We should make a zoophile economy
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Supporting each other like this is like the LGBTQ underground in the 50's and 60's.... love the idea!
However in the 21st century, there would be enough of a trail for ones against us to sit, watch, be patient and create a massive outing list. Never underestimate the tenacity of a bored zealot.
Let's work on a "HOW" to do this safely and I am so in!
However in the 21st century, there would be enough of a trail for ones against us to sit, watch, be patient and create a massive outing list. Never underestimate the tenacity of a bored zealot.
Let's work on a "HOW" to do this safely and I am so in!
The internet gives good enough anonymity to buy and sell things without the knowledge of just anybody, right? Besides, the whole point would be so that we don't have to hide. If we're content to hide then we could all just remain how we are. Dependent on a society that despises us for our livelihoods.
How it would work is that everyone would make a conscious effort to support businesses that support zoophiles over other businesses. And the market would naturally respond by catering to us more as a demographic.
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Jewelry Fish
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Sadly, this is false. The internet isn’t nearly as secure and anonymous as we think.
Also, I hate to be the dream-crushing jerk, but:
1. Zoophiles are a VERY tiny minority. Compared to the rest of the population, we’re just a crumb of the pie. Plus, we’re spread out all over the place, so wherever you chose to put these businesses, you’re going to get an even smaller fraction actually being able to contribute. Even if we all band together, it’d be an ant fighting a gorilla.
2. The public is NOT gonna let a business get away with “Animal abuse”. Cancel culture is awfully effective towards small businesses.
3. It would be marketing suicide to support and fund a business ran by zoophiles. Keep in mind, we’re on the same level as pedophiles in the eyes of the outside world. We’re not even allowed to have a platform on most major social media sites, so it’s going to be even harder to get something going irl.
4. There are a pretty significant chunk of zoos who aren’t really looking for public acceptance, they just wanna be left alone. That, and most of the “zoos” you see here are actually bestialists and people looking for animal sex, and I highly doubt they care for any of that. So there goes a pretty big fraction of help.
5. What kind of businesses would you propose? A lot of stuff has either been monopolized, or has far more popularity in other companies. Starting a business is not easy (Trust me, I know). You need employees, investments, investors, a platform to sell your stuff, cheap, easily accessible resources, marketing strategies, etc. Like I already said before, we’re small in numbers, very few of us are business savvy, and nobody sane is going to want to support us.
6. If only zoos are buying out your products, you’re going to run out of business real quick.
It sounds like a nice idea, and in retrospect, I’d probably enjoy seeing it come to life, but as of right now, it’s a highly unrealistic goal.
Can you give an actual example of this being the case? I know that website owners can see your IP address. That's why I said "not just anyone". It's not like some random antizoo could look at a website and figure out from there the identities of everyone who visits that website.
Yes, we're divided, but that's the problem I'm trying to fix by making this thread. And anyways, I don't think we need vast numbers to make this possible.
Except we wouldn't be "fighting" anything. We would simply be supporting each other. It's not like the public can legally tear down our businesses.
The whole idea is to make "the public" irrelevant to our lives, by providing sufficient support to each other.
It would be marketing suicide if you were trying to appeal to the general public, yes. As for platforming, we can make our own websites.
All types of businesses. Yes, things have been monopolized, but the point is to encourage people to support businesses which support zoophiles over ones that don't. So that would create a new niche. Businesses might start competing over that niche, by publicly supporting us more.
Why would that be the case?
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Ummm, zoophilia is not my livelyhood. It's my orientation.
Ookami
Citizen of Zooville
Also I simply don't believe we can produce anything. Most stuff we use is industrially made, that's why it's so cheap. I mean yes, I can build a few gadgets - for example encrypted persistent life USB sticks or other it stuff - but food ? could do that in a commune to some extend but not globally as that's too expensive. Clothes ? Have fun paying hundreds of dollars for a t-shirt. Houses ? Medical care ? Also Taxes - the whole thing will just bleed out money unless we have some serious money in the first place. And if you publish your business here it's bound to get publicity.
1) You would be very negatively surprised how effective the law can be when something gets media coverage.
2) We WOULD be fighting, the very idea of economic isolation from the rest of the world is waging war. What do you think, why do wars start to begin with? In the past they could be for control over some territory, now? Purely for economical reasons.
3) You could argue that we would be too small for the world to bother. But that's impossible and others have already explained why: big scale lowers costs. You have to either be on the scale of China or USA, trade with the rest of the world or get back to the 19th century. First option is impossible, second is dependent on "the society", which you want to avoid and third... I'm not signing up for the third.
We would not gain complete independence even if we were to have acceptance right now.
It’s raining some cold, hard truth up in here!
nekdoneco123
Esteemed Citizen of ZV
care to give one example of how would that work?
Wasbitchpolly
Prized Citizen of ZV
Back to plan B then ??
FeralLovin'
Citizen of Zooville
I can see supporting an online business that might sell dog supplies or food or some zoo memorabilia and mail it. Going to a physical shop to risk identification wouldn't be worth it. Also, exclusively buying from each other seems a bit too restrictive. I'm zoo exclusive, not shopping exclusive. I'll go to wherever the deals are.
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Jewelry Fish
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Well there’s IP addresses which you mentioned, hackers, Big tech selling your data, there’s a pretty high chance we’re being watched by the government, tracking of where your purchases come from and where they go, etc etc. You’d have to equip yourself with some pretty good internet condoms to get adequate protection. For me personally, I don’t think it’s worth the hassle to buy from some shady underground business when I could just shop at the grocery store safe and worry-free.
You need vast numbers to make anything in business possible. As @ryirkil already stated, vast numbers=lower prices. Smaller numbers=higher prices. Most people aren’t going to want to buy more expensive products, and if you don’t have an efficient way of making said products, your money is going down the drain.
......Maybe we live in two different countries. In America, that can and does happen. Businesses have been shut down and companies reformed solely because people get offended by them. There’s nothing stopping anyone from shutting down these business when what they perceive to be actual harm is being supported.
Plus, we’d literally be supporting and giving a platform to people who break the law, so the government has every right to get involved.
You can’t support a business without fighting against those that are trying to bring it down. If you don’t have a defense mechanism, the offense can and will take over.
The public is the majority. They will always be relevant to our lives. They make the laws, they have the power to create dangerous, bloodthirsty mobs that greatly outnumber us, etc. That kind of attitude is going to get people hurt.
I wish you luck in trying to keep those sites safe for long then. Even ZV has had trouble trying to keep this forum safe from trolls and others trying to bring it down.
Even if you’re not trying to appeal to the general public, the public will still find out of the existence of this site, and try to bring it down.
And how many business savvy people are you willing to bet are here?
And as stated before, you need numbers to keep businesses afloat. We don’t have that. You’d only be getting like 1 to 10 regular customers per business, and that is not going to be even close to being able to cover expenses, much less make a profit. Even niche business know how to market in order to get those numbers.
Also...”Businesses might start competing over that niche by publicly supporting us more”? Do we have the same definition of competing? I’m confused. Because when I see businesses competing with each other, I don’t see Nike and Adidas holding hands and trying to lift each other up. They try to one up each other and drown the other out of the market. That’s how competition works.
As I stated: Zoos are a small minority. Small businesses usually have higher prices.
If you do the math, you only have a few people buying your products for these bloated prices, and you’re not going to make enough money to support your business. Making a business costs money, and if you don’t have enough, you don’t have a business. That’s what happened with ToysRUs: They weren’t getting customers and their debt was piling up, so they had to file for bankruptcy.
Only for us, I highly doubt the banks are going to let zoophiles file for bankruptcy.
Wasbitchpolly
Prized Citizen of ZV
There’s this misapprehension that there are millions of us , not sure how many and NOBODY else does either , most of us hide away and just get on with our zoo lives so the thought of some sort of zoo shop makes me cringe
can’t see anybody going through the door or even online the amount of information you have to give is terrifying
its a nice dream but just leave it at that....a dream
can’t see anybody going through the door or even online the amount of information you have to give is terrifying
its a nice dream but just leave it at that....a dream
ThatGirlAmber
Tourist
I completely agree with that. the idea is awesome but having all the info out there is just asking for trouble
saddlebum66
Supreme Citizen of ZV
Got a physical area and population the Size of the State of Utah? Theyve been trying to establish a closed economy for Mormons for a hundred and eighty years. Hasn't worked YET. The Amish, and Chinatowns across the Nation speak to the same ideas....but without the Markets, closed economies fail.
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Alpha Cat
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I have seen a few videos of a town that claimed to be free from the government and the economy. All of them had people selling weed to the town next door. Needless to say, prostitution was the only commodity that a lot of the women had to trade in exchange for food and shelter.
saddlebum66
Supreme Citizen of ZV
Why is prostitution " needless to say"?...it isnt inevitable. That makes no sense, unless these women are being pressured to take that role. More, why are they selling weed to the town next door? Presumably that town IS subject to government. Videos are shot with POV....Id question the story that goes with the footage
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Alpha Cat
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Look up Slab City on Youtube. Women go into prostitution because they are forced by poverty. Yes, the people sell weed illegally to the town next door. There have been several documentaries of Slab City in California. A lot has changed over the past ten years. Originally, the town was a lawless RV town where residents would sleep homeless in their RV. They lived off the grid, mostly. Since, a few documentaries came out about the place about ten years ago, the place has become a tourist attraction. A lot of young, idealistic, artistic, Bohemian waifs go there enthralled with the idea of an anarchist utopia ripe for artistic expression. A lot of them moved in and began making abstract art. The town, now, hosts lots of music festivals.
And yes, there is still drugs and prostitution there. Wherever there is homelessness or starving artists there will be drugs and prostitution. FACT!
Real-life doesn't always care about the law, otherwise, there would be no crime, period. The legal system doesn't seem to be stopping the active zoos on here, now, does it?
saddlebum66
Supreme Citizen of ZV
I dont question the idea....But you described it in terms that sounded way more legit than it is. Its not a town, and has no real economy of its own. Its an anarchic colony based around the drugs....
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Alpha Cat
Guest
You are correct. However, it is a town although the living conditions are more akin to the living conditions of a town in a third world country. There is a real economy, one based on bartering and on exports, the illegal exports of drugs. It is not the kind of economy that I would ever want to be a part of but it is an economy nonetheless.
You are right in that it is an anarchist colony but not entirely, for they do have a council of elders, for lack of better words, and they do seem to call the shots. I suspect that it is only a matter of time before they get absorbed into another district. As the population grows, so will the crime. They will need a law enforcement presence and then the people will be forced to pay local taxes. That should not be a problem however since the town seems to have slowly become a tourist attraction for its art, music, and wild parties.
SigmaTheZeta
Esteemed Citizen of ZV
I would be more interested in supporting businesses that are owned by people, zooey or otherwise, that clearly support us, even by just having someone who is openly zooey working for their company. If a company would still have a job for me if everyone knew I was a zoo, then I don't mind buying their stuff. Staying on my good side is easy: just don't discriminate.
Knotlover39
Tourist
I admit I did not read all post.
When I saw the title I was like " Oh, what a god-awful idea ?"
Therw are so many examples that proof, that if a social movement or group was turned into a business with acted according to economic rules, its FUBAR in no time...
My example here is the Faith in gods?
It was a good idea and helped our preeeeeeeeeeeancesters to create rules for a good living in tribes. But then it got organised like a corporation, ruled like one and got a economic power and turned the back to people who love god.
Economic faith, aka religion, brought us the dark middle ages, crusades, with hunts and a 1000 year stop on our cultur, science, medicin ect.
Dont want that to happen to our faith and trust in loving animals.
When I saw the title I was like " Oh, what a god-awful idea ?"
Therw are so many examples that proof, that if a social movement or group was turned into a business with acted according to economic rules, its FUBAR in no time...
My example here is the Faith in gods?
It was a good idea and helped our preeeeeeeeeeeancesters to create rules for a good living in tribes. But then it got organised like a corporation, ruled like one and got a economic power and turned the back to people who love god.
Economic faith, aka religion, brought us the dark middle ages, crusades, with hunts and a 1000 year stop on our cultur, science, medicin ect.
Dont want that to happen to our faith and trust in loving animals.
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BeRalDUlT
Guest
We could use dogecoin 
While I understand the motivation and would gladly adhere to the movement, putting money in it and trusting other zoophiles is just the worst move you can possibly make. Not only zoophiles are just like any other morons out there, looking at the past drama just shows how unreliable and unstable they are. Plus putting all eggs in the same basket is really not the solution. You'll attract all kind of abusers and scammers all too enticed to rob you with the threat of doxxing you. Just forget this idea altogether, it doesn't work at large scale. Even friends you trust one day can turn against you. It wouldn't be much of a problem if that could be handled gracefully, but having animals under your cares will be the first victims of the collateral damages. Sorry to sound so unfunny and unsupportive, but as we say, been there, done that...