I'm back.

[ZooeyZeta]

Hello, some of you who have been active on this forum this past September to October may have been wondering where I've been gone. A part of my absence has been due to other interests taking up my time partially, but mainly I've just gotten so tired and sick of hearing bad things about our perfectly legitimate sexuality, from society and governments cracking down in recent times etc. so I've had to take a break from this website and others. It's just very bad vibes and I know it's a natural part of being a zoo but..... I've never been part of a group that's been this oppressed even in modern times, and I know I am but young, I guess this was my fate. I sincerely don't understand how so many people in this world don't have the brain cell count required to understand this as being healthy and normal, provided of course no one is getting hurt/their will interfered with. Yet, so many other minorities are receiving recognition and protection from hate crimes by "the powers that be" - racial minorities, LGBT, you name it - but we're mostly left out in the cold for no good reason, with many groups encouraging hate and so many things that are far worse than having a healthy loving relationship with an animal, including death threats, doxxing, and suicide, and that's probably the worst part about it that tears me up the most. And the fact that so many here seem to opine that it's hopeless for us to even try to have our rights recognized, that progressivism is not in our favor, etc...... that we would be better off just living in secrecy which I believe isn't true...... anyone remember what happened in Germany? They know how to fight. Furthermore, it feels so much as if there's something "right" about this era of humanity, or at least where we're going socially speaking, I can't help but wonder if I'm even on the "right side" at all given some of the things I see people say on here, I somewhat feel like I am in the minority when it comes to being a "progressive zoo". It feels like we're posed to be doomed no matter what, or that as society shifts left our rights are somehow regressing? I know and understand that the two party/side system, left/right, is rotten, corrupt and toxic, but what will it take to change that? People even that I know have this prejudice towards either side, somewhat understandably but more than once I've heard people from both sides saying all the people on any given side are wrong and stupid, etc. when some of those people probably have individual opinions that deviate from "their side's opinion", or they know that deep inside without admitting it. It makes me wonder if there is even an objective right or wrong at all, given viewpoints differ greatly on many issues. Sometimes I wonder, why the fuck is it just not possible to clear away all the corruption, secrecy and hatred and live together happily? Society could stand to be a lot simpler and easier I think and I feel as time goes on we're heading that way but there's still so much corruption even among the Left.

Anyway I have gotten off topic, I knew I haven't belonged here for years but this especially is making it painfully clear for me. I can't help but wonder why, if past lives exist, if other worlds exist, if I come from one where this was totally acceptable or if I was an animal in a past life, I just feel so confused about myself...... and if that's the case I really wanna go back because this world is so damn deceivingly cruel, yet I feel I have an obligation to better this world in some way, to contribute somehow, even though I am handicapped with other mental disorders that make that much harder. I've gotten into this sort of thing before and the zooey side of me is reigniting my interest in such topics, even though it never went completely away, just to find myself an explanation as to why I feel this way I guess. I could get into a whole big ramble about this too but this post is long enough honestly and it'll get into content far outside the scope of this forum, so oh well. Anyway I am back, though I probably won't be nearly as active.

 

[bordercollie2]

Hello, some of you who have been active on this forum this past September to October may have been wondering where I've been gone. A part of my absence has been due to other interests taking up my time partially, but mainly I've just gotten so tired and sick of hearing bad things about our perfectly legitimate sexuality, from society and governments cracking down in recent times etc. so I've had to take a break from this website and others. It's just very bad vibes and I know it's a natural part of being a zoo but..... I've never been part of a group that's been this oppressed even in modern times, and I know I am but young, I guess this was my fate. I sincerely don't understand how so many people in this world don't have the brain cell count required to understand this as being healthy and normal, provided of course no one is getting hurt/their will interfered with. Yet, so many other minorities are receiving recognition and protection from hate crimes by "the powers that be" - racial minorities, LGBT, you name it - but we're mostly left out in the cold for no good reason, with many groups encouraging hate and so many things that are far worse than having a healthy loving relationship with an animal, including death threats, doxxing, and suicide, and that's probably the worst part about it that tears me up the most. And the fact that so many here seem to opine that it's hopeless for us to even try to have our rights recognized, that progressivism is not in our favor, etc...... that we would be better off just living in secrecy which I believe isn't true...... anyone remember what happened in Germany? They know how to fight. Furthermore, it feels so much as if there's something "right" about this era of humanity, or at least where we're going socially speaking, I can't help but wonder if I'm even on the "right side" at all given some of the things I see people say on here, I somewhat feel like I am in the minority when it comes to being a "progressive zoo". It feels like we're posed to be doomed no matter what, or that as society shifts left our rights are somehow regressing? I know and understand that the two party/side system, left/right, is rotten, corrupt and toxic, but what will it take to change that? People even that I know have this prejudice towards either side, somewhat understandably but more than once I've heard people from both sides saying all the people on any given side are wrong and stupid, etc. when some of those people probably have individual opinions that deviate from "their side's opinion", or they know that deep inside without admitting it. It makes me wonder if there is even an objective right or wrong at all, given viewpoints differ greatly on many issues. Sometimes I wonder, why the fuck is it just not possible to clear away all the corruption, secrecy and hatred and live together happily? Society could stand to be a lot simpler and easier I think and I feel as time goes on we're heading that way but there's still so much corruption even among the Left.

Anyway I have gotten off topic, I knew I haven't belonged here for years but this especially is making it painfully clear for me. I can't help but wonder why, if past lives exist, if other worlds exist, if I come from one where this was totally acceptable or if I was an animal in a past life, I just feel so confused about myself...... and if that's the case I really wanna go back because this world is so damn deceivingly cruel, yet I feel I have an obligation to better this world in some way, to contribute somehow, even though I am handicapped with other mental disorders that make that much harder. I've gotten into this sort of thing before and the zooey side of me is reigniting my interest in such topics, even though it never went completely away, just to find myself an explanation as to why I feel this way I guess. I could get into a whole big ramble about this too but this post is long enough honestly and it'll get into content far outside the scope of this forum, so oh well. Anyway I am back, though I probably won't be nearly as active.

Well, I wanted to answer about myself why I joined this forum! I felt like crap because I like dogs and not humans, and I thought I was like that! But I was wrong

 

[bordercollie2]

Hello, some of you who have been active on this forum this past September to October may have been wondering where I've been gone. A part of my absence has been due to other interests taking up my time partially, but mainly I've just gotten so tired and sick of hearing bad things about our perfectly legitimate sexuality, from society and governments cracking down in recent times etc. so I've had to take a break from this website and others. It's just very bad vibes and I know it's a natural part of being a zoo but..... I've never been part of a group that's been this oppressed even in modern times, and I know I am but young, I guess this was my fate. I sincerely don't understand how so many people in this world don't have the brain cell count required to understand this as being healthy and normal, provided of course no one is getting hurt/their will interfered with. Yet, so many other minorities are receiving recognition and protection from hate crimes by "the powers that be" - racial minorities, LGBT, you name it - but we're mostly left out in the cold for no good reason, with many groups encouraging hate and so many things that are far worse than having a healthy loving relationship with an animal, including death threats, doxxing, and suicide, and that's probably the worst part about it that tears me up the most. And the fact that so many here seem to opine that it's hopeless for us to even try to have our rights recognized, that progressivism is not in our favor, etc...... that we would be better off just living in secrecy which I believe isn't true...... anyone remember what happened in Germany? They know how to fight. Furthermore, it feels so much as if there's something "right" about this era of humanity, or at least where we're going socially speaking, I can't help but wonder if I'm even on the "right side" at all given some of the things I see people say on here, I somewhat feel like I am in the minority when it comes to being a "progressive zoo". It feels like we're posed to be doomed no matter what, or that as society shifts left our rights are somehow regressing? I know and understand that the two party/side system, left/right, is rotten, corrupt and toxic, but what will it take to change that? People even that I know have this prejudice towards either side, somewhat understandably but more than once I've heard people from both sides saying all the people on any given side are wrong and stupid, etc. when some of those people probably have individual opinions that deviate from "their side's opinion", or they know that deep inside without admitting it. It makes me wonder if there is even an objective right or wrong at all, given viewpoints differ greatly on many issues. Sometimes I wonder, why the fuck is it just not possible to clear away all the corruption, secrecy and hatred and live together happily? Society could stand to be a lot simpler and easier I think and I feel as time goes on we're heading that way but there's still so much corruption even among the Left.

Anyway I have gotten off topic, I knew I haven't belonged here for years but this especially is making it painfully clear for me. I can't help but wonder why, if past lives exist, if other worlds exist, if I come from one where this was totally acceptable or if I was an animal in a past life, I just feel so confused about myself...... and if that's the case I really wanna go back because this world is so damn deceivingly cruel, yet I feel I have an obligation to better this world in some way, to contribute somehow, even though I am handicapped with other mental disorders that make that much harder. I've gotten into this sort of thing before and the zooey side of me is reigniting my interest in such topics, even though it never went completely away, just to find myself an explanation as to why I feel this way I guess. I could get into a whole big ramble about this too but this post is long enough honestly and it'll get into content far outside the scope of this forum, so oh well. Anyway I am back, though I probably won't be nearly as active.

On civil rights for zoophiles I believe it will never happen for the simple fact that animals do not speak

 

[bordercollie2]

Hello, some of you who have been active on this forum this past September to October may have been wondering where I've been gone. A part of my absence has been due to other interests taking up my time partially, but mainly I've just gotten so tired and sick of hearing bad things about our perfectly legitimate sexuality, from society and governments cracking down in recent times etc. so I've had to take a break from this website and others. It's just very bad vibes and I know it's a natural part of being a zoo but..... I've never been part of a group that's been this oppressed even in modern times, and I know I am but young, I guess this was my fate. I sincerely don't understand how so many people in this world don't have the brain cell count required to understand this as being healthy and normal, provided of course no one is getting hurt/their will interfered with. Yet, so many other minorities are receiving recognition and protection from hate crimes by "the powers that be" - racial minorities, LGBT, you name it - but we're mostly left out in the cold for no good reason, with many groups encouraging hate and so many things that are far worse than having a healthy loving relationship with an animal, including death threats, doxxing, and suicide, and that's probably the worst part about it that tears me up the most. And the fact that so many here seem to opine that it's hopeless for us to even try to have our rights recognized, that progressivism is not in our favor, etc...... that we would be better off just living in secrecy which I believe isn't true...... anyone remember what happened in Germany? They know how to fight. Furthermore, it feels so much as if there's something "right" about this era of humanity, or at least where we're going socially speaking, I can't help but wonder if I'm even on the "right side" at all given some of the things I see people say on here, I somewhat feel like I am in the minority when it comes to being a "progressive zoo". It feels like we're posed to be doomed no matter what, or that as society shifts left our rights are somehow regressing? I know and understand that the two party/side system, left/right, is rotten, corrupt and toxic, but what will it take to change that? People even that I know have this prejudice towards either side, somewhat understandably but more than once I've heard people from both sides saying all the people on any given side are wrong and stupid, etc. when some of those people probably have individual opinions that deviate from "their side's opinion", or they know that deep inside without admitting it. It makes me wonder if there is even an objective right or wrong at all, given viewpoints differ greatly on many issues. Sometimes I wonder, why the fuck is it just not possible to clear away all the corruption, secrecy and hatred and live together happily? Society could stand to be a lot simpler and easier I think and I feel as time goes on we're heading that way but there's still so much corruption even among the Left.

Anyway I have gotten off topic, I knew I haven't belonged here for years but this especially is making it painfully clear for me. I can't help but wonder why, if past lives exist, if other worlds exist, if I come from one where this was totally acceptable or if I was an animal in a past life, I just feel so confused about myself...... and if that's the case I really wanna go back because this world is so damn deceivingly cruel, yet I feel I have an obligation to better this world in some way, to contribute somehow, even though I am handicapped with other mental disorders that make that much harder. I've gotten into this sort of thing before and the zooey side of me is reigniting my interest in such topics, even though it never went completely away, just to find myself an explanation as to why I feel this way I guess. I could get into a whole big ramble about this too but this post is long enough honestly and it'll get into content far outside the scope of this forum, so oh well. Anyway I am back, though I probably won't be nearly as active.

I am a woman, and since my childhood I noticed that I was different from the others, did you feel that way?

 

[ryirkil]

Hello, some of you who have been active on this forum this past September to October may have been wondering where I've been gone. A part of my absence has been due to other interests taking up my time partially, but mainly I've just gotten so tired and sick of hearing bad things about our perfectly legitimate sexuality, from society and governments cracking down in recent times etc. so I've had to take a break from this website and others. It's just very bad vibes and I know it's a natural part of being a zoo but..... I've never been part of a group that's been this oppressed even in modern times, and I know I am but young, I guess this was my fate. I sincerely don't understand how so many people in this world don't have the brain cell count required to understand this as being healthy and normal, provided of course no one is getting hurt/their will interfered with. Yet, so many other minorities are receiving recognition and protection from hate crimes by "the powers that be" - racial minorities, LGBT, you name it - but we're mostly left out in the cold for no good reason, with many groups encouraging hate and so many things that are far worse than having a healthy loving relationship with an animal, including death threats, doxxing, and suicide, and that's probably the worst part about it that tears me up the most. And the fact that so many here seem to opine that it's hopeless for us to even try to have our rights recognized, that progressivism is not in our favor, etc...... that we would be better off just living in secrecy which I believe isn't true...... anyone remember what happened in Germany? They know how to fight. Furthermore, it feels so much as if there's something "right" about this era of humanity, or at least where we're going socially speaking, I can't help but wonder if I'm even on the "right side" at all given some of the things I see people say on here, I somewhat feel like I am in the minority when it comes to being a "progressive zoo". It feels like we're posed to be doomed no matter what, or that as society shifts left our rights are somehow regressing? I know and understand that the two party/side system, left/right, is rotten, corrupt and toxic, but what will it take to change that? People even that I know have this prejudice towards either side, somewhat understandably but more than once I've heard people from both sides saying all the people on any given side are wrong and stupid, etc. when some of those people probably have individual opinions that deviate from "their side's opinion", or they know that deep inside without admitting it. It makes me wonder if there is even an objective right or wrong at all, given viewpoints differ greatly on many issues. Sometimes I wonder, why the fuck is it just not possible to clear away all the corruption, secrecy and hatred and live together happily? Society could stand to be a lot simpler and easier I think and I feel as time goes on we're heading that way but there's still so much corruption even among the Left.

Anyway I have gotten off topic, I knew I haven't belonged here for years but this especially is making it painfully clear for me. I can't help but wonder why, if past lives exist, if other worlds exist, if I come from one where this was totally acceptable or if I was an animal in a past life, I just feel so confused about myself...... and if that's the case I really wanna go back because this world is so damn deceivingly cruel, yet I feel I have an obligation to better this world in some way, to contribute somehow, even though I am handicapped with other mental disorders that make that much harder. I've gotten into this sort of thing before and the zooey side of me is reigniting my interest in such topics, even though it never went completely away, just to find myself an explanation as to why I feel this way I guess. I could get into a whole big ramble about this too but this post is long enough honestly and it'll get into content far outside the scope of this forum, so oh well. Anyway I am back, though I probably won't be nearly as active.

we're mostly left out in the cold for no good reason

No good reason to do something is a good reason not to do it. Do not expect to be helped unless someone has a profit to make on that, whatever the profit is. We are not strong enough to rapidly change the public opinion, mostly because of lack of organization and motivation. It's relatively safe unless you go public and mental stress related to secrecy can be lessened considerably with coming out to 2, 3 people and chatting online. I can see only two ways to get accepted widely in such an enviornment: on our own, slowly convincing people one by one to change their mind or with external "help", in a matter of a year or 2. Keep in mind though that the only help of that magnitude we can hope to get will have a goal of dividing people. I prefer the first option even though when we succeed the second one will probably get launched. There is also a third one: to make our lives so miserable that we will rise up on our own. We have the numbers required.

Sometimes I wonder, why the fuck is it just not possible to clear away all the corruption, secrecy and hatred and live together happily? Society could stand to be a lot simpler and easier

No, that is not possible. It's just not how the world works. There are systems set up to control power. By power I mean resources in a very broad definition: food, metals, all kinds of products, people, land, etc. Why is that? Because there are naturally some people who want such thing and will try to get it. Some of them will succeed. Then how do you get rid of what they have set up? The only way is to get at least similar amount of power. So the only people capable of overthrowing those who seek power are those who seek power. And the circle closes. There is no way out, you can only try to get on top of this structure.

I think and I feel as time goes on we're heading that way but there's still so much corruption even among the Left.

Yes, that is what you are meant to feel. Ok, I should probably stop before it gets moved to dumpster fire.

 

[ZooeyZeta]

@bordercollie2, thanks for responding to this thread. I've always been somewhat introverted since I was little, yes. I was more outgoing back in the day than I was now mind you, but I was always rather quirky. And (as a male) while a few select girls were able to sneak their way into my heart, nothing quite did it for me like animals, of pretty much any species. And the few that I were very attracted to, resonated with me far deeper than any human could. I always knew I stood out from the crowd, from amongst my peers, from society's norms.

No one deserves to feel like crap merely for being attracted to other species. It's just an attraction, and has zero moral bearing on the person possessing the attraction in question. Actions are what matter, and while I'd like to say that I fail to understand why the general populace is incapable of understanding such yet people are standing up for other sexual minorities in increasing numbers, it's just as @ryirkil said...... it's not how most humans work. Despite showing fake concern for others, many of us are selfish creatures who won't do anything without any real incentive to. And as there's not as many of us to stand up for ourselves, and our natural tendencies to resonate with animals more means more of us are likely inclined to be shyer and more introverted especially regarding matters that are perceived as taboo by mainstream society, our progress has been far behind that of other social movements. Not to mention that it's far easier to construct seemingly reasonable arguments against zoophilia to the average Joe, and we lack the organization and motivation to stand up for ourselves or convince people far more powerful than us to stand up for zoophilia, our odds are far worse, unfortunately. Propagate the anti-zoo nonsense amongst the majority and another one of humanity's most prevalent traits, groupthink, will take over and keep the cycle of hatred uncalled for going. Many of us simply don't have the brain cell count required to peer deeper into an issue than where groupthink and authority dictates we stand...... hopefully that will change in the future, and enough of us begin standing up for ourselves and something changes, and people begin accepting us on a wider scale than they are now.

I relieved some of the burden of secrecy a couple weeks ago by outing myself to my parents...... risky move some of you may wager, but I know my parents are rather kind and accepting of pretty much anyone. They still love me and all, though they were skeptical animals had the capability to consent (even though they didn't deny it outright right away). I plan to work on them though, but for the time being I am very relieved I have two people I know in my life that accept me for who I am. I also plan to come out to a third friend who is also fairly kind and accepting, but that may take a while yet. So, I suppose all I can say is I'm doing my part for ryirkil's first option....... to change this world, slowly but surely, one or two people at a time. Eventually though someone with power and who wants to fight for us will be convinced, and that will help speed things along.

 

[bordercollie2]

@bordercollie2, thanks for responding to this thread. I've always been somewhat introverted since I was little, yes. I was more outgoing back in the day than I was now mind you, but I was always rather quirky. And (as a male) while a few select girls were able to sneak their way into my heart, nothing quite did it for me like animals, of pretty much any species. And the few that I were very attracted to, resonated with me far deeper than any human could. I always knew I stood out from the crowd, from amongst my peers, from society's norms.

No one deserves to feel like crap merely for being attracted to other species. It's just an attraction, and has zero moral bearing on the person possessing the attraction in question. Actions are what matter, and while I'd like to say that I fail to understand why the general populace is incapable of understanding such yet people are standing up for other sexual minorities in increasing numbers, it's just as @ryirkil said...... it's not how most humans work. Despite showing fake concern for others, many of us are selfish creatures who won't do anything without any real incentive to. And as there's not as many of us to stand up for ourselves, and our natural tendencies to resonate with animals more means more of us are likely inclined to be shyer and more introverted especially regarding matters that are perceived as taboo by mainstream society, our progress has been far behind that of other social movements. Not to mention that it's far easier to construct seemingly reasonable arguments against zoophilia to the average Joe, and we lack the organization and motivation to stand up for ourselves or convince people far more powerful than us to stand up for zoophilia, our odds are far worse, unfortunately. Propagate the anti-zoo nonsense amongst the majority and another one of humanity's most prevalent traits, groupthink, will take over and keep the cycle of hatred uncalled for going. Many of us simply don't have the brain cell count required to peer deeper into an issue than where groupthink and authority dictates we stand...... hopefully that will change in the future, and enough of us begin standing up for ourselves and something changes, and people begin accepting us on a wider scale than they are now.

I relieved some of the burden of secrecy a couple weeks ago by outing myself to my parents...... risky move some of you may wager, but I know my parents are rather kind and accepting of pretty much anyone. They still love me and all, though they were skeptical animals had the capability to consent (even though they didn't deny it outright right away). I plan to work on them though, but for the time being I am very relieved I have two people I know in my life that accept me for who I am. I also plan to come out to a third friend who is also fairly kind and accepting, but that may take a while yet. So, I suppose all I can say is I'm doing my part for ryirkil's first option....... to change this world, slowly but surely, one or two people at a time. Eventually though someone with power and who wants to fight for us will be convinced, and that will help speed things along.

Wow did you talk to your parents about this? What courage, tell me how it was and how was the environment at that time.