Zoofeminism, a femthread

[jinxtwotell]

Hi there,

This is my first thread here, so forgive me if this one has minor blemishes.



 Zoofeminsm

this is the topic to which I would like to inspire all female participants here, because both topics are very much related to each other.



Feminism I namely not only on classical women's rights movement to limit but crosses itself also with the topics animal protection and animal right, likewise with the topic that our body is also our right and our sexuality is forbidden.

Comparable to the prohibition of homosexuality and transsexuality in many countries.

Sexuality should not be regulated by legislation as long as it is performed in a consensual way.

Consensuality is of course also possible in interactions between humans and animals, but should be regulated, similar to the articles §§ 176 ff, 180, 182 StGB, the lawbook of my country

which regulate from what age and under what circumstances humans may interact sexually.



Furthermore, I would like to draw the attention of my readers to the fact that historically there were very unattractive parallels between women's rights and animal rights, which in some cases almost coincided with each other (with more or less intervals),

For example, the subject of objectification of the individual woman as well as of the individual animal, which is more current than ever.



I hope I was able to make you think a little bit and I can now start a small discussion with you, which may soon change something with every reader.

Zoofeminist greetings,

Jinx


translated by an online translator ; )

 

[doggydoodah]

Did you ever read or know of Margret Grebowicz When Species Meat: Confronting Bestiality Pornography? Excellent read.

 

[saddlebum66]

Good luck, ma'am....around here, youre gonna need it.

 

[jinxtwotell]

Did you ever read or know of Margret Grebowicz When Species Meat: Confronting Bestiality Pornography? Excellent read.

This sounds like a very interesting evening read, I will look at it but not necessarily today, is already very late here.

 

[jinxtwotell]

Good luck, ma'am....around here, youre gonna need it.

You know about this one che Guevara quote.
“Be realistic, demand the impossible!”

 

[saddlebum66]

I do....hes dead

 

[jinxtwotell]

I do....hes dead

but at least he has a own T-shirt print

 

[Bloit]

historically there were very unattractive parallels between women's rights and animal rights

So... When were women ever kept in barns?

I mean, sure, historically, woman had less rights. But to compare them to animals? That seems counter-productive.

 

[saddlebum66]

His own? Shucks....I thought everybody owned one.....I used to...

 

[saddlebum66]

And animals, however you pump the churn, don't have rights.

 

[jinxtwotell]

So... When were women ever kept in barns?

I mean, sure, historically, woman had less rights. But to compare them to animals? That seems counter-productive.

Kind of, I would like to point out the women in mental institutions who were diagnosed with terms like hysteria or consumption, whose hair was regularly stolen by wigmakers. And they were also otherwise treated like cattle for slaughter. Not so long ago.

 

[jinxtwotell]

And animals, however you pump the churn, don't have rights.

And you are absolutely right, animals have drawn the worst lot. But think about it, it's possible that if women had had more rights in the past, something like kinks and maybe even zoofeminism would have been "invented" sooner. i'm just pointing out that animals and women are the ones who are screwed.



Seems like you somehow share my opinion.

 

[NoloContendere]

Margret Grebowicz - When Species Meat | PDF | Zoophilia | Feminism

when species meat

www.scribd.com

 

[saddlebum66]

Probably. But Chattels have been chattels longer than they've been else...This venue is not a hotbed of La Libre...in fact, realistically, it is about as retrograde as anything youll find on line.

 

[jinxtwotell]

Margret Grebowicz - When Species Meat | PDF | Zoophilia | Feminism

when species meat

www.scribd.com

<3 thanks

 

[saddlebum66]

Somehow the idea that ANY behavior can or should be regulable is an excersize in futility....Among the ladies....no prob....but among the males here, you will get a ferocious argument, hiw ever wrongheaded they may be

 

[saddlebum66]

Interesting combination....Humanities and Jazz....

 

[jinxtwotell]

Probably. But Chattels have been chattels longer than they've been else...This venue is not a hotbed of La Libre...in fact, realistically, it is about as retrograde as anything youll find on line.

But can you not instead of feeling uncomfortable here, create a revolutionary framework and at least make sure that the animals around you are doing well, I don't know what your diet is like, and I'm not going to make a big deal about it.

But that is at least a start.

 

[jinxtwotell]

Interesting combination....Humanities and Jazz....

Oh what its about Jazz? OK sorry thats Not my motherlanguage.

 

[saddlebum66]

No....the authors bio states shes a professor of Humanities and a Jazz vocalist. I supposed it might be worth a look but Im not signing up for anything in the Mundanity that might cost more than coin. Its about porn, not about zoo.

 

[jinxtwotell]

No....the authors bio states shes a professor of Humanities and a Jazz vocalist. I supposed it might be worth a look but Im not signing up for anything in the Mundanity that might cost more than coin. Its about porn, not about zoo.

For myself, porn of any kind was only casually present, but I learned most of it from my own interest. Of course, I can't deny that I haven't seen this kind of content before. I know about the existence of heaps of harmful content, and I'm not so happy with it either, but I live with my partners and not against them. And that is actually also the meaning behind it.

 

[saddlebum66]

Not sure of your meaning, but yes...I was self-taught too....libraries hold quite a lot of useful knowledge if you know what to look for. More, so does porn, once you learn the chaff from the kernal.

 

[OffgridK9lover]

You know about this one che Guevara quote.
“Be realistic, demand the impossible!”

I like free helicopter trips better.

 

[Kombajnista]

1. Those two topics are not related at all.
2. Name some rights that man have and women don't.

 

[egoldstein]

1. Those two topics are not related at all.
2. Name some rights that man have and women don't.

They are closer on par today than in the not-so-distant past, but there are a number of differences depending on where one is.
In most of the western world women tend to have the same rights legally for the most part, but society frequently disregards the them unless the woman fights to have her rights respected. It's not always about legal rights though as there are many challenges women face that men don't, but a few examples off the top of my head that I've personally witnessed. I'm sure women could give many, many more examples of how they're treated differently and denied opportunities that I just don't see because I don't deal with them myself.

Here in my country, women frequently don't have bodily autonomy. This may not seem like a big deal to some, but it's huge. A person isn't free if they can't make basic life choices for themselves.
Women face more challenges getting into a number of fields than similar male counterparts, it's illegal but very difficult to prove.

Here in my country until not too long ago it was common for doctors to deny even lifesaving medical care if it would leave a young woman unable to have children or, forbid if she were married she had to get her husband's permission to have such care.....even if she'd divorced him years earlier; until she remarried, she was still his. Imagine being in that situation, where your very life depended on someone you divorced acquiescing to give permission for a doctor to save you from cancer. I cannot even fathom what it would be like as a woman in some other countries where they few have rights at all.

 

[Caniform]

Here in my country, women frequently don't have bodily autonomy. This may not seem like a big deal to some, but it's huge. A person isn't free if they can't make basic life choices for themselves.

Can you be more specific in which situation a woman does not have bodily autonomy in your country, yet a man has bodily autonomy when he is in the same situation as the woman?

 

[egoldstein]

Can you be more specific in which situation a woman does not have bodily autonomy in your country, yet a man has bodily autonomy when he is in the same situation as the woman?

I gave an example, where a woman might have reproductive issues that needs correction which could remove her reproductive ability. There are plenty of situations where women are routinely discouraged from making choices about their bodies; I recommend talking to women you know about the topic since the issues often differ depending on where on the planet one happens to be. Since men and women have different anatomy and these situations deal expressly with that anatomy, it's pretty hard for a man to be in the same situation...since he'd be a she.

 

[Caniform]

I gave an example, where a woman might have reproductive issues that needs correction which could remove her reproductive ability.

But that was an example from the past, right? I know that women were quite oppressed in the Western world in the last centuries, even just a few decades ago actually. It's certainly historically interesting, but not a contemporary social issue anymore. What would be a current example where women don't have bodily autonomy, but men have?

Since men and women have different anatomy and these situations deal expressly with that anatomy, it's pretty hard for a man to be in the same situation...since he'd be a she.

Oh well, if the different treatment of men and women is actually a direct consequence of their different biology, then it's probably not fair to quote that as evidence for an alleged injustice towards women. I mean, it's certainly true that men can't get ovary cancer for example, but there is nothing that law makers could make to change that. You wouldn't blame men for not having ovaries, would you? I can just say that women in developed countries usually live longer than men on average, so differences in biology don't seem to disfavor women in that respect at least.

But I'm not sure whether that is what you meant. It's difficult for me to talk about this on an abstract level. If injustices exist, they would have to manifest themselves in very concrete problems that could be named I think. If someone could name them, then it would probably be easier for me to understand – or to share my opinion why they are wrong, if that was the case.

There are plenty of situations where women are routinely discouraged from making choices about their bodies; I recommend talking to women you know about the topic since the issues often differ depending on where on the planet one happens to be.

I am sure there are places on earth where women have far fewer rights than men, some of the countries on the Arabian peninsula for example. But I was particularly interested in the situation in your country (the USA I suppose), because you alluded to disadvantaged women there.

I am aware that some feminists in my country claim that women have it oh-so-bad in our society as well. I think that they are wrong though as far as legal/institutional injustices and not just individual bad experiences are concerned. As far as individual experiences are concerned, I've made my own bad ones where I was disadvantaged as a male. Shit happens, unfortunately, I wouldn't deny that.

 

[saddlebum66]

1. Those two topics are not related at all.
2. Name some rights that man have and women don't.

Equal pay in the same Job is debatable.
Control over their own bodies
Medical and drug research is still dominated by what works for men
Clothing, especially work wardrobes, is more expensive to clean, Item for item.
Blinders

 

[saddlebum66]

But that was an example from the past, right? I know that women were quite oppressed in the Western world in the last centuries, even just a few decades ago actually. It's certainly historically interesting, but not a contemporary social issue anymore. What would be a current example where women don't have bodily autonomy, but men have?


Oh well, if the different treatment of men and women is actually a direct consequence of their different biology, then it's probably not fair to quote that as evidence for an alleged injustice towards women. I mean, it's certainly true that men can't get ovary cancer for example, but there is nothing that law makers could make to change that. You wouldn't blame men for not having ovaries, would you? I can just say that women in developed countries usually live longer than men on average, so differences in biology don't seem to disfavor women in that respect at least.

But I'm not sure whether that is what you meant. It's difficult for me to talk about this on an abstract level. If injustices exist, they would have to manifest themselves in very concrete problems that could be named I think. If someone could name them, then it would probably be easier for me to understand – or to share my opinion why they are wrong, if that was the case.


I am sure there are places on earth where women have far fewer rights than men, some of the countries on the Arabian peninsula for example. But I was particularly interested in the situation in your country (the USA I suppose), because you alluded to disadvantaged women there.

I am aware that some feminists in my country claim that women have it oh-so-bad in our society as well. I think that they are wrong though as far as legal/institutional injustices and not just individual bad experiences are concerned. As far as individual experiences are concerned, I've made my own bad ones where I was disadvantaged as a male. Shit happens, unfortunately, I wouldn't deny that.

Texas?