Psychological Drive toward Zoophilia: what goes on inside different people's heads?

[Godagesil]

I guess this thread is to ask what the various attractions of zoophilia.

By that I mean, what motivates you toward the subject. I guess one has to be honest in one's appraisal as to the reasons.


I for one, don't have any desire to engage in sex with an animal. But having said that, I had a bipolar wife who had fantasies about it, and as her facilitator I made it happen for her. Watching her engage with a Labrador was very erotic for me. For us and the wife it played into the BDSM aspects of our relationship.


She wanted to be degraded and humiliated and I think this stemmed from some deep seated feelings of self loathing that only came out in the bedroom. She felt safe with me and as the Dom, I'd do the things she wanted me to do in order for her to serve penance for whatever "sins" had made her dislike herself so much.

Having sex with a dog was a way of degrading herself. I found that watching the domination and degradation of the female was the biggest thing I got out of it.


The more attractive the female, the more innocent she looked and the smaller she was relative to the animal, the more intense was the pleasure I derived from watching. To illustrate what I mean, the Mistress Beast video of her being mounted by her horse, isn't that arousing it is interesting but hell, she's got an ass on her as big as a mare. BUT if that was a size 1 or 2 young lady then you'd have something I'd find arousing. The same goes for the canine stuff. The old Hector/Superdog Great Dane videos with the little gypsy gal with the shoulder tattoo...now that's arousing. The juxtaposition of the big dog and her little diminutive frame taking all the dog but the knot is arousing.


I don't find the videos of the gal using the dog's cock like a dildo very interesting. But when the dog is in control and doing the humping, and dominating the female, that form me is worth watching.

In my wife's case she liked the dog in charge and came quicker and repeatedly like a string of firecrackers with the dog. And I have to admit I was a bit jealous. She never came as many times or as hard with me as she did with him. I guess for me that it proved that sex is 90% mental. She was off in some fantasy and the dog was simply a tool for her to live out that fantasy in real life. She never spoke of what went on in her head while the dog was on her. She didn't ask nor could she have stopped it. I had built a special "kneeler" mounting chair for her into which I strapped her to prevent her from "changing her mind."
Of course she had a safe word, which she never used.


She really got off on the experience and we revisited it before our relationship broke up. It had nothing to do with the dog, in fact she brought home other peoples dogs to fuck she liked it so much. That got a bit dicey because you never knew how amenable the canine was to engaging.


So in my case the attraction isn't the physical interaction with the animal, but simply the animal as a tool for degrading and dominating the human female. I guess for me, it was along the lines of reading a bestiality porn book but getting to see it first hand and orchestrate it.


I kept expecting Jager, my Lab to bring it up in the goose blind each winter afterwards, but he never said anything. He just gave me the look only two males can share when they've shared the same piece of poon.


For the women I'd think it was more physical, or a little of both, mental and physical. For the men it might be physical for some, and for others like myself, the facilitators for females, its more a mental exercise in voyeurism.


So the question is what do you get out of zoo? Is it more mental or is it really physical. I'll probably use the info to help flesh out the mentality of some of the characters in my next novel.

 

[FloofyNewfie]

Having sex with a dog was a way of degrading herself.

Definitely not for me. I have sex with my dog because she absolutely gets off on it as much as I do. Mutual pleasure and all that. As for why, see previous 2 sentences, but also because I find female dogs very sexually attractive.

Sex is definitely not the main focus of our relationship. The companionship and relationship is the main factor.

 

[Ted Danson Machine]

I guess this thread is to ask what the various attractions of zoophilia.

By that I mean, what motivates you toward the subject. I guess one has to be honest in one's appraisal as to the reasons.


I for one, don't have any desire to engage in sex with an animal. But having said that, I had a bipolar wife who had fantasies about it, and as her facilitator I made it happen for her. Watching her engage with a Labrador was very erotic for me. For us and the wife it played into the BDSM aspects of our relationship.


She wanted to be degraded and humiliated and I think this stemmed from some deep seated feelings of self loathing that only came out in the bedroom. She felt safe with me and as the Dom, I'd do the things she wanted me to do in order for her to serve penance for whatever "sins" had made her dislike herself so much.

Having sex with a dog was a way of degrading herself. I found that watching the domination and degradation of the female was the biggest thing I got out of it.


The more attractive the female, the more innocent she looked and the smaller she was relative to the animal, the more intense was the pleasure I derived from watching. To illustrate what I mean, the Mistress Beast video of her being mounted by her horse, isn't that arousing it is interesting but hell, she's got an ass on her as big as a mare. BUT if that was a size 1 or 2 young lady then you'd have something I'd find arousing. The same goes for the canine stuff. The old Hector/Superdog Great Dane videos with the little gypsy gal with the shoulder tattoo...now that's arousing. The juxtaposition of the big dog and her little diminutive frame taking all the dog but the knot is arousing.


I don't find the videos of the gal using the dog's cock like a dildo very interesting. But when the dog is in control and doing the humping, and dominating the female, that form me is worth watching.

In my wife's case she liked the dog in charge and came quicker and repeatedly like a string of firecrackers with the dog. And I have to admit I was a bit jealous. She never came as many times or as hard with me as she did with him. I guess for me that it proved that sex is 90% mental. She was off in some fantasy and the dog was simply a tool for her to live out that fantasy in real life. She never spoke of what went on in her head while the dog was on her. She didn't ask nor could she have stopped it. I had built a special "kneeler" mounting chair for her into which I strapped her to prevent her from "changing her mind."
Of course she had a safe word, which she never used.


She really got off on the experience and we revisited it before our relationship broke up. It had nothing to do with the dog, in fact she brought home other peoples dogs to fuck she liked it so much. That got a bit dicey because you never knew how amenable the canine was to engaging.


So in my case the attraction isn't the physical interaction with the animal, but simply the animal as a tool for degrading and dominating the human female. I guess for me, it was along the lines of reading a bestiality porn book but getting to see it first hand and orchestrate it.


I kept expecting Jager, my Lab to bring it up in the goose blind each winter afterwards, but he never said anything. He just gave me the look only two males can share when they've shared the same piece of poon.


For the women I'd think it was more physical, or a little of both, mental and physical. For the men it might be physical for some, and for others like myself, the facilitators for females, its more a mental exercise in voyeurism.


So the question is what do you get out of zoo? Is it more mental or is it really physical. I'll probably use the info to help flesh out the mentality of some of the characters in my next novel.

First and foremost, I am a psychologist, so I have a very good understanding of mental disorders such as bipolar, major depressive disorder, deep routed trauma and triggers, etc. But I also (professionally and ethically) could not spew out a diagnosis or tell you anything that would generalize to the majority of the zoo population.
Everyone has different emotions and everyone has different thought/behavioral patterns. I can tell you that your ex-wife self medicating by degrading herself because she felt she deserved it was HIGHLY toxic, and no one should do that, ever.
Basically from what you just wrote, you are a fetishist. You see this lifestyle choice as a kink purely. But you will find here that many people replace boyfriend/girlfriend/husband/wife etc with their animal partners. And there is not a thing wrong with it besides the stigma engrained in our society. As long as they are not harming themselves, their animal partners or anyone else, there is no reason it should be seen as such a taboo. If you would like to one day (privately) talk more in depth about any of the psychology of this, feel free to message me.

 

[gsdmixg]

I agree with what FloofyNewfie said about mutual pleasure. I'm actually more attracted physically to females, but part of why I find myself equally attracted to males and females is that males tend to display their pleasure much more prominently, which I find very important.

As for cause, for zoophiles as opposed to fetishists there is no catalyst that causes this type of attraction to develop/emerge. The moment I started to develop sexual thoughts they were predominantly about animals, and it never dissipated even when I tried. It wasn't brought about by some sort of childhood trauma or comorbid disorder. It's just how my brain is wired.

 

[Splashgirlx]

I've had a lot of sex as self punishment even though it's pleasure. I don't even pretend to understand it.

 

[Ted Danson Machine]

I've had a lot of sex as self punishment even though it's pleasure. I don't even pretend to understand it.

It is a very complex thing to grasp and can differ drastically from person to person. The toxic part I was referring to is that you are self-medicating by self-harming. It is along the same lines as someone who is a cutter. It's dangerous and even though it can lead to feelings of pleasure or momentary happiness even, you're playing with fire. Just take care of yourself

 

[Ted Danson Machine]

As for cause, for zoophiles as opposed to fetishists there is no catalyst that causes this type of attraction to develop/emerge. The moment I started to develop sexual thoughts they were predominantly about animals, and it never dissipated even when I tried. It wasn't brought about by some sort of childhood trauma or comorbid disorder. It's just how my brain is wired.

Very well said and I agree 100 percent.

 

[egoldstein]

@FloofyNewfie covered the gist, it's what I find beautiful and exciting. I tried with humans and my experiences weren't as fulfilling with humans as they were with non-humans. I like taking care of them, I like playing and exploring the world with them, I like just about everything about them.

No significant childhood trauma, no anger toward men, women, or any groups of people, just the way I've been for as long as I can remember.
My partners and I enjoy one another's company, sometimes intimately and nobodys harmed; think that's all that really matters.

 

[Splashgirlx]

It is a very complex thing to grasp and can differ drastically from person to person. The toxic part I was referring to is that you are self-medicating by self-harming. It is along the same lines as someone who is a cutter. It's dangerous and even though it can lead to feelings of pleasure or momentary happiness even, you're playing with fire. Just take care of yourself

Yes that's exactly it!

 

[Ted Danson Machine]

Yes that's exactly it!

I'll send your bill in the mail

lol

 

[Splashgirlx]

Childhood trauma is probably something that a lot of us are dealing with.

 

[Ted Danson Machine]

Childhood trauma is probably something that a lot of us are dealing with.

Eh, you'd be surprised how one's personality and living situation can change drastically how they perceive and react to traumatic events. For example, I've talked with two people with pretty similar upbringings and similar traumatic events around the same age (more than one close family member passing either at the same time or very close to each other). Person A was depressed and had abandonment issues, could barely keep a job because they were always scared something terrible would happen. Person B, they basically became the glue that held their family together, worked multiple jobs to ensure everyone was provided for as best they could, and ended up very successful. The only major difference (besides their sex, but that's a whole other tricky territory) was that one of them grew up in a very small town while the other was in densely populated city. Make of that what you will, I believe that the one who grew up in the city had more resources and opportunities to find work, get help if they needed it, etc. while the other had to stay in a small town where everyone knew each other, but small town gossip is constant, and they would be reminded of their family members' passing almost daily, giving them no time to let the wound heal.
But yes, most people have some form of trauma, and what may seem miniscule to me could be a punch in the gut to you, depending on situational variables.
Ok, brain is slowing down so I will stop nerding out lol

 

[Godagesil]

First and foremost, I am a psychologist, so I have a very good understanding of mental disorders such as bipolar, major depressive disorder, deep routed trauma and triggers, etc. But I also (professionally and ethically) could not spew out a diagnosis or tell you anything that would generalize to the majority of the zoo population.
Everyone has different emotions and everyone has different thought/behavioral patterns. I can tell you that your ex-wife self medicating by degrading herself because she felt she deserved it was HIGHLY toxic, and no one should do that, ever.
Basically from what you just wrote, you are a fetishist. You see this lifestyle choice as a kink purely. But you will find here that many people replace boyfriend/girlfriend/husband/wife etc with their animal partners. And there is not a thing wrong with it besides the stigma engrained in our society. As long as they are not harming themselves, their animal partners or anyone else, there is no reason it should be seen as such a taboo. If you would like to one day (privately) talk more in depth about any of the psychology of this, feel free to message me.

Well, my ex had a lot going on. She had been molested by her dad at an early age, went to a school in Majorca and in her pre teen and early teens was trading sex for alcohol with US Naval personnel when they made port of call there. She was bipolar and had a touch of borderline personality disorder. She engaged in a lot of dangerous behavior before she met me, like putting herself in situations where she was raped at knife point. She's in a better place now, I think, but we've moved on from one another twenty years now.
Yes, I would say it was more a fetish for me, and I don't engage in it anymore, although it does hold sexual attraction for me. My current wife dabbled in it once too, but our current pet is too small to do much in the way of satisfying her if she was still disposed to it.

 

[Ted Danson Machine]

you may want to edit all the underage stuff about her out of that. They are VERY strict with that kind of talk. Better be safe than sorry

 

[widget46]

i dont believe much of what psychiatry says about peoples psychological drive to be sexually attracted to animals.
what i see is that modern psychiatry is too busy looking for any excuse attempting to say a person was driven to the sexual attraction by something other than the animals suitability and potential for the animals qualities to be attractive. that is too easy to say because everybody has problems. maybe some peoples problems did it, that doesnt speak for everybody.

i have some form of ptsd and like most people had bad interactions with people in my past. rather than this causing my attraction to animals its actually reinforcing it because well i was attracted to animals previously but now i cant trust people as much or view them in a better light as i used to especially because they are messed up and feel like they have to make up excuses to persecute me and everything. so it seems like people are out there causing problems or looking for it and using the result of their behaviors to say what caused my attractions. the answer is easier than that but some people are addicted to the investigative challenge.

i can see that many people are attracted to animals just because those people hate other people. i dont agree that is a real attraction to animals though. "property fiends" and people who use animals as trophies are attracted to trophies not animals. the reason they have animals is because they want to compete with other "trophy hunters" or look like winners opposed to people with real attractions who struggle to be with animals. means people who claim to like animals might really seem to like animals, but really they dont. they like the feeling of property and privelege better.

but sexual attractions and related interactions with animals dont have to be a disorder or the result of one, no matter how much people say it is strictly they are full of shit. using some peoples problems to prove that other peoples sexuality is caused by a problem is really lazy stupid science.

what drives me the animals drive me because of certain qualities they have like nothing else does. theres no correlations or crazy stories that makes me attracted to them. the truth can be very boring. animals are hot. people could have been hot too but now theyre sorta not.

 

[Ted Danson Machine]

what i see is that modern psychiatry is too busy looking for any excuse attempting to say a person was driven to the sexual attraction by something other than the animals suitability and potential for the animals qualities to be attractive. that is too easy to say because everybody has problems. maybe some peoples problems did it, that doesnt speak for everybody.

and where exactly do you see this? Can you cite any sources?
Also, psychiatry and psychology are not the same thing and the two are not interchangeable like you are trying to insinuate.

sexual attractions and related interactions with animals dont have to be a disorder or the result of one, no matter how much people say it is strictly they are full of shit. using some peoples problems to prove that other peoples sexuality is caused by a problem is really lazy stupid science.

again, I am not sure where you are drawing these conclusions about the science of the mind and human behavior, because I've read A LOT of research articles in grad school and never saw anything that is along the lines you're drawing.

what drives me the animals drive me because of certain qualities they have like nothing else does. theres no correlations or crazy stories that makes me attracted to them. the truth is very boring.

And this is what I pretty much said in my comment. It has nothing to do with trauma or a mental impairment. It is just attraction, a base feeling that we have had since cavemen days.

So in the end, we agree, but you are shit talking psychology a bit much lol. Research is not done willy nilly. It's actually a very detailed and long process, especially if you are wanting to get your research published and advance to further studies in your field.
Just letting you know psychology is not the bad guy.

 

[widget46]

and where exactly do you see this? Can you cite any sources?
Also, psychiatry and psychology are not the same thing and the two are not interchangeable like you are trying to insinuate.

again, I am not sure where you are drawing these conclusions about the science of the mind and human behavior, because I've read A LOT of research articles in grad school and never saw anything that is along the lines you're drawing.

And this is what I pretty much said in my comment. It has nothing to do with trauma or a mental impairment. It is just attraction, a base feeling that we have had since cavemen days.

So in the end, we agree, but you are shit talking psychology a bit much lol. Research is not done willy nilly. It's actually a very detailed and long process, especially if you are wanting to get your research published and advance to further studies in your field.
Just letting you know psychology is not the bad guy.

psychiatry has to do with psychology.
i dont have to cite any sources for my works because they are original observations and criticisms, not plagiarism. im sorry to have offended your faith in priveleged research. maybe someday more people will make the effort besides the reading.

 

[SultryHellhound]

I must have an unevolved ape brain because my thought process is literally "Me like dog. Me love dog."

 

[Ted Danson Machine]

psychiatry has to do with psychology.
i dont have to cite any sources for my works because they are original observations and criticisms, not plagiarism. im sorry to have offended your faith in priveleged research. maybe someday more people will make the effort besides the reading.

Riiiight. Well good luck to you and your, original observations?

 

[widget46]

Riiiight. Well good luck to you and your, original observations?

of course. it is certainly terrifying to people when somebody knows things they havent been taught or read. like when you walk in the dark you dont know whats out there or where that noise came from they dont know what the noise is because it didnt come from anywhere.

some people believe they can see in the dark and are priveleged for what they know about psychology or sex with animals for instance because it was taught to them, and it is horrifying when they find out that other people know things when their school never taught it. its assumed that we were blind or not priveleged to know anything. somebody might want to know where all this came from and they assume it may have come from the things they know about rather than things they do not. probably not a big deal but the fact they cant see makes a walk through the park a horror ride and the things they expect to see dont make any easier to know better.

people dont agree that a drive to zoosexuality came from nowhere because according to what they read its impossible and they should be terrified to know their reading was wrong and their privelege doesnt really exist.
thank you

 

[EVR]

For me Zoo is a 'kink' of mine in a way. I just like the idea of it, but I don't need it. I obviously don't want to actually get involved with any animal, but watching people who do through porn is nice. I can't really explain for others though.

 

[Twelvepaws]

I think zoophilia, like many other things, is shaped by several factors. At least in my case.
This requires a tendency, a different wiring in the brain. However, this requires childhood, teenage and adult experience, life events, upbringing, and the environment too. And I don't mean traumatic things here, neutral or positive things also shape it in the same way. Of course, it also shape a traumatic way. All of these together ultimately decide who will be a zoophile and who will be in which part.

I was not traumatized as a child. As a child, I was alone a lot because my parents worked a lot, and I don't have a brother. I was with grandparents a lot, who are not as close to the child as the parents, so there was always a distance from people. This is probably one of the reasons why today I am an introvert and zoo exclusive (of course, I have friends that I meet, but I rarely need that). And I work very well alone, I'm good at inventing myself and solving problems easily on my own. When I was alone, I was always surrounded by the family dogs, they were my friends. Although I also met my school friends and liked to play with them, dogs were stronger friends, I felt closer to them.
Later, when I became sexually interested, I watched with great curiosity how the parents' dogs mated and examined and I groped them several times while knotting. After that, I always examined their genitals. After that, it was slowly formed that dogs can be not only friends, but also sexual partners and lovers. And this was to such an extent during childhood development that it made sexual attraction to people completely zero. And to this is added the tendency to zoophilia.
Later, when I was already a teenager, I saw how much of a problem, difficulty and limitation it was to live with people, start a family, raise children, I definitely did not want this. I don't want children, that's independent of everything, if I had a girlfriend now, I wouldn't want children either. I don't know the reason for this. I didn't want to follow the idiotic simply social life, which consists of looking for a partner, having sex, having children, working, retiring and dying. It's a fucking disappointing lifestyle. Of course I could have been gay, there are no children there and the relationship can work more relaxed than between a man and a woman and it is not a simply social relationship either. That would have been an option, but I didn't want human contact and men repel me just as much as women.
These made me even stronger and more positive that the exclusive zoo life I chose is perfect for me.

I have a tendency towards zoophilia, the wiring in the brain is different. It's clear. Just because someone spends a lot of time around dogs doesn't mean they want to have sex with them, the tendency is definitely necessary. This is my base. Dogs have beautiful bodies, fur, legs, nose, eyes, faces and ears. Every little detail of them is beautiful and wonderful and very attractive. This is Paradise. And the attraction is very strong and I like to have sex with my dogs and I consider it important, the physical and mental relationship is equally important and complements each other.
If that was all, then I would be like three quarters of this forum, I would fuck people and animals. But I'm not like that. Exclusivity and only dogs (and not horses, sheep, etc.) were probably shaped by the fact that I was alone with them a lot and they developed into companions in me. The male-female question was probably determined by the fact that since I see them so much as companions, congeners, deep down I am also canine, so their natural reproduction has developed in me, which can only be female. The other reason is rivalry, the male dogs are rivals for my pack. I have been with male dogs on a few occasions, on the one hand to examine their functioning, because this way I better understood what females are prepared for. On the other hand, trying to see if I'm really straight (?) and yeah, I didn't like it with the male dog. Although, I didn't think it was disgusting too. But it's not attractive me. Neutral. This is much more of a rivalry than two male dogs humping each other. I don't consider myself bisexual because I'm not attracted to them and I don't want to have a male dog or have sex with them.
I'm not even willing to try sex with humans and other animals, because I'm not interested, they don't attract me and I find them disgusting. Not neutral, only disgusting.

I approach this in the way that it is not important what caused what I have become, the point is that I have accepted it and am happy and my lifestyle is what I love. The other thing I'm happy about is that it happened at the very beginning of my sexual development and I didn't force myself into a life I didn't like, from which I would have run away afterwards.

 

[Pillar]

I think zoophilia, like many other things, is shaped by several factors. At least in my case.
This requires a tendency, a different wiring in the brain. However, this requires childhood, teenage and adult experience, life events, upbringing, and the environment too. And I don't mean traumatic things here, neutral or positive things also shape it in the same way. Of course, it also shape a traumatic way. All of these together ultimately decide who will be a zoophile and who will be in which part.

I was not traumatized as a child. As a child, I was alone a lot because my parents worked a lot, and I don't have a brother. I was with grandparents a lot, who are not as close to the child as the parents, so there was always a distance from people. This is probably one of the reasons why today I am an introvert and zoo exclusive (of course, I have friends that I meet, but I rarely need that). And I work very well alone, I'm good at inventing myself and solving problems easily on my own. When I was alone, I was always surrounded by the family dogs, they were my friends. Although I also met my school friends and liked to play with them, dogs were stronger friends, I felt closer to them.
Later, when I became sexually interested, I watched with great curiosity how the parents' dogs mated and examined and I groped them several times while knotting. After that, I always examined their genitals. After that, it was slowly formed that dogs can be not only friends, but also sexual partners and lovers. And this was to such an extent during childhood development that it made sexual attraction to people completely zero. And to this is added the tendency to zoophilia.
Later, when I was already a teenager, I saw how much of a problem, difficulty and limitation it was to live with people, start a family, raise children, I definitely did not want this. I don't want children, that's independent of everything, if I had a girlfriend now, I wouldn't want children either. I don't know the reason for this. I didn't want to follow the idiotic simply social life, which consists of looking for a partner, having sex, having children, working, retiring and dying. It's a fucking disappointing lifestyle. Of course I could have been gay, there are no children there and the relationship can work more relaxed than between a man and a woman and it is not a simply social relationship either. That would have been an option, but I didn't want human contact and men repel me just as much as women.
These made me even stronger and more positive that the exclusive zoo life I chose is perfect for me.

I have a tendency towards zoophilia, the wiring in the brain is different. It's clear. Just because someone spends a lot of time around dogs doesn't mean they want to have sex with them, the tendency is definitely necessary. This is my base.
If that was all, then I would be like three quarters of this forum, I would fuck people and animals. But I'm not like that. Exclusivity and only dogs (and not horses, sheep, etc.) were probably shaped by the fact that I was alone with them a lot and they developed into companions in me. The male-female question was probably determined by the fact that since I see them so much as companions, congeners, deep down I am also canine, so their natural reproduction has developed in me, which can only be female. The other reason is rivalry, the male dogs are rivals for my pack. I have been with male dogs on a few occasions, on the one hand to examine their functioning, because this way I better understood what females are prepared for. On the other hand, trying to see if I'm really straight (?) and yeah, I didn't like it with the male dog. Although, I didn't think it was disgusting too. But it's not attractive me. Neutral. This is much more of a rivalry than two male dogs humping each other. I don't consider myself bisexual because I'm not attracted to them and I don't want to have a male dog or have sex with them. Then everyone uses the stickers they want.
I'm not even willing to try sex with humans and other animals, because I'm not interested, they don't attract me and I find them disgusting. Not neutral, only disgusting.

I approach this in the way that it is not important what caused what I have become, the point is that I have accepted it and am happy and my lifestyle is what I love. The other thing I'm happy about is that it happened at the very beginning of my sexual development and I didn't force myself into a life I didn't like, from which I would have run away afterwards.

That was a needlessly long sob story.

 

[Twelvepaws]

That was a needlessly long sob story.

Excuse me, Sir, for taking up your time.
Why read it, if it bothers you...

 

[nouveauparadigme]

I think for most of us there is no one reason or cause that led to zoophilic preferences. Many things that we are, do or want result as an amalgamation of an uncountable amount of experiences, emotions, thoughts, etc. that interlock with each other and end up forming the self. Some other things just happen and we'll never know why.

As for me, I don't know why I experience sexual and romantic attraction to some animals, I just know that I do. Of course, I can count up reasons why I find sexual/romantic relationships with animals appealing - for instance I particularly appreciate that a human-animal relationship is free of social norms and expectations - but ultimately, the reason why I desire those relationships in the first place is because... well, I just do.