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Mare Lover 1975 said:
Been there, done that. Sometimes the vet bills are never ending :(
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At least my cameras gave me warning nearly as soon as the goddess mule started showing lameness ?‍? and the vet says we caught her early ( she's a big wuss and doesn't apply to that annoying donkey habit of dying before showing illness) but I still have months of treatments . A d have to explain she can't have grain for a few days
 
Glad you caught it early, and she didn't try the mule headed trick of hiding it until much later. You also have my sympathy on explaining why she can't have her grain, good luck with that.
 
OK, who forgot to tell you that when you signed up to have anything to do with equines, you were signing up for a life of poverty? Sheesh, man, it's all right there in the fine print...

What're they doing for her? Last time I was in a barn where laminitis hit and the Rx wasn't "1 158 grain bolus metallic lead administered intracranially at 1700 fps or faster" the treatment STARTED with half a kilo of DMSO dumped into a liter of saline and delivered through a big-bore IV canula. (My GAWD what a stench in the barn for the next month... burnt garlic plus propane plus horse shit just aren't a very compatible mix of smells)
 
UR20Z said:
OK, who forgot to tell you that when you signed up to have anything to do with equines, you were signing up for a life of poverty? Sheesh, man, it's all right there in the fine print...

What're they doing for her? Last time I was in a barn where laminitis hit and the Rx wasn't "1 158 grain bolus metallic lead administered intracranially at 1700 fps or faster" the treatment STARTED with half a kilo of DMSO dumped into a liter of saline and delivered through a big-bore IV canula. (My GAWD what a stench in the barn for the next month... burnt garlic plus propane plus horse shit just aren't a very compatible mix of smells)
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Since we are early Bute, some new insulin wise med, and pentoxy. 2 days no grain .
 
Interesting - they gave the old jenny we rescued the pentoxy when it was looking like she was going into liver failure - Didn't do much good - she was about 2 weeks younger than dirt, and her feet were so incredibly fucked it was unbelievable - in the x-rays, her coffin bones looked like a kid's drawing of a mountain range turned upside down.

We only had her for about 3-4 months after pulling her out of the hock-deep bog she'd been standing in for who-knows-how-long. At first, she perked up, but that only lasted about 6-8 weeks or so before she started going downhill. Another month or so of that, with the vet out a couple times a week for her, and the farrier stopping in to try like hell to make something out of the disaster area that passed for her feet every week or so, it was like she was on really well-greased rollerskates. For the last two weeks or so, she went more and more off her feed, vet put her on the pentoxy/bute/SMZ cocktail, and we did what we could to keep her going, but it was just too much for her, I guess - Nothing seemed to help. That last day, she tried to take a few steps, her ass-end fell out from under her, and we were stuck with the vet call that every horse person hates - "Bring the blue stuff and the knacker's phone number - it's time."

Doesn't matter how many times youv'e had to deal with it, it never gets to be any easier to cope with...
 
UR20Z said:
Interesting - they gave the old jenny we rescued the pentoxy when it was looking like she was going into liver failure - Didn't do much good - she was about 2 weeks younger than dirt, and her feet were so incredibly fucked it was unbelievable - in the x-rays, her coffin bones looked like a kid's drawing of a mountain range turned upside down.

We only had her for about 3-4 months after pulling her out of the hock-deep bog she'd been standing in for who-knows-how-long. At first, she perked up, but that only lasted about 6-8 weeks or so before she started going downhill. Another month or so of that, with the vet out a couple times a week for her, and the farrier stopping in to try like hell to make something out of the disaster area that passed for her feet every week or so, it was like she was on really well-greased rollerskates. For the last two weeks or so, she went more and more off her feed, vet put her on the pentoxy/bute/SMZ cocktail, and we did what we could to keep her going, but it was just too much for her, I guess - Nothing seemed to help. That last day, she tried to take a few steps, her ass-end fell out from under her, and we were stuck with the vet call that every horse person hates - "Bring the blue stuff and the knacker's phone number - it's time."

Doesn't matter how many times youv'e had to deal with it, it never gets to be any easier to cope with...
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We are being aggressive right off the bat . Today is the 1st time she's shown lameness. So I have reasonable hope it will be easier to handle . She's very mad about the whole things
 

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Well she's feeling better now she allowed dome food again. Now she pretends she's eating so I don't medicate her. Then runs a lap once I check
 
She's already sick of her meds. Right now if I see her back end there's two tiny angry hooves with it ? 8 more days of meds
 
Stormurhryssa said:
She's already sick of her meds. Right now if I see her back end there's two tiny angry hooves with it ? 8 more days of meds
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Your answer for getting pills into her, step by step:
Aquire a 60-90 CC dosing/irrigation syringe with the largest bore "spout" you can find.
Reduce pills to powder using whatever method works
Pull plunger completely out of syringe. I don't mean "pull it as far as it goes" - I mean totally out so you've got two pieces
Drop a decent blob of applesauce into syringe
Pour powdered pills into syringe on top of applesauce
Another healthy blob of applesauce onto pill-powder
(This is the tricky part) Working over a sink, get plunger *JUST* started going back into syringe. You *WILL* "splurt" a little applesauce
Hold plunger and syringe together, and tap things back from the spout end of the syringe, then work the plunger in enough to be solid
Finger over the tip, and shake the bejeezus out of it for a while
Tap so that most everything is as far from the spout as possible
Carefully clear most of the air out so you've got a shorter stroke to empty it
Smear applesauce on the spout of the syringe
Administer like wormer, but let her figure out that there's "goodies" on the end of the syringe - shouldn't take long...
If she behaves like nearly every equine I've ever had to put pills into, she'll be mugging you looking for the syringe in a day or so
 
UR20Z said:
Your answer for getting pills into her, step by step:
Aquire a 60-90 CC dosing/irrigation syringe with the largest bore "spout" you can find.
Reduce pills to powder using whatever method works
Pull plunger completely out of syringe. I don't mean "pull it as far as it goes" - I mean totally out so you've got two pieces
Drop a decent blob of applesauce into syringe
Pour powdered pills into syringe on top of applesauce
Another healthy blob of applesauce onto pill-powder
(This is the tricky part) Working over a sink, get plunger *JUST* started going back into syringe. You *WILL* "splurt" a little applesauce
Hold plunger and syringe together, and tap things back from the spout end of the syringe, then work the plunger in enough to be solid
Finger over the tip, and shake the bejeezus out of it for a while
Tap so that most everything is as far from the spout as possible
Carefully clear most of the air out so you've got a shorter stroke to empty it
Smear applesauce on the spout of the syringe
Administer like wormer, but let her figure out that there's "goodies" on the end of the syringe - shouldn't take long...
If she behaves like nearly every equine I've ever had to put pills into, she'll be mugging you looking for the syringe in a day or so
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Oh I earned cheating when I was still running broodmare barn? I use a coffee grinder. And I still need to buy sugar free apple sauce
 
I was told by a donkey expert not to give ANY grain and at most a small helping of senior feed, which is what I do.

I have had to deal with all of this and many visits of the vet with the blue stuff. Last time was only a few months ago. Vets and vet hospitals can do amazing things for dogs, but they have very limited tricks in their bag for equines.
 
Stormurhryssa said:
Oh I earned cheating when I was still running broodmare barn? I use a coffee grinder. And I still need to buy sugar free apple sauce
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"Cheating", he sez...
"Savior of toes, shinbones, fingers, arms, and various other body-parts", sez I! :)

(Ever try to get 22 tabs of SMZ, plus a bute, plus 40(!) tabs of hydroxyxine (Did I spell that right from memory? Probably not...) and a dozen Prilosec-alike tabs into 2200-ish pounds of Percheron that wants nothing to do with it - twice a day for 3 weeks? At the beginning, it was damn near worth your life getting that concoction into her, and you were as likely to wear as much of it as you got into her. By the time it was done, she was bestest of bestest buddies with that syringe, and her "patdown" every time you walked into her stall was *ALMOST* as hazardous as the first day, except that instead of standing up to 14+ feet tall and trying to do a Mike Tyson on you with her front end, she'd about beat/slobber you to death with her nose making sure that you didn't have Mr. Syringe concealed somewhere about your person, then go sulk in the corner if you didn't! It got to the point where you barely needed to mash the plunger - I swear, she sucked it out of the syringe like a rugrat finding the tit! :) )
 
UR20Z said:
"Cheating", he sez...
"Savior of toes, shinbones, fingers, arms, and various other body-parts", sez I! :)

(Ever try to get 22 tabs of SMZ, plus a bute, plus 40(!) tabs of hydroxyxine (Did I spell that right from memory? Probably not...) and a dozen Prilosec-alike tabs into 2200-ish pounds of Percheron that wants nothing to do with it - twice a day for 3 weeks? At the beginning, it was damn near worth your life getting that concoction into her, and you were as likely to wear as much of it as you got into her. By the time it was done, she was bestest of bestest buddies with that syringe, and her "patdown" every time you walked into her stall was *ALMOST* as hazardous as the first day, except that instead of standing up to 14+ feet tall and trying to do a Mike Tyson on you with her front end, she'd about beat/slobber you to death with her nose making sure that you didn't have Mr. Syringe concealed somewhere about your person, then go sulk in the corner if you didn't! It got to the point where you barely needed to mash the plunger - I swear, she sucked it out of the syringe like a rugrat finding the tit! :) )
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I'm trying the applesauce today. I don't hide the meds from her because she's far to intelligent for it. I've never don't a draft just foals and mares and once a 17.2 thoroughbred bred 2 year old ?
 
Old Zoo said:
I was told by a donkey expert not to give ANY grain and at most a small helping of senior feed, which is what I do.

I have had to deal with all of this and many visits of the vet with the blue stuff. Last time was only a few months ago. Vets and vet hospitals can do amazing things for dogs, but they have very limited tricks in their bag for equines.
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She's a 21 year old mule that's supposed to be carefully fed a maintained. I got careless during the winter and never pulled her feed back down. She's feeling better but it was a nasty scare that could of gone far worse. Thanks to a young racehorse named Barbaro care of laminitis is no longer the death sentence it was before him. Most think his legacy was the track but it reality his time advanced medical care for equids by years. You should look up his story if you dont already know it
 
UR20Z said:
"Cheating", he sez...
"Savior of toes, shinbones, fingers, arms, and various other body-parts", sez I! :)

(Ever try to get 22 tabs of SMZ, plus a bute, plus 40(!) tabs of hydroxyxine (Did I spell that right from memory? Probably not...) and a dozen Prilosec-alike tabs into 2200-ish pounds of Percheron that wants nothing to do with it - twice a day for 3 weeks? At the beginning, it was damn near worth your life getting that concoction into her, and you were as likely to wear as much of it as you got into her. By the time it was done, she was bestest of bestest buddies with that syringe, and her "patdown" every time you walked into her stall was *ALMOST* as hazardous as the first day, except that instead of standing up to 14+ feet tall and trying to do a Mike Tyson on you with her front end, she'd about beat/slobber you to death with her nose making sure that you didn't have Mr. Syringe concealed somewhere about your person, then go sulk in the corner if you didn't! It got to the point where you barely needed to mash the plunger - I swear, she sucked it out of the syringe like a rugrat finding the tit! :) )
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Applesauce helps. Thanks
 
Old Zoo said:
I was told by a donkey expert not to give ANY grain and at most a small helping of senior feed, which is what I do.

I have had to deal with all of this and many visits of the vet with the blue stuff. Last time was only a few months ago. Vets and vet hospitals can do amazing things for dogs, but they have very limited tricks in their bag for equines.
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Yah, we've got something similar here - Got a bunch of donkeys that range from A titch on the thin side to "When you gonna take the pack saddle off that one? Which one? The one that looks like a 49er's burro fresh out of the hills! Oh, she's already naked - that's just how fat she is!"

They get straw, 'cause they inflate on hay. Hafta dry-lot 'em to keep 'em from exploding when the grass starts growing in the spring.
 
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UR20Z said:
Yah, we've got something similar here - Got a bunch of donkeys that range from A titch on the thin side to "When you gonna take the pack saddle off that one? Which one? The one that looks like a 49er's burro fresh out of the hills! Oh, she's already naked - that's just how fat she is!"

They get straw, 'cause they inflate on hay. Hafta dry-lot 'em to keep 'em from exploding when the grass starts growing in the spring.
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Yeah, it is funny how different individuals react to the same feed. Then there are the hooves. I have found donkeys will slipper up really easily. I have one who has iron hooves that are always slippering on the same surface as one who looks normal. Trimming the first one has defeated more than one farrier. I just recently discovered that hacksaws work better than nippers!
 
Old Zoo said:
Yeah, it is funny how different individuals react to the same feed. Then there are the hooves. I have found donkeys will slipper up really easily. I have one who has iron hooves that are always slippering on the same surface as one who looks normal. Trimming the first one has defeated more than one farrier. I just recently discovered that hacksaws work better than nippers!
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When you've got that level of foot to take off, a hacksaw is your bestest friend! Just be damned sure of where you're placing the cut, or you can end up in *SERIOUSLY* deep shit before you even catch a warning whiff of it.
 
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