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Suggestion: dildogging should not be allowed here

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CanisLupus

Citizen of Zooville
Inspired by another thread, I have decided to also create this one. Dildogging is not pleasant to most dogs and can even be painful since their penis skin is too sensitive (especially if it is not moist enough). It (in majority of porn) basically is just using a dog's penis as a live dildo without caring about him and his feelings at all. In many cases, it even causes the penis skin and superficial capillaries to damage resulting in blood stains. I know that this was already discussed multiple times before, but let's please discuss its ban one more time. Thanks!
 
It's not explicitly banned, but 95% of the time it's removed because it's just one of a dozen other abuses in the same video.
 
CanisLupus said:
Inspired by another thread, I have decided to also create this one. Dildogging is not pleasant to most dogs and can even be painful since their penis skin is too sensitive (especially if it is not moist enough). It (in majority of porn) basically is just using a dog's penis as a live dildo without caring about him and his feelings at all. In many cases, it even causes the penis skin and superficial capillaries to damage resulting in blood stains. I know that this was already discussed multiple times before, but let's please discuss its ban one more time. Thanks!
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Dildogging is the same as a blowjob, just with a different body part.

The same risks, the same effects, and you could even interchange the two in your post. To be consistent, if you ban dildogging, you must also ban blowjobs.

If done with care and not abusive (which is banned anyway), they are both good in my book.
 
I've often wondered if it wasn't abusive. The dog seems to be indifferent at best. Seems like one of those things done for the camera.
 
JT Bullitt said:
Dildogging is the same as a blowjob, just with a different body part.

The same risks, the same effects, and you could even interchange the two in your post. To be consistent, if you ban dildogging, you must also ban blowjobs.

If done with care and not abusive (which is banned anyway), they are both good in my book.
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How do you define a blowjob? Oral sex with a canine penis if done properly is very pleasant for the dog. Dildogging is the exact opposite. Canine penis skin is very sensitive and there is a very little chance that such thing could be pleasant and/or sexually stimulating for the dog. It seems to me that you are trying to defend a practice that is in 99% cases (or at least 99% of online porn) unpleasant to the dog and/or even abusive by trying to compare it to "oral sex done incorrectly" and using a logical fallacy to falsely point out that oral sex with dogs should be banned for the same reason as dildogging if dildogging gets banned...
 
CanisLupus said:
How do you define a blowjob? Oral sex with a canine penis if done properly is very pleasant for the dog. Dildogging is the exact opposite. Canine penis skin is very sensitive and there is a very little chance that such thing could be pleasant and/or sexually stimulating for the dog. It seems to me that you are trying to defend a practice that is in 99% cases (or at least 99% of online porn) unpleasant to the dog and/or even abusive by trying to compare it to "oral sex done incorrectly" and using a logical fallacy to falsely point out that oral sex with dogs should be banned for the same reason as dildogging if dildogging gets banned...
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You say I use a logical fallacy by saying 99% of dildogging is unpleasant without proof.

That would be a hasty generalization fallacy.

You also admit that "if done properly", oral sex can be pleasurable.

I said exactly the same thing.

Your argument is not based on logic, but emotion, and therefore is invalid.
 
I agree it should be banned. If a dog wants to have sex he will mount you. Forcing his penis into you is abuse.
 
JT Bullitt said:
You say I use a logical fallacy by saying 99% of dildogging is unpleasant without proof.

That would be a hasty generalization fallacy.

You also admit that "if done properly", oral sex can be pleasurable.

I said exactly the same thing.

Your argument is not based on logic, but emotion, and therefore is invalid.
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My argument is based on my presence in online zoo communities for last 20 years and also on my personal experience with dogs. Over my 20 years online presence, I have seen exactly zero proof showing that dildogging can actually be done in a pleasant way. On the other hand, I have seen plenty of crappy porn (before I turned it off in disgust every time) with dildogging that was clearly unpleasant for the dog (but he was forced to endure it). And because of my experience, I know how sensitive a dog penis is and how to properly stimulate dogs and more importantly what exactly is unpleasant for them.
 
CanisLupus said:
My argument is based on my presence in online zoo communities for last 20 years and also on my personal experience with dogs. Over my 20 years online presence, I have seen exactly zero proof showing that dildogging can actually be done in a pleasant way. On the other hand, I have seen plenty of crappy porn (before I turned it off in disgust every time) with dildogging that was clearly unpleasant for the dog (but he was forced to endure it). And because of my experience, I know how sensitive a dog penis is and how to properly stimulate dogs and more importantly what exactly is unpleasant for them.
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Completely subjective and anecdotal. You said 99% is abusive. Prove it objectively.

If you're going to invoke logic, you must apply it to your own argument. Not doing so renders it invalid.
 
I have a better idea. You pointed out that "dildogging can be done properly" and therefore can be pleasant for the dog. Prove it. Show me just one example of dildogging where the dog is clearly enjoying it. ;) If you can do it, I will accept your claim about "dildogging being pleasant for the dog if done right" (but I still won't accept your claim about "dildogging being the same as oral sex").
 
Sure, I'll entertain your feeble attempt at deflection, coupled with a tu quoque fallacy. I can't post it here due to forum rules. But I'm sure you have seen "Stronger" by Sabine at AoZ, and "Pleasure Flower" by Lise when she was with AoZ.

If you're going to argue based on emotion and anecdotal "evidence", just do that. It's okay. Just don't cite logic.
 
CanisLupus said:
I have a better idea. You pointed out that "dildogging can be done properly" and therefore can be pleasant for the dog. Prove it. Show me just one example of dildogging where the dog is clearly enjoying it. ;) If you can do it, I will accept your claim about "dildogging being pleasant for the dog if done right" (but I still won't accept your claim about "dildogging being the same as oral sex").
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Never once seen a dog enjoying dildogging either.
Have see dogs enjoying oral sex.
 
When it comes to dildogging like 84% of the time it violates this rule here:
dogluver101 said:
No forcing an animal to stay if they're refusing to be in a position. Suppose they're attempting to leave; forcing them to remain in place is in violation of this rule.
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Therefore it is removed, and depending on severity, the user that posted it is either given a verbal warning as to why it was removed, given a warning, or in some cases even banned.

The other 16% of videos generally happens to fall under the "gray matter" policy. I can probably count the number of times I've actually seen a male dog seemingly enjoying being dildogged on one hand, a hand missing a couple of digits at that.
 
JT Bullitt said:
Dildogging is the same as a blowjob, just with a different body part.

The same risks, the same effects, and you could even interchange the two in your post. To be consistent, if you ban dildogging, you must also ban blowjobs.

If done with care and not abusive (which is banned anyway), they are both good in my book.
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This is just wrong on alot of levels.
Clearly you have no clue about dog anatomy and sexual behavior. A dog that is hard, and where the knot has formed, is not used to have friction on his dick. In this state, the dogs dick is very sensitive, and Usualy is stuck inside of a females dog vagina. When you dildo a dog, you pull on the knot, you Usualy have to hold him in place, and you aply alot of friction to him. That's not pleasant to a dog, it often is basicly abusive rape.


On a proper k9 blowjob (see guides avaliable on this site) you mimic the stimulation of a dogs vagina. A proper k9 blowjob differs alot from a human one. It has some risks for the dog, but if properly done, it's totaly fine.

The typical dog blowjob you see from actresses are not proper k9 blowjobs. It's just fetish phantasy bullshit, that's there to cater to the kinky guys who don't know better.
 
Schuppentier said:
This is just wrong on alot of levels.
Clearly you have no clue about dog anatomy and sexual behavior. A dog that is hard, and where the knot has formed, is not used to have friction on his dick. In this state, the dogs dick is very sensitive, and Usualy is stuck inside of a females dog vagina. When you dildo a dog, you pull on the knot, you Usualy have to hold him in place, and you aply alot of friction to him. That's not pleasant to a dog, it often is basicly abusive rape.


On a proper k9 blowjob (see guides avaliable on this site) you mimic the stimulation of a dogs vagina. A proper k9 blowjob differs alot from a human one. It has some risks for the dog, but if properly done, it's totaly fine.

The typical dog blowjob you see from actresses are not proper k9 blowjobs. It's just fetish phantasy bullshit, that's there to cater to the kinky guys who don't know better.
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You missed the part where I said if done with care.

Enjoy your pedantic militance. I'm sure you are a blast to be around in real life.
 
FloofyNewfie said:
When it comes to dildogging like 84% of the time it violates this rule here:

Therefore it is removed, and depending on severity, the user that posted it is either given a verbal warning as to why it was removed, given a warning, or in some cases even banned.

The other 16% of videos generally happens to fall under the "gray matter" policy. I can probably count the number of times I've actually seen a male dog seemingly enjoying being dildogged on one hand, a hand missing a couple of digits at that.
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Is that how you count to three? Tough on the digits, mate!
 
I agree with the idea of banning this type of content. I would say this applies to other species as well like where horses are being used in a similar way. Saying that such content isn't abusive may as well be equivalent to saying "Men can't be Raped" as it carries the same tired arguments against it and by all accounts is the same actions but without the ability for your victim to communicate verbally. If 95% is banned and 5-10% is a grey area just like anal with male animals? Probably better to just put a ban in place since there is no bots to auto-detect banned content here. The 5-10% can be relegated to groups with moderation (makes it easier to ban the rapists and rape enjoyers completely) or specifically moderator discretion before upload if not tossed outright.


JT Bullitt said:
Sure, I'll entertain your feeble attempt at deflection, coupled with a tu quoque fallacy. I can't post it here due to forum rules. But I'm sure you have seen "Stronger" by Sabine at AoZ, and "Pleasure Flower" by Lise when she was with AoZ.

If you're going to argue based on emotion and anecdotal "evidence", just do that. It's okay. Just don't cite logic.
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Also going to point out if your argument against outright banning content on the basis of it being abusive is "But this/that already banned content" then your evidence for the jury here is extremely weak at best. While I do encourage someone to prove me wrong here, Rape is Rape no matter which side of the coin is doing it and should be banned. Easiest way to point to what it is would be questioning the old role reversal - "so if a woman twice your weight pinned you to the ground randomly, muffled you somehow so you can't do more then whine and used you that way while you couldn't fight back would it not be?" Which falls back on the tired arguments part. As a legal study I won't approve such a premise as from experience i can confirm it would be Rape in almost all cases outside agreement between both parties which is more then "because of the roles" or the vague hearsay 'but, maybe?' argumentation at play. personally? I think a lot of people who are going to fight that it is Rape are just mad about losing fap material more then you are about whether or not it is.
 
CanisLupus said:
Inspired by another thread, I have decided to also create this one. Dildogging is not pleasant to most dogs and can even be painful since their penis skin is too sensitive (especially if it is not moist enough). It (in majority of porn) basically is just using a dog's penis as a live dildo without caring about him and his feelings at all. In many cases, it even causes the penis skin and superficial capillaries to damage resulting in blood stains. I know that this was already discussed multiple times before, but let's please discuss its ban one more time. Thanks!
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So glad this has been said- I hate seeing this kinda stuff ? forcing a dog to stay in place just for your pleasure is abusive. Always consider your partner!
 
omniscientfluffer said:
FloofyNewfie is the site admin, and above he said it's allowed to post dildogging that isn't abusive. Can you post your examples?
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I cited examples, but out of respect for the rules regarding copyrighted content, I'll not post them.

My entire argument has been, is, and always will be that IF DONE WITH CARE and consideration for the animal, what some would consider dildogging feels the same as a blowjob to the dog, just with a different body part.

Am I saying that all dildogging is good? No.

Am I saying that all blowjobs are good? No.

Am I saying that dildogging and blowjobs are always the same? Again, no.

There are non-abusive examples of both, which I give the ultimate respect to the admins in their ability to discern.
 
Be careful of what you state here. Some consider it flaming or at least consider things controversial. For most part this is an open forum for all. If you have objections it is probably kept to your self’s. There is a lot of diverse likes here and as hard as it maybe from your personal opinion or belief this isn’t the place to vent.
 
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