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Meeting with my dad

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I posted a thread entitled "Letter from my sister" awhile back, and this is the second and probably final part of this series. I know this is a long post. Thanks in advance for your patience should you want to read it!

At the end of April, I met with my dad to tell him about my zoosexuality. Although I was terrified about this, I had long before decided that it was something that I had to do. This was the final step for me to feel right about my close relationships.

He was pleased to see me, with a smile on his face and in a good mood. Although my dread to melt, I was still afraid. I began telling him everything: how I had found that I was attracted to animals and had had mild sexual experiences with them. I told him about how I had hurt my girlfriend by lying about my sexual interest in animals. I wanted hear from me first that upon telling my siblings my relationships with them were now tenuous at best. I wanted him to see me for who I was.

He listened intensely, deeply, and thoughtfully. My nerves calmed. I could see that he wanted to listen and was giving me the space to talk freely. He calmly asked questions about how I first came across zoosexuality, and how long I had been engaged with it. He asked me few other questions too I think, but I don't remember what they were. He wanted to understand, not to judge.

He shared his thoughts on bestiality and recognized that it's been going on throughout humanity's existence. He had some concerns he wanted me to think about however, some of which are familiar to me from my girlfriend saying them.

His primary concern is that of addiction. I am an addict and prone to addictive behavior. I've been addicted to / dependent on drugs (namely caffeine, marijuana and alcohol), video games, and porn. He and my girlfriend are concerned that my addiction could be manifesting itself in zoosexuality. While I no longer play video games or take recreational drugs they are concerned that there is some underlying cause related to my addiction connected to zoosexuality.

Another concern was that of legal consent. Although I'm sure people have expressed thoughts on that topic here, I'm simply sharing what he related to me. He expressed that the concept of consent is a human-created legal construct and that it is impossible for an (albeit sexually willing) animal to consent (by human definition) to sexual activity. Another concern was that I was choosing to put myself on the lowest rung on the social ladder by pursuing and being open about my zoosexuality. His last concern was that he felt I was at risk of ensconcing myself in an echo chamber by joining an online community for something taboo.

I thanked him for sharing his perspective and promised him I'd think about these things and talk about them with my therapist. I started crying when he said that he wasn't going to ostracize me. I could tell that he truly cared for me, and that he was simply concerned. He wasn't trying to change me, or telling me what I should do. His voice was full of gentleness and I knew that we were still on the same loving and compassionate terms we were on before I walked in.

We talked a little more, and I shared about how I was trying to be more honest with people generally. Lots of crying from me. I had so much emotion pent up over this from the previous two weeks. He gave me a long hug, and there were tears in his eyes too. I told him that I would figure things out even if I didn't know what it would end up looking like, and he accepted that. Throughout our meeting I felt wonderful floods of relief, crumbling the boulder that had been crushing me.

Since meeting my dad, I haven't able to see my therapist unfortunately but I have thought about his concerns. I want to know what people here think about them. That said the addiction one is probably for me to figure out with my therapist. I do want to ask this though: do people ever engage in bestiality to cope with anything, or assuage an addiction?

*** Please know I am not interested in debating, arguing, or judging - I want to know what people's perspectives and experiences are, even if they differ or are unusual. I'm not looking for a battle over right or wrong, but I do want to know what people think.

Thank you for reading!
 
The consent thing has been proven. That's something you can always stand on.

An animal that doesn't want sex, will in fact say no. That's also why so many of us are dead against training animals FOR sex (not just showing them how to do things, but conditioning to accept), and using treat or bait motivation. Removing those things allows the animal to consent with a clearer head.

Sometimes my girl isn't in the mood, rarely my boy isn't either. What separates a respectable zoophile, from the filth, is respecting that decision. My girl says no, it's my hand for the night, sometimes she just wants oral, that's ok too.

We also know that animals can, knowingly, request sex from a human. My male practically months my arm when he wants oral, and my girl will sit on my crotch, flag, backup, etc.

They know what they are asking for, and they are given every opportunity to change their mind at any point, and they know it'll be respected.

So there's your consent issue covered
 
My opinion, don't try changing minds on the consent thing. Just tell everyone you refuse to practice. You have to be a good liar in this domain. What goes on between you and partners is between you and partners.
 
I'd say you got a hell of alot better reaction than I ever could. I can't do or say shit around anyone without a raised eyebrow and a judging stare. This is why I never have and never will mention my true sexuality to anyone outside the zoo community. You did pretty good.

Your dad's concerns are quite valid to be completely honest. He obviously wants the best for you and is willing to put in the work to make sure you are OK. I'd say that's a pretty damn good dad is you ask me. Keep him updated on what's going on, let him know what you feel and how you are dealing with this. Use your best judgment but it sounds like he really has your best interests at heart.

Much like @JazzyPaws said the consent thing is quite black and white when you actively pay attention to your partner. Good rule of thumb is don't be a dumb ass and don't think with the head between your legs. Hell, iv been right in the middle of it and all of the sudden she (both humans and dogs) changed her mind and said nope, not tonight. It is what it is. Started with a yes and ended up being no later. You develop that mutual respect between you and your partner and you pay attention to it. I'm no veterinarian but personally I think this is one of several contributing factors as to why the animals in my life tend to live so damn long past their life expectancy. Take care of them mind, body and spirit and you will reep the reward.
You rarely have to ask me twice so my answer is almost always yes but when they say no it means just that. NO.
 
My opinion, don't try changing minds on the consent thing. Just tell everyone you refuse to practice. You have to be a good liar in this domain. What goes on between you and partners is between you and partners.
Except they already revealed themself, and they want this level of honesty, risk be damned. So lying is not only in the rearview, they don't want to.
 
Except they already revealed themself, and they want this level of honesty, risk be damned. So lying is not only in the rearview, they don't want to.
To each their own. I don't see an issue with not disclosing. I told people in my life I'd never act on it.
 
To each their own. I don't see an issue with not disclosing. I told people in my life I'd never act on it.

I'm not saying theres an issue with not disclosing, I'm just saying it's too late. Read the first thread, linked in the first post here, they already told them they had experience.

Me I wouldn't SAY shit. But as soon as ppl find out I'm a zoo, they'll know I have, because Ive had dogs most of my life.
 
I'm not saying theres an issue with not disclosing, I'm just saying it's too late. Read the first thread, linked in the first post here, they already told them they had experience.

Me I wouldn't SAY shit. But as soon as ppl find out I'm a zoo, they'll know I have, because Ive had dogs most of my life.
I've got three people who know. As far as they're concerned I've never acted on anything.
 
I posted a thread entitled "Letter from my sister" awhile back, and this is the second and probably final part of this series. I know this is a long post. Thanks in advance for your patience should you want to read it!

At the end of April, I met with my dad to tell him about my zoosexuality. Although I was terrified about this, I had long before decided that it was something that I had to do. This was the final step for me to feel right about my close relationships.

He was pleased to see me, with a smile on his face and in a good mood. Although my dread to melt, I was still afraid. I began telling him everything: how I had found that I was attracted to animals and had had mild sexual experiences with them. I told him about how I had hurt my girlfriend by lying about my sexual interest in animals. I wanted hear from me first that upon telling my siblings my relationships with them were now tenuous at best. I wanted him to see me for who I was.

He listened intensely, deeply, and thoughtfully. My nerves calmed. I could see that he wanted to listen and was giving me the space to talk freely. He calmly asked questions about how I first came across zoosexuality, and how long I had been engaged with it. He asked me few other questions too I think, but I don't remember what they were. He wanted to understand, not to judge.

He shared his thoughts on bestiality and recognized that it's been going on throughout humanity's existence. He had some concerns he wanted me to think about however, some of which are familiar to me from my girlfriend saying them.

His primary concern is that of addiction. I am an addict and prone to addictive behavior. I've been addicted to / dependent on drugs (namely caffeine, marijuana and alcohol), video games, and porn. He and my girlfriend are concerned that my addiction could be manifesting itself in zoosexuality. While I no longer play video games or take recreational drugs they are concerned that there is some underlying cause related to my addiction connected to zoosexuality.

Another concern was that of legal consent. Although I'm sure people have expressed thoughts on that topic here, I'm simply sharing what he related to me. He expressed that the concept of consent is a human-created legal construct and that it is impossible for an (albeit sexually willing) animal to consent (by human definition) to sexual activity. Another concern was that I was choosing to put myself on the lowest rung on the social ladder by pursuing and being open about my zoosexuality. His last concern was that he felt I was at risk of ensconcing myself in an echo chamber by joining an online community for something taboo.

I thanked him for sharing his perspective and promised him I'd think about these things and talk about them with my therapist. I started crying when he said that he wasn't going to ostracize me. I could tell that he truly cared for me, and that he was simply concerned. He wasn't trying to change me, or telling me what I should do. His voice was full of gentleness and I knew that we were still on the same loving and compassionate terms we were on before I walked in.

We talked a little more, and I shared about how I was trying to be more honest with people generally. Lots of crying from me. I had so much emotion pent up over this from the previous two weeks. He gave me a long hug, and there were tears in his eyes too. I told him that I would figure things out even if I didn't know what it would end up looking like, and he accepted that. Throughout our meeting I felt wonderful floods of relief, crumbling the boulder that had been crushing me.

Since meeting my dad, I haven't able to see my therapist unfortunately but I have thought about his concerns. I want to know what people here think about them. That said the addiction one is probably for me to figure out with my therapist. I do want to ask this though: do people ever engage in bestiality to cope with anything, or assuage an addiction?

*** Please know I am not interested in debating, arguing, or judging - I want to know what people's perspectives and experiences are, even if they differ or are unusual. I'm not looking for a battle over right or wrong, but I do want to know what people think.

Thank you for reading!
No one has addressed it yet but you do need to be careful with the addictive behaviour there will be an element of euphoria or excitement that could be addictive. Therapist will be best. But you do need to make sure its not a lurch from one addiction to another. And that you arent using it as a crutch or escape etc. It is good you are aware of your risks of addiction, and so will also know your risks and triggers. I have the same tendencies of addiction as does entire family. Tho for most it shows up as drug and alcohol abuse. For me it was more sexual things. Its a tricky line to balance. But definitely go talk to therapist about the addiction thing. And just carefully consider any future people you come out to. As you have already found it can go different ways bad and good. From personal experience of the nature of people zoo and beastiality is still considered taboo. And large majority will not accept it. And then there are the few who will actively try to ruin you over it. Thats where my concern lies. Ultimately you know what you want and the risks you are willing to take to feel as you need to. The consent thing has been brought up many times. Again personally i have zero experience other than at one point random licking. So cannot say about behaviours but it would appear from many posts read on here that animals will exhibit fairly clear behaviours for consent. Wish you all the best and hope you are able to get the advice you need to come to terms with everything.

This post doesnt judge you in any way just trying to give from my own personal experience and feelings of life. Hopefully it helps.
 
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