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Interested in the history of the zoo community.

ShanoirII

ShanoirII

Citizen of Zooville
Hey everyone, I hope you have been well.
I just had an irking today to learn about what the zoo community itself has been like over the late 1900s and early 2000s. I have known I was zoo for quite a while, but only found out about the community surprisingly recently. I thought everyone just kept to themselves (at least I sure did) until a little while back, so my knowledge of the experiences this loose, socially exiled, secretive band has underwent is next to null past a few years.
I would love to hear any stories, happy or sad or anything between, about things the community as a whole has undergone in recent time. This could be interesting people, prozoo or antizoo, legislative battles, huge get togethers, famous mentions of the community in popular culture, shifts of the public view of zoos, anything. I am just interested in learning what I am getting into :LOL::).
Also, if you could provide an approximate year for the event, just so I can get a sense of timescale, that would be helpful. If you have been in the community for a while, this is your time to shine!
 
I don't have much to give, but I've been a zoo for a good part of my life. Only type of get togethers were a few close zoo friends, and met a couple of new ones from the ones I've known.
 
Well, in Europe, the years around 2007 resulted in Beast becoming illegal in most countries.

Netherlands was 2007. Before that, Amsterdam and Rotterdam had k9 shows in various clubs and k9 at swinger parties was quite common.

80s/90s was the hot times, but back then it was very much VHS movies and magazines. No Internet. So contact was friends referring friends. A few classifieds in magazines was tolerated for likeminded k9 people to find others.

"Car keys in a basket" parties. Very different times to today.
 
schwanen said:
Well, in Europe, the years around 2007 resulted in Beast becoming illegal in most countries.

Netherlands was 2007. Before that, Amsterdam and Rotterdam had k9 shows in various clubs and k9 at swinger parties was quite common.

80s/90s was the hot times, but back then it was very much VHS movies and magazines. No Internet. So contact was friends referring friends. A few classifieds in magazines was tolerated for likeminded k9 people to find others.

"Car keys in a basket" parties. Very different times to today.
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Can your remember what the magazines were called ?
Did they go underground or just die ?
 
knotyourdog said:
Can your remember what the magazines were called ?
Did they go underground or just die ?
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Animal Bizarre was one. Usually they published as companion pieces to 8mm film releases. Color Climax released several flicks a month, and each magazine covered three or four movies. Like everything else in the US, they were gone by the end of 1986...Ronnie's dream. They may have continued in Europe, but as E-biz took over, The Porn Industry, which did a lot to advance commerce and networking was shunned. The Credit Card Companies were allowed to excersize Censorship powers over what their cards could be used for, and that killed Beast porn, in any real sense, for good.
The Search engine should give you more info.
 
saddlebum66 said:
Animal Bizarre was one. Usually they published as companion pieces to 8mm film releases. Color Climax released several flicks a month, and each magazine covered three or four movies. Like everything else in the US, they were gone by the end of 1986...Ronnie's dream. They may have continued in Europe, but as E-biz took over, The Porn Industry, which did a lot to advance commerce and networking was shunned. The Credit Card Companies were allowed to excersize Censorship powers over what their cards could be used for, and that killed Beast porn, in any real sense, for good.
The Search engine should give you more info.
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Thanks
 
I am having the same hard time trying to dig up information. A lot of it has been removed or covered up. Also, a ton of anti-zoo results flood any good down-to-earth content.
 
Ok, so the ZooTT Podcast has a few episodes that touch on some of the history of the community. There is even an episode titled "Tales of Zoo History".
I also found a thread on Twitter created by OneBigGrumpyRat that details Randall Pepe, which is a person I have heard mentioned from time to time. While I am not sure of the total credibility of the information given, as I have no other source to verify it with, it was an interesting read. Alas, I could not find the thread itself, but I luckily saved the text. Sadly, I did not think to get those images of the chat logs.

To provoke a topic of discussion, way back in my memory, I can remember a zoo image board or booru of some kind. It either did not have a name or I just cannot remember it. It was an onion site accessible from the hidden wiki. Some people on there seemed pretty rude, but that is not the point. I went to find the site one day, and the page never connected. I know the site may have changed links, but I am wondering if it is gone in totality. All I can remember was an argument about "teen" content being showed on adjacent zoo sites, like "Crazy Dog Sex" (real classy name), and people denouncing it for promoting pedophilic stigmas around zoo. Might that have something to do with the site's closure?

I hate to bring up too many topics at once, but could someone also color me in on past relations of the zoo and furry community. I have heard from several sources that zoo and furry were once on better terms than today, and some of the "founding furries" were even zoos, themselves.
 

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Oh, would you look at the date? 6-27-2021, exactly two years since the antizoo law was made effective in Kentucky!

Anyway, I found OneBigGrumpyRat's thread and those chat logs, courtesy of ACatWhoLovesYou, which I will save and post here in case something happens to the original, as OBGR has been doxxed by KiwiLosers and the account may be threatened.
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Also some snapshots from a book, the title of which was not given, regarding Pepe.
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Irrelevant Note: I kind of regret putting this thread in the Sexuality board, and probably should have put it in another one where not everybody was just thinking about sex and maybe this page would get more attention. :ROFLMAO:
 
Wikipedia used to have two useful articles on it that described legality of zoophilia / bestiality by country and territory, and the other for individual states in the United States. However, the former was taken down in May, and the latter back in December. The part I was interested in was the date given for each state on when it passed an antizoo law.
I have no idea why the perfectly good articles were removed, but I can remember some funny arguments in the discussion thread about furries, and even found a zooville member who edited one of the pages in the history tab.
Any way, I am getting off topic. After some digging in the Wayback Machine, I found "Legality of Bestiality in the United States" and "Legality of Bestiality by Country or Territory". With the information on the US page, I constructed a (mildly depressing) list:
Connecticut when?

New York 1600s year?
Maryland 1632 6/20
Massachusetts 1641 11/date?
Rhode Island 1647 5/date?
Virginia 1661 3/23

South Carolina 1712 12/12
North Carolina 1715 date?

Mississippi 1802 6/date?
Louisiana 1805 5/ 4
Michigan 1816 11/ 4
Arkansas 1819 3/ 2
Georgia 1834 6/ 1
Wisconsin 1836 7/ 3
Minnesota 1849 3/ 3
Kansas 1850s year?
California 1850 4/13
Nebraska 1855 3/16
North Dakota 1862 4/28
Montana 1865 1/date?
Oklahoma 1890 5/ 2

Idaho 1972 4/ 1
Utah 1993 5/ 3
Delaware 1993 7/ 6
Pennsylvania 1999 8/17

Oregon 2001 date?
Iowa 2001 5/16
Maine 2001 9/21
Missouri 2002 8/28
South Dakota 2003 date?
Illinois 2003 1/ 1
Washington 2006 6/ 7
Arizona 2006 9/21
Tennessee 2007 date?
Indiana & CO 2007 7/ 1
Colorado & IN 2007 7/ 1
Alaska 2010 9/13
Florida 2011 10/ 1
Alabama 2014 7/ 1
New Jersey 2015 11/ 9
New Hampshire 2017 1/ 1
Ohio 2017 3/19
Vermont 2017 7/ 1
Texas 2017 9/ 1
Nevada 2017 10/ 1
Kentucky 2019 6/27

Hawaii legal
New Mexico legal
West Virginia legal
Wyoming legal (will become illegal in like 4 days)

With this list, we can analyze the trends in antizoo legislation. It seems that whenever it was banned in one area, in subsequent years other states jumped on a bandwagon. For instance, from 1600 to 2000, 25 states passed an antizoo law. From 2001 to 2021, 22 more passed an antizoo law, leaving only 3 left (not including Wyoming which will pass its law on July 1).
It seems that there has been a recent surge in antizoo laws, as in twenty years we have had almost as many passed as we did in the course of four hundred.
 
I was just browsing another forum and found a link to an article from 1996. It is a guide on how to have sexual relations with dolphins, among other cetacean related things. It was written under the alias of "Dragon-wolfe Dolphinn".

Sexwork Cyber Resource Center || Dolphin Sex

www.sexwork.com

Could anyone tell me if guides like this were common back in the 1990s? How available were these guides, as in, where did you have to go to see them? Did there still exist the same general stigma around zoo as today? These seem like really simple questions, but trust me, the fossil record of the internet, news, and libraries is far from complete.
 
If you're interested in web fossils, check archive.org. You can follow links through dozens of zoo pages from the 1990s, if you find a good entry point. And mind that you can jump forward and backwards in time there. Here is a possible start:

Yiffle: Zoophilia

Page description: Zoophilia
web.archive.org

There are fossils of really interesting sites with personal stories, how-tos, philosophy, politics, fun ...
 
So I actually found that onion site on the original Hidden Wiki again, but the site would not return results, still after all these years.
I found a page - one page - on the Wayback Machine. This at least allows me to get a feel for how the site was, and kind of jogged my memory.
I also found a guide I had not seen in a while.
I also, funnily enough, chanced upon a link to here in the same place I was searching. It is a v2 onion link though, and TOR is about to stop supporting those.
 
ShanoirII said:
So I actually found that onion site on the original Hidden Wiki again, but the site would not return results, still after all these years.
I found a page - one page - on the Wayback Machine. This at least allows me to get a feel for how the site was, and kind of jogged my memory.
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FORBIDDEN_WEBSITE! used to be a very well known and notorious website. Its clearnet address was FORBIDDEN_WEBSITE!.org. There are and were a handful of "new FORBIDDEN_WEBSITE!s" such as FORBIDDEN_WEBSITE!.top besides many other imageboards not linked to FORBIDDEN_WEBSITE!, but I haven't seen an active zoo board anywhere.
 
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I know.
But, there have to be a few more people out there with some stories to share about how zoophiles interacted in the recent past.
 
Gemini75 said:

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Legality of bestiality by country or territory - Wikipedia

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Oh, I see. It is because it was original research. But it seems like another reason for deletion was because they did not want to provide a chart of where zoo was legal in case a zoo may potentially use the map:
I don't think it is consistent with Wikipedia's goals and standards to have a half-baked road map of the world to help people figure out where it is possibly legal to rape animals.
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And what constitutes legality or illegality of zoophilia was also dubious, so the article was of no use:
This has resulted in a situation where the article is probably accurate about where animal rape is explicitly against the law, but every entry marked as "legal" or "unknown" is due to a lack of reliably sourced information found during the course of the original research, as opposed to a reflection of the actual situation in these jurisdictions. In some cases the repeal of sodomy laws has the unintended side effect of technically removing explicit laws on raping animals, but this cannot reasonably be taken as an explicit endorsement of the legality of animal raping.
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Thanks for the heads-up. I guess the articles were not "perfectly good" by most standards after all.
 
ShanoirII said:
Could anyone tell me if guides like this were common back in the 1990s?
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Not common at all. Why would you think they ever might have been?

That said, zoophilia wasn't as utterly unspeakable even as late as the mid-1980s as it is now, and in the 1970s it wasn't uncommon to see it in sex-fantasy books (for both men and women) and jokes/cartoons in semi-mainstream sex magazines like Playboy and Hustler where it was portrayed as nothing more than the (invariably) woman being extremely horny. I even remember a news article in one of the major Seattle newspapers in the late 1990s about some zoo guy having "dates" with his dog on Saturday nights -- a nice bath, sex, and so on. The article was a really blatant attempt to bring discussion of it into the mainstream.

Unfortunately, a few years later there was the "Mr. Hands" thing and you know the rest.
 
knotyourdog said:
Can your remember what the magazines were called ?
Did they go underground or just die ?
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I lot of the old personal sections in the porn rags sold at porn shops had a section sometimes called bizarr or taboo and it was usually filled with people interested in animals. Some mags I remember were

Swing and sway
Aloa (Animal lovers of America)
forgot the other ones, been years, but there were a few others.
 
Regardless of what it seems, Prior to the advent of the net, The primary reason Beast porn and the hobby itself was not so unspeakable, or seemed that way, was simply the lack in the mundane world, of any real knowledge of how widespread it was. Its never been common, but it turned out in mundane eyes, to be more of a threat than the joke it had been. Once the easy communication of the net made such knowledge general, it was only a matter of time before people like Reagan saw an opportunity to gain cred by going after such things.By 1986, pornshops in the US were no longer selling magazines and even printed novels. Little by little, credit companies were squeezed, and so squeezed dealers, into dropping certain subjects. At that time it was more effective methodology than actually backing censorship laws that had been knocked down only a decade prior. Politicians take the path of least resistance, and so do lazy parents. When mommy and daddy realized what junior was doing with his fun new computer, they scrramed murder at their congressmen, not at themselves for handing the kid the keys to the porn drawer. Sucks, but thats how it happened. Magazines were never easy, but printed works with zoo topics could be found in any bus station, newsstand, grocery store, and werever dirty books were available. Movies were available in porn shops, but usually beasty stuff was still 8mm. Projector needed. Most of it disappeared before Bush I was elected.
 
saddlebum66 said:
Regardless of what it seems, Prior to the advent of the net, The primary reason Beast porn and the hobby itself was not so unspeakable, or seemed that way, was simply the lack in the mundane world, of any real knowledge of how widespread it was. Its never been common, but it turned out in mundane eyes, to be more of a threat than the joke it had been. Once the easy communication of the net made such knowledge general, it was only a matter of time before people like Reagan saw an opportunity to gain cred by going after such things.By 1986, pornshops in the US were no longer selling magazines and even printed novels. Little by little, credit companies were squeezed, and so squeezed dealers, into dropping certain subjects. At that time it was more effective methodology than actually backing censorship laws that had been knocked down only a decade prior. Politicians take the path of least resistance, and so do lazy parents. When mommy and daddy realized what junior was doing with his fun new computer, they scrramed murder at their congressmen, not at themselves for handing the kid the keys to the porn drawer. Sucks, but thats how it happened. Magazines were never easy, but printed works with zoo topics could be found in any bus station, newsstand, grocery store, and werever dirty books were available. Movies were available in porn shops, but usually beasty stuff was still 8mm. Projector needed. Most of it disappeared before Bush I was elected.
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Yes there was that early push to clean up America, keeping our kids from seeing that side, but the next big push (last 10 years) of legislation was the animal rights people like PETA etc pushing for it, resulting some from zoo people getting into the mainstream news as a few have have from Washington state. Only a few states left. I thought Texas and Nevada would not fall, but they went too. State politicians pushed for legislation to gain popularity like it was COVID. How could one vote against it? May as well pass legislation banning Martians from buying land.

Give me the good ol' days. I felt no fear of meeting anyone back then. I lived in Southern Calf in them days, and Calif being more open then most states, it was all that much more available.
 
schwanen said:
Well, in Europe, the years around 2007 resulted in Beast becoming illegal in most countries.

Netherlands was 2007. Before that, Amsterdam and Rotterdam had k9 shows in various clubs and k9 at swinger parties was quite common.

80s/90s was the hot times, but back then it was very much VHS movies and magazines. No Internet. So contact was friends referring friends. A few classifieds in magazines was tolerated for likeminded k9 people to find others.

"Car keys in a basket" parties. Very different times to today.
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Maybe I'm wrong but noticed many movies made in the mid 80s. Especially from Brasil sort of mainstream porn movies but also scenes with horses or dogs. Like a scene posted here with Marcia Ferro. At the same time some Italian/French movies have similar scenes. La Bionda e la Bestia 2, Number One, Osceno, La Perverse Chatelaine, etc.

Why was this the time for producing these kind of movies? Maybe someone could explain. Is it about people wanting to buy something on vhs? Or other reasons?

There is an old horse-blow-gag scene with a white horse widespread on the internet. It's from the movie Mulheres Taradas por Animais (also 80s movie from Brasil).
 
warner said:
Maybe I'm wrong but noticed many movies made in the mid 80s. Especially from Brasil sort of mainstream porn movies but also scenes with horses or dogs. Like a scene posted here with Marcia Ferro. At the same time some Italian/French movies have similar scenes. La Bionda e la Bestia 2, Number One, Osceno, La Perverse Chatelaine, etc.

Why was this the time for producing these kind of movies? Maybe someone could explain. Is it about people wanting to buy something on vhs? Or other reasons?

There is an old horse-blow-gag scene with a white horse widespread on the internet. It's from the movie Mulheres Taradas por Animais (also 80s movie from Brasil).
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Mail order catalogues were the way of doing business then, and selling videos in adult stores. Runs were 5'000-10'000 per title for distribution, mostly in europe.
 
There are articles on the net saying that 24 HORAS DE SEXO EXPLÍCITO was the first cinematic movie showing bestiality (Vania Bonier and Jack the dog). It's from 1985. There is a documentary called Maldito. An older regisseur made a contract for a dozen movies (after the end of the military dictatorship). This movie was silly, but financially successful. Maybe this is why the industry in Italy/France tried to copy it. The regisseur Mojica made a second parted called 48 HORAS DE SEXO ALUCINANTE. I don't know how many of these pornochanchada there are, but it's more than a dozen. Probably less from Italy/France.
 
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