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Why for me the human being is hypocritical

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indraa57

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Why is it that when in films such as Star Trek or Star Wars, human beings have relationships or children with "extraterrestrial species" it's wonderful the human being is open-minded, but when it comes to inter-species relationships here, on our blue planet, we are treated as mentally disturbed people, that it's abject, etc...
We have never heard film critics or associations or people say that it is disgusting in films because they are 'extraterrestrial species'.
As far as I know, it's the same principle, inter-species.
Just tried to talk about bestiality with friends and see their reactions, while 5 minutes before they were saying how great it would be if we meet extraterrestrials and human beings become multi-planets and mix with other species etc.... If that's not hypocrisy, I don't know what is.
Please tell me, How can we explain that we give too and receive love? We have real emotional relationships with our four-legged friends.
 
indraa57 said:
Why is it that when in films such as Star Trek or Star Wars, human beings have relationships or children with "extraterrestrial species" it's wonderful the human being is open-minded, but when it comes to inter-species relationships here, on our blue planet, we are treated as mentally disturbed people, that it's abject, etc...
We have never heard film critics or associations or people say that it is disgusting in films because they are 'extraterrestrial species'.
As far as I know, it's the same principle, inter-species.
Just tried to talk about bestiality with friends and see their reactions, while 5 minutes before they were saying how great it would be if we meet extraterrestrials and human beings become multi-planets and mix with other species etc.... If that's not hypocrisy, I don't know what is.
Please tell me, How can we explain that we give too and receive love? We have real emotional relationships with our four-legged friends.
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In science fiction it is seen as acceptable since the other species are either equal in intellect or have greater intellect that humans do, not to mention having the ability to mate and produce offspring with those other species. Since animals do not have the same level of communication and civilization building as humans do it is not viewed the same to the general populace.
 
I do not remember any movie that would show any human-alien offspring with animalistic or intelligent but animal like looking aliens. (Except the violent ones like Alien). Animals are universally seen as lesser than people so all the compatible alien species have always been very human like.
 
ok I misspoke I think, sorry, what I meant by that is that we are animals ourselves, having sentimental relationships or more with our friends, why do people willingly admit a lot of sexual orientation, but we have problems with it? As far as I know we don't hurt our loves. What can we do to prove that we deserve to be recognised as such? I have no ideas, and it can hurt a lot to be judged and especially defamed.
Mentally it's very difficult when that happens.
 
indraa57 said:
ok I misspoke I think, sorry, what I meant by that is that we are animals ourselves, having sentimental relationships or more with our friends, why do people willingly admit a lot of sexual orientation, but we have problems with it? As far as I know we don't hurt our loves. What can we do to prove that we deserve to be recognised as such? I have no ideas, and it can hurt a lot to be judged and especially defamed.
Mentally it's very difficult when that happens.
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You're going to have to wait until society can get a grip on the idea that animals can consent and that zoophilia can be mutual. So far I've only noticed a few European countries doing that - most of society seems to be closed off to it.
 
indraa57 said:
ok I misspoke I think, sorry, what I meant by that is that we are animals ourselves, having sentimental relationships or more with our friends, why do people willingly admit a lot of sexual orientation, but we have problems with it? As far as I know we don't hurt our loves. What can we do to prove that we deserve to be recognised as such? I have no ideas, and it can hurt a lot to be judged and especially defamed.
Mentally it's very difficult when that happens.
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The longer I am on this website the more I am starting to question whether zoophilia should be legalized. You do not have to go further than the porn section to see what people are willing to do to an animal for their own pleasure. I have seen drugged horses, bound dogs, dildogging, fake cum, training animals for sex, peanut butter, holding dogs in place, moving the entire animal to simulate sex, painful anal sex... And that is only the part that is allowed on this website, there is a lot more evil going on that you will not see here.
Do we actually want to give people the ability to "identify as zoo" and then legally abuse animals for basically money in many cases?
How many real zoophiles do you think are there from the 50 000 users on this website who would actually benefit from zoo being a recognized orientation?
 
pes said:
The longer I am on this website the more I am starting to question whether zoophilia should be legalized. You do not have to go further than the porn section to see what people are willing to do to an animal for their own pleasure. I have seen drugged horses, bound dogs, dildogging, fake cum, training animals for sex, peanut butter, holding dogs in place, moving the entire animal to simulate sex, painful anal sex... And that is only the part that is allowed on this website, there is a lot more evil going on that you will not see here.
Do we actually want to give people the ability to "identify as zoo" and then legally abuse animals for basically money in many cases?
How many real zoophiles do you think are there from the 50 000 users on this website who would actually benefit from zoo being a recognized orientation?
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Think of all the people who hide their consensual sex with their family dog or barn horse that you don't know about, and won't ever know about. Should they be punished because of some of the zoosadists on the web? They certainly shouldn't be.
 
Usually in science-fiction alien species are usually genetically similar enough to produce offspring, so to us it isn't seen as overly weird. But if a fictional character was to have a relationship with something different like a space-polar bear or a dragon I'm sure more people would object to the idea.

If you think about real life, if humans were capable of producing offspring with animals when it's likely our society would see interspecies relationships very differently. Same thing if same-sex couples could produce children (cough, male pregnancy, cough) then it's certain that it wouldn't have been seen as a sin when religion originally formed.
 
Pillar said:
Think of all the people who hide their consensual sex with their family dog or barn horse that you don't know about, and won't ever know about. Should they be punished because of some of the zoosadists on the web? They certainly shouldn't be.
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Exactly. ??? its possible to legalize zoophilia but still punish people who actually abuse animals. The main problem is the general population doesn't want to acknowledge that there is a difference between a willing animal and an unwilling one: in their eyes all animals are devoid of sexual attraction outside of "regular mating" (or devoid of it completely because their animals were "fixed" like their sexual nature was a broken thing to have in the first place just like our sexual attraction to animals is "broken" as well... both of these reasons are normally based on pure intolerance. I can almost guarantee that if everyone stopped "fixing" animals people would see just how common it is for dogs to initiate sexual behavior with people, but no that's an unwanted behavior so dogs are fixed regularly, just ask any professional dog trainer how often they've seen dogs with "humping habits") Quite frankly society doesn't care about a taboo minority enough to see the differences between consensual zoo sex and legitimate sexual abuse. All it takes is knowing animal body language and understanding how they consent to each other in a natural mating scenario to see a truth that is clearly visible. All these anti-zoos blind with hate want proof that animals are capable of consenting yet refuse to accept it even if you give them real life examples of animals doing just that ?
 
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This is an interesting conversation: Weighing up why it is acceptable for aliens to procreate with humans, in fiction, and society failing to grasp that animals do have the ability to consent, albeit in a limited way, in reality.

You gift the body of humanity with an equal intelligence across the board, when in reality, every person is different. You have to legislate for the norm, not the elite few or the lower end of society. You can never legislate for every individual. Most of us can work out the ethics for ourselves, in the long run. Do we just leave it up to the individual?

Aliens, in science fiction, are by definition, a fiction. So can we just forget that half of the question and focus on the reality of the question?

I wish that society would just accept our zoo world as an acceptable lifestyle.
 
I think it's because the vast majority of alien species in science fiction resemble humans in a multitude of ways, including our mental/physiological ability and social behavior. Most aliens only differ by having bizarre or colorful phenotypical differences.

Most pets on the other hand are significantly different from humans in cognitive ability and behavior. In fact we are probably more similar to sci fi bipedal aliens physiologically than our pets.
 
As far as The SF world's acceptance of things WE will not in human society is concerned, the authors are writing about far-future worlds in very distant locations. It's thus quite easy to accept interspecies affairs. They are writing FICTION, however real it may seem. These authors have been writing such fiction for more than 150 years now. Speculative fiction has roots in Verne, Shelley and Poe, among others, as well as mythology from many cultures from Greece to Finland, Africa to North America, and all points of the 3D Compass. In such stories, not only are I-S Relationships accepted, they are expected. But remember that those who read and follow the literature are no more mainstream than a zoophiliac, on average. The readers who drive those authors push the subjects into the mainstream mundane world's Entertainment bubble via dollars spent. They spend money on an interest....in large part WE do not. Whether we would if there was a place to spend it or a reason to is not at issue. The fact is, we don't. Its not like a sport: zoophilia doesnt sell beer or soft drinks. We don't buy tickets to Beasty fuck-offs, or support local teams. With no money in it, no possibility of monetization that doesn't disappear down some third world rathole for laundry- services, we are and will remain everybody's pump. Why would anyone expect that to change? Andrew Warhola said we'd ALL be famous for 15 minutes in the future....I just hope we each get to pick what for.
This little taboo was safer when the Net did not exist. Those who are born to it will keep it alive, but the fads and fashionistas will move on. But the kind of acceptance you're yearning for isn't happening in the world as we know it. Every world in the SF Universe is different, even if the same author creates them. Every author creates characters to drive a particular story with a theme and moral of its own. LIFE drives....life. No more, no less.
 
pes said:
The longer I am on this website the more I am starting to question whether zoophilia should be legalized. [...] Do we actually want to give people the ability to "identify as zoo" and then legally abuse animals for basically money in many cases?
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The answer is easy: disallow abuse, allow non-abusive sex. That's also how we handle sex between humans.
 
pes said:
The longer I am on this website the more I am starting to question whether zoophilia should be legalized. You do not have to go further than the porn section to see what people are willing to do to an animal for their own pleasure. I have seen drugged horses, bound dogs, dildogging, fake cum, training animals for sex, peanut butter, holding dogs in place, moving the entire animal to simulate sex, painful anal sex... And that is only the part that is allowed on this website, there is a lot more evil going on that you will not see here.
Do we actually want to give people the ability to "identify as zoo" and then legally abuse animals for basically money in many cases?
How many real zoophiles do you think are there from the 50 000 users on this website who would actually benefit from zoo being a recognized orientation?
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On this site? Im calling bullshit. Show me. Its NOT allowed.

But i get your point, FORBIDDEN_WEBSITE! is those things. NOT ZV.
 
indraa57 said:
Why is it that when in films such as Star Trek or Star Wars, human beings have relationships or children with "extraterrestrial species" it's wonderful the human being is open-minded, but when it comes to inter-species relationships here, on our blue planet, we are treated as mentally disturbed people, that it's abject, etc...
We have never heard film critics or associations or people say that it is disgusting in films because they are 'extraterrestrial species'.
As far as I know, it's the same principle, inter-species.
Just tried to talk about bestiality with friends and see their reactions, while 5 minutes before they were saying how great it would be if we meet extraterrestrials and human beings become multi-planets and mix with other species etc.... If that's not hypocrisy, I don't know what is.
Please tell me, How can we explain that we give too and receive love? We have real emotional relationships with our four-legged friends.
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Before we can treat animals like humans, we should first start treating all humans like humans, and that's never happening. There are still many places where interracial marriage is bestiality level socially unacceptable
 
ZTHorse said:
On this site? Im calling bullshit. Show me. Its NOT allowed.

But i get your point, FORBIDDEN_WEBSITE! is those things. NOT ZV.
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I have personally flagged posts which were then removed by admins which had:
bound dogs, peanut butter, holding dogs in place and moving the entire animal to simulate sex and forcing dogs to stay.

And I have seen but not flagged:
drugged horses, dildogging, fake cum, training animals for sex, peanut butter and painful anal sex.
Because in some cases it is hard to prove or not forbidden here.

I am not going to go through 900 messages in history to find those. But simple search for training and dildogging will show you that there are people here who support it and like it for example.
 
Delver32 said:
Before we can treat animals like humans, we should first start treating all humans like humans, and that's never happening. There are still many places where interracial marriage is bestiality level socially unacceptable
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Don't be so negative, please. Look at the places that are leading the development rather than those that trail behind. Things have improved a lot in terms of racial equality within a century. And they can improve for zoos too. They don't have to improve everywhere at the same time.
 
FF24 said:
Excuse me, wtf?
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Very large amount of commercial porn uses fake cum for dogs and horses. While I have not seen dog fake cum here yet, I have seen many videos of horses with fake cum. It usually goes like this:
A mexican woman that is considered attractive by the majority is sucking a limp horse penis of a completely uninterested horse. Cut. She spits out a mouthful of thick lube. Anyone who has ever seen a real horse cumshot knows it does not work that way.
Some commercial porn even uses this thick cum for dogs.
In a different thread we established and proven by a scietific study on zoophilia, that these horses while hard to prove, are probably calmed down by drugs to just stand there.
 
PES, you see that this is the problem or one of the problems, you immediately think about sex, you think it's the most important thing? not for me, the most important thing is to be happy and for them to be happy too.
and I agree I think that zoosadists or all those who mistreat animals are harming us.
 
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