then. But because we didn't know how disease worked, we just considered these acts to be "sins" because they used to lead to disease, unlike today. Basically, laws in the Bible, such as those in Leviticus, were man's first attempt at sanitary law.
The mistake we make today is trying to apply the laws from back then to present society.

Where do you want to take this? Just currious?
 
I’m very catholic…. But it also do know that…. The Bible was a book…. Written an re-written (interpretation)… many times…. So … I like 2believe that it’s helpful 2have something 2have faith in… that helps each of us 2B a better person ?
 
That letter is quite some interesting reading on what is mandatory on the Old Testament, still, somehow frowned this days

 
First, consider why family planning measures, such as birth control and abortions, are considered sins. In Biblical times, say a woman had about 8 children. Statistically speaking, only about 1 or 2 would've survived. These children would've had the responsibility of carrying on the family name and to preserve the bloodline. This would've also made a person's fertility important. In other words, sperm and a woman's child-producing ability would've been considered high in value. That being said, it would've been considered abhorrent for sperm and eggs to be wasted on animals.
There's no doubt that procreation was of utmost importance in the older stories. I don't know how many times in the old testament that God promises to multiply his chosen people until their numbers are uncountable "I will make your offspring as the dust of the earth, so that if one can count the dust of the earth, your offspring can also be counted." It seems like a lot of the sexual morality laws have this in mind. Homosexuality and bestiality don't lead to multiplication of Israel and therefore are sins.

Consider that in biblical times, we had no idea why diseases existed, so many were considered the physical manifestations of God's punishment. But although they did not have the knowledge of today, they did have logic. They began to notice that certain acts would end in these "punishments," thereby making the action that led to the punishment a "sin." The Book of Leviticus is where most of these so-called "sins" are concentrated. That's why acts such as gay sex, sex outside of wedlock, eating shellfish, and even zoophilia were considered sins; because in those days, those acts were dangerous! Venereal diseases, parasites in fish, possible infections for a woman having sex while on her period, these kinds of things were a real danger back then. But because we didn't know how disease worked, we just considered these acts to be "sins" because they used to lead to disease, unlike today. Basically, laws in the Bible, such as those in Leviticus, were man's first attempt at sanitary law.
The mistake we make today is trying to apply the laws from back then to present society.
This is legit, I think. Sanitation is a big part of it. There is a major emphasis on "clean and unclean" acts and what to do if you become unclean and how to get clean again. The bible will sometimes mention in the same breath how to cleanse yourself after touching a dead body and how to cleanse yourself after having sex with a girl on her period.

The book was written by a bunch of power hungry idiots for the purpose of tricking people into submission.
This is a very popular opinion about the bible. The problem is that there is zero evidence that this is true and every historian would disagree with you.

Religion was adopted by the emperors/kings/etc as a way to control the uneducated peons within your domain. Peons they needed within their domain because it was their thankless toil and appropriated wealth that kept the rulers in the life of luxury. The threat of eternal damnation was a much greater way to cow the cattle than the threat of bodily harm by the king's knights.
This is a pretty odd opinion considering the Bible's stance on kings. Below is God telling the people of Israel, who have never had a king reign over them except when they were under the subjugation of the pharaoh in Egypt, that if they want to appoint kings over themselves, they better keep them in check...

Deuteronomy 17:14-20
"When you come to the land that the LORD your God is giving you, and you possess it and dwell in it and then say, I will set a king over me, like all the nations that are around me, you may indeed set a king over you whom the LORD your God will choose. One from among your brothers you shall set as king over you. You may not put a foreigner over you, who is not your brother. Only he must not acquire many horses for himself or cause the people to return to Egypt in order to acquire many horses, since the LROD has said to you, You shall never return that way again. And he shall not acquire many wives for himself, lest his heart turn away, nor shall he acquire for himself excessive silver and gold.

And when he sits on the throne of his kingdom, he shall write for himself in a book a copy of this law, approved by the Levitical priests. And it shall be with him, and he shall read in it all the days of his live, that he may learn to fear the LORD his God by keeping all the words of this law and these statutes, and doing them, that his heart may not be lifted up above his brothers, and that he may not turn aside from the commandment, either to the right hand or to the left, so that he may continue long in his kingdom, he and his children, in Israel."
 
Many of their neighbors were reputed to have sex with non-humans, often for religious reasons. As is typical, the evils of one religion are frequently the trappings of another. So to keep your people from wosrhiping other gods, you label such actions as evil and don't allow it in among you.

More specifically, many of the surrounding religions were fertility cults, and there is a theory that in their ceremonies the priests were acting out sex with their farm animals and fellow men (all probably simulated, but still) as a way to magically increase their fertility. Hey when you're farming for subsistence, fertility is a high priority! But the Israelites were really concerned with the threat of disappearing by assimilation, and went extra-hard on drawing distinctions between themselves and their neighbors, as egoldstein said.
Also, they were super-uptight about nakedness. Noah and Jacob both disowned sons who made the mistake of seeing them naked.
 
the religious community is very unaccepting these days. even though, lets say Christianity for example, we are called to be accepting and to love everyone equally, it seems to be a trend to take that and turn it into a thinking that we love people by trying to save them from their 'sins' when the church is supposed to be a safe place for loving and community. im a huge Christian and very serious about my faith, but I've been to multiple churches, with quite a few being stuck up and set in their ways. in comparison, my current church is incredible, with the focus being on making everyone feel accepted. if everyone acted like that the world world be so farther along. just mind your own business and let me have a romantic night with my mate. im going to spoil her, spend hours cuddling her, and play her favourite guitar. then i'll have a gentle moment with her if shes in the mood, before we fall asleep in each others arms while watching the sunset. whats so wrong with that? everyone else gets chills when they see people doing that with their human partners, why is my love for my girl so wrong?
 
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