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The MO of zoo police

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PonyLove

Esteemed Citizen of ZV
Just curious as to what you think are the tactics practiced by those that want to catch you, lock you up and throw away the key for zoophilia?

Now I think most know of the usual cases as in AZ, ol' Joe louring those to AZ with promises of sheep and ponies to play with. And those cases where certain "farms" that solicit outsiders where the word gets out that illegal animal activities are happening. And sure we remember Enumclaw, WA.

I periodically Google to find cases where people had got caught, and it seems the majority are those that take the liberty to trespass and get caught on video tape, or witnessed by the owner. Also those that are entrusted to animal care that get caught on tape. And some that are outed by a girlfriend. And those that are bold enough to get caught red handed out in the field trying to seduce a mare. or stallion

Now on the internet, seems maybe some grooming would need to be involved, but I can't really recall reading too many cases other then the ones in AZ, where the internet was involved in catching someone. Of course after someone is caught and they look at their computer search history and find loads of animal porn, but thats after the fact.

So what are the red flags? The obvious ones seem evident.
 
Well really, everyone’s a red flag. You could be one of the most trusted members one moment, and manage to doxx half the site the next. There’s more obvious flags such as unfamiliar people attempting to lure you in with promises of sex, and then there’s the more hidden ones: people you may consider friends, maybe people you’ve met before. If I were trying to lure people into a trap, I would personally take the more secretive route. It’s more effective, wouldn’t you say? Slowly poisoning things from the inside out without anyone knowing they’re dying. The “frogs in a frying pan” method. And that could be anyone who employs this tactic. It doesn’t take a charming psychopath to play with the minds of others. As long as you know the tricks, anyone can do it. If you play it right and have enough charisma, you could ruin as many lives as you please. Nobody would ever know until it was too late.

There’s no one or direct way to gain one’s trust for ulterior motives. At the end of the day, just be careful how much of yourself you put on the internet. Anyone and everyone could be a danger to your life. Trust is something you have to fight to earn here. You can never truly know if someone has ulterior motives or not, so it’s best to always excercise caution. You don’t have to be majorly paranoid, but you shouldn’t be too lax either.
 
I would caution one other thing, if it is a law enforcement operation, they will attempt to get you to go to underage and zoo or just underage. The main push is for child predators and LE considers zoo people to be in the same bag.
Not that it's correct or there's any proven basis for it, but it does go hand in hand with LE people thinking.
 
ILoveZooGirlsXXX said:
I would caution one other thing, if it is a law enforcement operation, they will attempt to get you to go to underage and zoo or just underage. The main push is for child predators and LE considers zoo people to be in the same bag.
Not that it's correct or there's any proven basis for it, but it does go hand in hand with LE people thinking.
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If you haven't encriminated yourself and they get you to meet they may also try to get you there too by getting you to meet for an illegal activity or try to get you to meet with an "underaged" person or try to catch you with any other illicit activity. Essentially they need you to encriminate yourself so that they can then follow up with a more invasive investigation including searching your person and property for further evidence of your criminal activities.
 
ILoveZooGirlsXXX said:
I would caution one other thing, if it is a law enforcement operation, they will attempt to get you to go to underage and zoo or just underage. The main push is for child predators and LE considers zoo people to be in the same bag.
Not that it's correct or there's any proven basis for it, but it does go hand in hand with LE people thinking.
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Yes I think law enforcement, mainly because of the psychologist, want to throw zoos into the same group as pedas. I see often, whether true or not, that after the fact when computers are searched, underage porn and zoo show up together quite often. But correlation is not causation.

Yes one does not have to be caught in the act of abuse, just an intent to do it is justification enough to prosecute. I never liked that law for anything. Always seems like entrapment. That program "Crime Watch Daily" I think use to stage hidden video underage dating entrapments and arrest people. I felt sorry for the people.

I think a threat to getting caught on the internet may be more from a private individual or small private organized group then from law enforcement. The private individual or small group, that has such an intense hate for zoo, would spend the time needed to gain ones trust and groom one for entrapment. After all, we talk of trust and it takes a lot of time to build trust, time law enforcement just does not have nor can afford. But a private citizen could. I just wonder if I called to police and said, I have a person coming to my farm to have sex with my mare, can you arrest them? I wonder what they would do or say. Maybe can I have seconds LOL.

When I see ads for those looking for an animal, its usually from people with a very short history, and when I see someone willing to pay, God.
 
Jewelry Fish said:
Well really, everyone’s a red flag. You could be one of the most trusted members one moment, and manage to doxx half the site the next. There’s more obvious flags such as unfamiliar people attempting to lure you in with promises of sex, and then there’s the more hidden ones: people you may consider friends, maybe people you’ve met before. If I were trying to lure people into a trap, I would personally take the more secretive route. It’s more effective, wouldn’t you say? Slowly poisoning things from the inside out without anyone knowing they’re dying. The “frogs in a frying pan” method. And that could be anyone who employs this tactic. It doesn’t take a charming psychopath to play with the minds of others. As long as you know the tricks, anyone can do it. If you play it right and have enough charisma, you could ruin as many lives as you please. Nobody would ever know until it was too late.

There’s no one or direct way to gain one’s trust for ulterior motives. At the end of the day, just be careful how much of yourself you put on the internet. Anyone and everyone could be a danger to your life. Trust is something you have to fight to earn here. You can never truly know if someone has ulterior motives or not, so it’s best to always excercise caution. You don’t have to be majorly paranoid, but you shouldn’t be too lax either.
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Has a trusted member doxxed the website like that? :eek:
 
When you come across the surveys on here, it is best not to participate or just lie on the result. Some of the questions on here seem like an LEO checklist. 1. What is your race? 2. What is your age? 3. What is your annual income? 4. Are you having sex with a dog right now? 5. What state are you from?
 
Surveys = data mining. What can be extrapolated is terrifying.
There is a furry site I belonged to and a mate took every meme and survey she could. In three months from the info she shared, I PM'd her pretty much everything but her social security number (I even had a Google Earth image of her house from the info she gave) and suggested if I could do it, anybody could. Luckily, she got the hint and stopped participating in those things.
All I've had is a few courses in Marketing/Data Extrapolation. Imagine what the pro's at Google/M$/ AdClick/three-letter-agencies can do?
 
I have never heard of LE infiltrating a zoo site unless minors are involved. Paedophilia poses a severe, ongoing risk & will always be the focus of LE. The threat to this site & it's members is from animal right groups looking to name & shame. The guide to spotting those tends to be that they will ask lots of questions & answer few. Obviously they will look for incriminating material like photos, videos etc. These are useless without clear ID so be very wary of anyone who wants photos etc including your face.
 
I doubt that LEO's or any police department is actively looking for zoo's. If you get caught it is likely because you, or someone you know, got busted for something else and electronic evidence or foot print lead the investigation to your door.

I suggest you never use "google" or any google ap or affiliated ap as they work closely with law enforcement and supply them with internet searches, emails, etc. Windows 10 is also problematic as it spies on everything you do. Using a cell phone, Ipad, etc for zoo, taboo, or in country illegal content is just plain stupid.
 
Quiet1 said:
I doubt that LEO's or any police department is actively looking for zoo's. If you get caught it is likely because you, or someone you know, got busted for something else and electronic evidence or foot print lead the investigation to your door.

I suggest you never use "google" or any google ap or affiliated ap as they work closely with law enforcement and supply them with internet searches, emails, etc. Windows 10 is also problematic as it spies on everything you do. Using a cell phone, Ipad, etc for zoo, taboo, or in country illegal content is just plain stupid.
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So what do you suggest Sherlock?
 
Let me tell you how it happens. This is a real, true incident that I was directly involved in (I owned/admined the site).

A fairly well known long time member decided to meet up with a somewhat new member that he had been talking with for a few months via both the forum and PM. The newer member was having a hard time and had become homeless recently so the older member agreed to let him stay at his house temporarily. The guy that showed up to his house turned out to be a 15 year old runaway.

His parents got a friend to help and went through the family computer looking for a clue to where he might have gone. Of course they found the forum and his conversations with the older member and went straight to the cops. I received a threatening e-mail from the cops demanding all info on the older member. I replied that they would have to verify their need and the identity of any user they wanted info on. I also mentioned being several states outside of their direct jurisdiction.

The next e-mail was from the FBI and I was ready for them. I knew the older member well enough to be certain he was Exclusive and not pedo. He explained that the kid had showed up looking like he had been in a fight and apologizing for lying about his age. The kid told a sad tale of abuse and desperation so I had him write a letter about it. I made copies of his profile and several conversations where he claimed to be 20 years old and the older member gave his phone number for the cops to contact.

An FBI agent and local cop picked the kid up and took an abuse report before they left the house. The FBI agent e-mailed thanking me and the older member for taking care of the kid and told me that everyone was in the clear and the kid's dad was being watched by CPS. All's well that ends well but think of how easily that could have gone wrong.
 
caikgoch said:
Let me tell you how it happens. This is a real, true incident that I was directly involved in (I owned/admined the site).

........ wrong.
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Interesting story. Glad for the good ending. But like the old rules use to say. Always have first meeting in public, no animals, no pictures, never give out personal information like addresses, and I would add another, give me a BJ before you see any critters.

I knew of two people that got arrested for animal sex abuse. One for trespassing the other was entrapment by the police from a CL ad.
 
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Pillar said:
So what do you suggest Sherlock?
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If you are using windows 10 I suggest you look up "destroy windows 10 spying." It changes windows spy telemetry IP's to 0.0.0.0. effectively blocking the information. For search use duckduckgo. Use Protonmail for email. Proton email is encrypted between two proton accounts but isn't if you are emailing a non proton account...i.e. gmail, yahoomail, etc..

I see people on this forum engaged in a lot of practices (i.e. telegram, discord, etc) that are not really secure. Because of the different states / countries people are in, they will likely be ok unless a federal government (country) decides to crack down. Not trying to get people paranoid as I don't really think zoo's are targets at the moment...but as anything in life, that can change so you should be leaving as little tracks as you can. Simply put, minimize your electronic foot prints.


If you use the Kali distribution, then you can use proxy chain server to hide your foot print. Watch the video below

 
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420Fatty said:
Or, or, or, Hear me out, Crazy thought, Learn to shut the fuck up and not look for easy hook ups.
Can't walk into a trap if you're not looking for a situation that could be one.
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Gotta live life, amirite? ?
 
PonyLove said:
Now on the internet, seems maybe some grooming would need to be involved, but I can't really recall reading too many cases other then the ones in AZ, where the internet was involved in catching someone.
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I've seen at least one caught because of videos she and her husband posted online. She didn't hide her face at all, and some stuff visible in their bedroom (a college football logo) made it likely that they were in or around Florida. I guess someone recognized her and turned her in. I recognized her from her photo in the news article about her sentencing.
 
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