Thoughts on the "it's a slippery slope" argument?

[Iridescent Dragon]

One semi common argument I've heard from antis is "zoosexuality is a slippery slope into pedophilia".
Personally I think that's incredibly silly. That's like saying because you like getting spanked in bed in five years the only way you'll get off is by burning your nipples off and getting stomped on (not kink shaming anyone lmao, just trying to give an example)
I dont think it's fair at all to compare zoos to pedophiles. Animals have libidos and understand what sex is. If your dog is in heat and she gets loose, she will seek out a sex partner. Children dont do that.

 

[Curiousknottylady]

Two totally different things. Animals can consent kids can not. Now is it a slippery slope for fucking different animals yeah I can see that lol

 

[nekdoneco123]

well, the easiest thing to do is to simply not engage with antis... and if you have to, just avoid the ones that somehow think that zoosexuality is in any way similar to pedophilia

 

[Jewelry Fish]

This stems from the belief that zoophilia is a fetish, not a sexuality. If you’re naturally attracted to animals and not kids, then that argument is pretty silly.

But yes, with how desensitized people are becoming to pornagraphic content, it gets harder for anyone to get aroused anymore, so people go to the extremes. Like when young psychopaths start by killing small animals and eventually wind up killing people. It’s why people worry about excessive consumption of pornagraphic content: One could end up getting into some things they do not want to get into.

I can see why some would be concerned about that for the kinksters here, but I think even they know there’s a line that must never be crossed. So I can see where this argument is coming from, but in reality, most people acknowledge that line, and if you’ve seen pedos trying to ally themselves with zoos, the backlash they get speaks for itself. It’s highly unlikely that bestiality will lead to that extreme. Nobody here is gonna let that happen.

 

[nekdoneco123]

This stems from the belief that zoophilia is a fetish, not a sexuality. If you’re naturally attracted to animals and not kids, then that argument is pretty silly.

But yes, with how desensitized people are becoming to pornagraphic content, it gets harder for anyone to get aroused anymore, so people go to the extremes. Like when young psychopaths start by killing small animals and eventually wind up killing people. It’s why people worry about excessive consumption of pornagraphic content: One could end up getting into some things they do not want to get into.

I can see why some would be concerned about that for the kinksters here, but I think even they know there’s a line that must never be crossed. So I can see where this argument is coming from, but in reality, most people acknowledge that line, and if you’ve seen pedos trying to ally themselves with zoos, the backlash they get speaks for itself. It’s highly unlikely that bestiality will lead to that extreme. Nobody here is gonna let that happen.

well, it is pretty safe to assume some portion of visitors here are here for "weird sex" because regular porn doesn't do it for them anymore. there's also the portion with the same "it's just a fetish" belief.. then there's "zoo-wife" seekers and "oh, it's so degrading" kinksters and of course "one more thing on my list" kinksters.... that's so sad i forgot what my point even was...

 

[jellybean56]

One semi common argument I've heard from antis is "zoosexuality is a slippery slope into pedophilia".
Personally I think that's incredibly silly. That's like saying because you like getting spanked in bed in five years the only way you'll get off is by burning your nipples off and getting stomped on (not kink shaming anyone lmao, just trying to give an example)
I dont think it's fair at all to compare zoos to pedophiles. Animals have libidos and understand what sex is. If your dog is in heat and she gets loose, she will seek out a sex partner. Children dont do that.

Well, if you spend just a bit of time in this forum you'll notice a common theme among posts - Because zoophilia is deemed immoral by society, may as well throw all other morals out of the window too. I don't agree with it and it annoys me that this community is essentially full of absolute degenerates with no morals for the most part. There are some good eggs tho. So no, I wouldn't be surprised if there is pedos in here, most likely is, but its a banned topic so they don't come out of the woodworks.

 

[pes]

It may also be partially caused by people constantly comparing mature and largely self sustainable animals to kids which is silly. Intelligence comparison like this kind of works but at the same time does not. While a 3 year old may have the predictive abilities of a border collie, the kid would not survive on it's own and has no understanding of mating at all. A 3 years old dog is pretty much capable of living in the wild and has fully developed senses and communications skills.

 

[Marcdoguksw]

Two totally different things. Animals can consent kids can not. Now is it a slippery slope for fucking different animals yeah I can see that lol

For me the problem is as much about trauma as consent. If someone has sex with a willing animal the animal does not lie awake worrying about what happended or feeling guitly and dirty for the next twenty years.. Children DO have to live with the emotional damage...

 

[Alpha Cat]

The slippery slope argument hinges on the fact that there is a linear progression in regards to the perceived moral standards of degeneracy. Theoretically, this began with the change of attitudes from sex within marriage to sexual promiscuity. Next, came the legalization of interracial marriage (The Man Act). Then came the formation of the LGBT and its eventual legalization of gay marriage. Now, according to the progression theory, bestiality is next, followed by pedophilia.

There is just one problem with this argument; it assumes that each sexual movement is built upon the back of the last. If there is one thing that I have learned as a Zoo it is that Zoophilia is not built on the back of any other movement. For example, there have been plenty of Zoos that have made it clear that they do not support interracial couples. Even though there are gays within the Zoo community, I know for a fact that there are gays who cannot stand Zoos. Don't believe me? Look up Coyote Lovely on Youtube and read the comments while you're there. Finally, I have noticed that most all Zoos hate Pedos with every fiber of their being. I personally think pedos are delusional, display psychopathic tendencies, and are evil.
Many Zoos prefer a committed relationship and are not at all promiscuous.

All in all, most Zoos tend to be private people and just want to be left alone. The truth is that there is no progression. There have always been Zoos. There have always been gays. We know from the brothels in medieval Europe and the outbreak of Syphilis that there have always been promiscuous people.

As far as the notion of the legalization of pedophilia is concerned, keep in mind that our ancestors have always gone through great lengths to protect and safeguard their children; this goes well beyond any legal system and is a part of our very genetic makeup, a key element that is quintessential to the evolutionary process itself. People will overthrow their government before they let you take their children and hand them over to sickos.

 

[petite-pony]

What do I think of the argument?

Pitiful. The "Slippery Slope" is used to instill fear into the Sheep about things that are perceived as different or 'unnatural' . It uses the fact that every actually degenerate behavior has to start from SOMEWHERE, and they just love to use that bring that fear to the surface. Be it Gays being the slope to pedophilia before us, or the argument that marijuana leads to a slope of drug abuse, in my opinion, it's always used as a form of control and a form of making the 'everyman' feel that at least there's someone out there more disgusting than him.

This argument in particular holds no weight. Animals can consent, animals that consent are sexually mature adults for their given species. Children are not adults. Children cannot and will not ever be able to consent. Ever try sexy time with a horse that's just not into it? Did you make it out of there alive?

Children are innocent and vulnerable and need adults to protect them, and to protect them from stupid arguments like this and encourage them to form their own opinions while we're at it.

 

[cernunnosthehooved]

I don't think there's ever been an instance where Slippery Slope was invoked as an intellectually coherent point of argument. Discuss a subject based on its own merits or demerits, and not based on topics that are subjectively tangential to it.

 

[Pillar]

I don't think there's ever been an instance where Slippery Slope was invoked as an intellectually coherent point of argument. Discuss a subject based on its own merits or demerits, and not based on topics that are subjectively tangential to it.

Logic usually does not apply to the antis, and if they can argue logically, they'll eventually throw out that logic in favor of their own biases.

 

[AloneOnPhobos]

Two totally different things. Animals can consent kids can not.

I think that is an interesting point.
In my country the consent is (legally) a matter of fact, but for children the consent is null and void for different reasons:
1. Children don't know the social meaning of sex, which results in an information imbalance
2. There is an extreme high risk of developing mental disorders eg. depression, anxiety disorder and much more
3. Children always see adults as authority and can't push trough their own interest and will.

I wonder if you can transfer these points (at least 2+3) to animals.
Are there studys regarding point 2, which indicate that animals develop mental disorders when they have sex with a human?
Since animals see their owner as kind of authority/leader who gives them shelter, food and care..is there maybe a power imbalance, which influences the voluntariness of the 'consent'?

 

[Wasbitchpolly]

Well, if you spend just a bit of time in this forum you'll notice a common theme among posts - Because zoophilia is deemed immoral by society, may as well throw all other morals out of the window too. I don't agree with it and it annoys me that this community is essentially full of absolute degenerates with no morals for the most part. There are some good eggs tho. So no, I wouldn't be surprised if there is pedos in here, most likely is, but its a banned topic so they don't come out of the woodworks.

I’d love to see this in the dumpster

 

[caikgoch]

2. There is an extreme high risk of developing mental disorders eg. depression, anxiety disorder and much more

Have you ever heard the phrase "proud horse"? It should tell you how much the social costs of sex concern horses.

3. Children always see adults as authority and can't push trough their own interest and will.

While there are squeeze chutes and other mechanical ways to compel horses, ask any handler how much luck you will have forcing an unrestrained horse to do anything they don't want to do.

 

[AloneOnPhobos]

While there are squeeze chutes and other mechanical ways to compel horses, ask any handler how much luck you will have forcing an unrestrained horse to do anything they don't want to do.

But the same goes for riding I guess - they will try to throw you off if they are not trained yet. I'm just curious and wanted to give an open question if the human understanding of the word consent is applicable to owners and their animals.

 

[caikgoch]

But the same goes for riding I guess - they will try to throw you off if they are not trained yet. I'm just curious and wanted to give an open question if the human understanding of the word consent is applicable to owners and their animals.

Most horses are mechanically restrained while being ridden. I ride bitless but it's rare among average riders. A bit is a device of bars and levers inserted into a horse's mouth for the purpose of applying pressure to their tongue. You can look at the lever on the side of the horse's face to gauge how aggressive (painful) a bit is.

Watch some movies with horses (Westerns). Actors like to jerk the reins around for dramatic effect. Watch the horse. When a horse starts jerking their head around or throwing it up, they are feeling pain.

 

[cernunnosthehooved]

Logic usually does not apply to the antis, and if they can argue logically, they'll eventually throw out that logic in favor of their own biases.

Logic tends to not apply to anybody when they're bolstered by an echo chamber. Anti-zoo sentiment is more of a virtue signal among younger generations, and nobody is allowed to question the virtues of their generation unless they want immediate castigation.

So yes, while most antis don't bother with an original thought about the subject, the ones who do invariably fumble their logical applications. If somebody seems particularly earnest in their desire to convince the other side, then you can implement your treasure trove of facts/statistics/logic etc to attempt a dialogue.. If they don't, then you gotta pick your battles accordingly.

 

[Pillar]

Logic tends to not apply to anybody when they're bolstered by an echo chamber. Anti-zoo sentiment is more of a virtue signal among younger generations, and nobody is allowed to question the virtues of their generation unless they want immediate castigation.

So yes, while most antis don't bother with an original thought about the subject, the ones who do invariably fumble their logical applications. If somebody seems particularly earnest in their desire to convince the other side, then you can implement your treasure trove of facts/statistics/logic etc to attempt a dialogue.. If they don't, then you gotta pick your battles accordingly.

I couldn't say it's the younger generations (as we certainly have young adults on here) but it certainly was a more recent phenomenon.

 

[cernunnosthehooved]

I couldn't say it's the younger generations (as we certainly have young adults on here) but it certainly was a more recent phenomenon.

Well yes, every single demographic will have some amount of representation among a sexuality continuum. The age of outspoken shameless virtue signaling is certainly dawning most strongly among younger people though.

 

[Ruben]

Well yes, every single demographic will have some amount of representation among a sexuality continuum. The age of outspoken shameless virtue signaling is certainly dawning most strongly among younger people though.

Young people tend to be bold, the elderly tend to be bald.