How illegal is it to be here ?

[knotarguing]

Hello,

I did a little research on the forum and I couldn't find the answer to my question, I probably didn't use the right keywords because I'm sure the questions have probably already been asked here

I have tree questions, here is my first

Is it illegal to be on a forum like this? Can we be arrested for only having participated in a conversation in this forum, and if we can be arrested what would be the reason for the arrest -- I mean, as far as I know free speech still exists, aren't we allowed to talk about things we like?

Second question, countries that consider zoophilia illegal probably have more important things to do than try to arrest zoophiles, but are there many people who have been jailed?

Last question, do you feel like a criminal because you love animals?

 

[pes]

Is it illegal to be on a forum like this?

That depends on the laws in the place where you live and what you post.

Second question, countries that consider zoophilia illegal probably have more important things to do than try to arrest zoophiles, but are there many people who have been jailed?

Do not know. But the more you put yourself out by meeting unknown strangers from the personal section the more likely it probably is.

Last question, do you feel like a criminal because you love animals?

No. But this is a wrong question since even people who have done worse things always have an excuse for it.

 

[FloofyNewfie]

Is it illegal to be on a forum like this? Can we be arrested for only having participated in a conversation in this forum, and if we can be arrested what would be the reason for the arrest -- I mean, as far as I know free speech still exists, aren't we allowed to talk about things we like?

It depends on the laws of the land in which you reside. I believe you're from Canada, so I believe just being here isn't illegal. But if you post identifiable porn involving animals, then it can be used against you by the law.

Second question, countries that consider zoophilia illegal probably have more important things to do than try to arrest zoophiles, but are there many people who have been jailed?

Many people have been unlucky and have been jailed. Back in the wild days of the early to mid 2000's people used to post porn of themselves fucking animals with their face fully exposed all the time. I've heard plenty of stories of people getting their houses raided by the police, evidence seized, and getting arrested. In the U.S. there was a Sheriff that goes by Joe Arpaio who used to setup craigslist and Beast Forum meetup sting operations, similar to underage stings but with bestiality instead. Get people to meet up, admit their intensions on a recording device, and then arrest them. Anyone can take 5-10 minutes to create a protonmail email and then ZooVille account, that includes law enforcement.

Your biggest risk, in general, is being doxxed though, if you post identifiable information about yourself.

Last question, do you feel like a criminal because you love animals?

Do I feel like a criminal? No. Is having sex with my dog hella illegal? Absolutely!

 

[knotarguing]

No. But this is a wrong question since even people who have done worse things always have an excuse for it.

Well said

It depends on the laws of the land in which you reside. I believe you're from Canada, so I believe just being here isn't illegal. But if you post identifiable porn involving animals, then it can be used against you by the law.

In fact the question that I ask myself is, the fact of being on a zoo site and discussing is one thing, on the other hand the fact of being on a zoo site and where there is a lot of zoo porn available might be different?

Many people have been unlucky and have been jailed. Back in the wild days of the early to mid 2000's people used to post porn of themselves fucking animals with their face fully exposed all the time. I've heard plenty of stories of people getting their houses raided by the police, evidence seized, and getting arrested. In the U.S. there was a Sheriff that goes by Joe Arpaio who used to setup craigslist and Beast Forum meetup sting operations, similar to underage stings but with bestiality instead. Get people to meet up, admit their intensions on a recording device, and then arrest them. Anyone can take 5-10 minutes to create a protonmail email and then ZooVille account, that includes law enforcement.

Interesting!

Admitted their intentions on a recording
Really? I mean its that enough to arrest someone? I thought you had to catch them in the act to have reasonable proof

Your biggest risk, in general, is being doxxed though, if you post identifiable information about yourself.

People would like to doxxed someone to be able to blackmail?

 

[UR20Z]

Admitted their intentions on a recording
Really? I mean its that enough to arrest someone? I thought you had to catch them in the act to have reasonable proof

The way Joe set things up, the fact that you were physically present to BE arrested was enough to support at least a charge of, if not conviction for, "attempted...", which, in and of itself is frequently more than enough to destroy your life as you've known it to date.

People would like to doxxed someone to be able to blackmail?

Huh? Try again using english grammar, please? The individual words are perfectly fine english, but the way they're put together comes out as meaningless gibberish to me.

 

[knotarguing]

Huh? Try again using english grammar, please? The individual words are perfectly fine english, but the way they're put together comes out as meaningless gibberish to me.

You hit a nerve here!
Maybe my english is bad but I think If you made a effort you car understand what I was trying to said

 

[bigeorge91]

I think just using a bit of common sense goes a long way. I don't think being on this forum is necessarily a big threat in most Western nations. But a VPN never hurts. And be careful of what you upload and download.
Meeting for sex isn't something people should be doing in any kind of hurry, as it is. Establishing trust is something that not enough people really seem to bother with. If someone acts a little suspicious, there might be a reason for it.

And be careful with the language you use. Assume you're always being spied on. After all, you are.

 

[FloofyNewfie]

Admitted their intentions on a recording
Really? I mean its that enough to arrest someone? I thought you had to catch them in the act to have reasonable proof

From what I understand, yes. A fun little fact they don't tell you about the "To catch a predator" television show. If you have a well paid lawyer you can more than likely argue away those charges and have your case either dismissed, or you might spend a month or two in jail as well as serve some community service. However, if you're forced to take a public defender, you'll more than likely have to take a plea deal instead. Which means guaranteed jail time.

Someone who can't afford to take care of an animal of their own is likely not able to afford a fancy high price lawyer. So there's a good chance that they'll be heavily fined, and spend at least a few months in jail, if not longer. This is for the U.S. and may vary from states to state. I'm not sure if it works this way in Canada or not?

 

[knotarguing]

I think just using a bit of common sense goes a long way. I don't think being on this forum is necessarily a big threat in most Western nations. But a VPN never hurts. And be careful of what you upload and download.
Meeting for sex isn't something people should be doing in any kind of hurry, as it is. Establishing trust is something that not enough people really seem to bother with. If someone acts a little suspicious, there might be a reason for it.

And be careful with the language you use. Assume you're always being spied on. After all, you are.

I've been here for almost three years now, but I didnt participate a lot, I was mostly reading except for the last month so I was not really worry about the illegal thing, of course a used common sense tried not to say detail of my self, and I have a vpn

From what I understand, yes. A fun little fact they don't tell you about the "To catch a predator" television show. If you have a well paid lawyer you can more than likely argue away those charges and have your case either dismissed, or you might spend a month or two in jail as well as serve some community service. However, if you're forced to take a public defender, you'll more than likely have to take a plea deal instead. Which means guaranteed jail time.

For my part, prison or not, I have a really good job so just got caught would ruin my life and my reputation probably like everydody else

Someone who can't afford to take care of an animal of their own is likely not able to afford a fancy high price lawyer. So there's a good chance that they'll be heavily fined, and spend at least a few months in jail, if not longer. This is for the U.S. and may vary from states to state. I'm not sure if it works this way in Canada or not?

I imagine that the states where it is illegal in the US it must be similar in Canada, but I think our prison sentences are much less severe than yours in any crime

 

[UR20Z]

You hit a nerve here!
Maybe my english is bad but I think If you made a effort you car understand what I was trying to said

Nerve or not, the sentence remains as meaningless now as when I first looked at it. Assuming you didn't get bit by autocorrect or similar, I can't get any meaning out of it that isn't gibberish. (And trust me - When it comes to typos or ESL, I can be fairly accurately described as "his mind is so open his brains done fell out" when being lenient about screwups - It's only when no amount of mental gyrations can turn a muffed sentence into something sensible that I bother commenting on it)

 

[knotarguing]

Nerve or not, the sentence remains as meaningless now as when I first looked at it. Assuming you didn't get bit by autocorrect or similar, I can't get any meaning out of it that isn't gibberish. (And trust me - When it comes to typos or ESL, I can be fairly accurately described as "his mind is so open his brains done fell out" when being lenient about screwups - It's only when no amount of mental gyrations can turn a muffed sentence into something sensible that I bother commenting on it)

I don't have to justify myself, but I will do it assuming that you are not in bad faith and that you may have some empathy
My birth language its french and I'am not really good with languages, I consider my english as 6,5 out of 10 but everything is relative
If I'am tired or if I've been reading a long text with a lot of detail, I can be out of concentration really soon
As ridiculous as it sounds it took me 25 minutes to write this small text for you and I'am getting already out of concentration
So about the doxxed thing, what I was trying to said, Is there here on this forum any person who will try to get information about you to be able to blackmail you?

 

[UR20Z]

I don't have to justify myself, but I will do it assuming that you are not in bad faith and that you may have some empathy
My birth language its french and I'am not really good with languages, I consider my english as 6,5 out of 10 but everything is relative
If I'am tired or if I've been reading a long text with a lot of detail, I can be out of concentration really soon
As ridiculous as it sounds it took me 25 minutes to write this small text for you and I'am getting already out of concentration
So about the doxxed thing, what I was trying to said, Is there here on this forum any person who will try to get information about you to be able to blackmail you?

Phrased that way, I *THINK* I get what you said in the post I questioned - I doubt that there's anybody trying to blackmail anyone - usually THAT concept involves some sort of "You do this (where "this" is often, but not always "give me some amount of money") and I won't tell anybody about that, (where "that" is usually something the victim doesn't want known)". In our particular circle of weirdness, more often - MUCH more often - doxxing is to wreck your world - to hell with any possible payoff - just fuck your world over 'cause the person doing it labors under the delusion that you're a fair target and you deserve it.

 

[knotarguing]

Phrased that way, I *THINK* I get what you said in the post I questioned - I doubt that there's anybody trying to blackmail anyone - usually THAT concept involves some sort of "You do this (where "this" is often, but not always "give me some amount of money") and I won't tell anybody about that, (where "that" is usually something the victim doesn't want known)". In our particular circle of weirdness, more often - MUCH more often - doxxing is to wreck your world - to hell with any possible payoff - just fuck your world over 'cause the person doing it labors under the delusion that you're a fair target and you deserve it.

I got it - Thanks

 

[sins.secret]

I am not sure I believe in the USA you can still chat (freedom of speech) but loading downloading material (videos) may put you in legal areas. I also think but not sure that tempting someone to perform a illegal act may be questionable. The thing of it is all States have they’re own laws.

 

[Roxank9]

Hello,

I did a little research on the forum and I couldn't find the answer to my question, I probably didn't use the right keywords because I'm sure the questions have probably already been asked here

I have tree questions, here is my first

Is it illegal to be on a forum like this? Can we be arrested for only having participated in a conversation in this forum, and if we can be arrested what would be the reason for the arrest -- I mean, as far as I know free speech still exists, aren't we allowed to talk about things we like?

Second question, countries that consider zoophilia illegal probably have more important things to do than try to arrest zoophiles, but are there many people who have been jailed?

Last question, do you feel like a criminal because you love animals?

By profession I am an English Barrister zoophilie's are very rarely charged any more, if they are charged , its a lesser offending public morals charge .
More common Over the last two years are incest cases .

 

[knotarguing]

By profession I am an English Barrister zoophilie's are very rarely charged any more, if they are charged , its a lesser offending public morals charge .
More common Over the last two years are incest cases .

Well... its still enough to ruined a life

 

[Sargeantcarter1999]

By profession I am an English Barrister zoophilie's are very rarely charged any more, if they are charged , its a lesser offending public morals charge .
More common Over the last two years are incest cases .

May I add, many animal rights enthusiasts are initiating and aiding legal cases in the name of stopping "abuse"

Regardless of the success/outcome of the criminal case, rarely, if ever has an individual come thru the ordeal unscathed.

Public reputations and careers destroyed seems to be the more common result.

 

[Roxank9]

I was having a quick look at the Database and over the last 5 years can only find one prosecution that went public in western europe.
As more and more study's on human /animal non verbal communication pop up , Its going to be far more difficult for animal rights activists to claim women +k9 is non consensual .
Remember all legislation against bestiality is based on Historic religious teaching and the so called moral codes that they claim derive , animal rights objections relatively new in historic terms and based in the main on none consent.

Many active and organised female groups see themselves as in the position of Homosexuals in the 60s in fact some in public positions are advocating for a more public profile to be taken , with quite a number making no secret of there lifestyle to family and friends .
A route i have taken .

 

[AdrienneTheCelt]

Regarding this thread's topic, I found a couple of interesting papers published in the Journal of the American Academy of Psychiatry and the Law. One linked bestiality to other crimes, and makes the assumption that more zoophiles are sexual offenders or guilty of domestic abuse. The other paper tends to refute these beliefs.

 

[Roxank9]

Regarding this thread's topic, I found a couple of interesting papers published in the Journal of the American Academy of Psychiatry and the Law. One linked bestiality to other crimes, and makes the assumption that more zoophiles are sexual offenders or guilty of domestic abuse. The other paper tends to refute these beliefs.

Most of the American studies are hardly studies as there sampling is so small , plus the studies based on inmates of penal institutions when peer reviewed if not discredited entirely for there methodology especially the use of rewards , are full of holes .
Real studies are few and far between and often shelved or abandoned as pressure is applied , very akin to the papers on homosexuality that never saw the light of day in the 50s

 

[CuriousDutchFrysianBoy]

I hope the law does not forbid to be on forums like this talking about these things.

 

[telllem]

Hello,

I did a little research on the forum and I couldn't find the answer to my question, I probably didn't use the right keywords because I'm sure the questions have probably already been asked here

I have tree questions, here is my first

Is it illegal to be on a forum like this? Can we be arrested for only having participated in a conversation in this forum, and if we can be arrested what would be the reason for the arrest -- I mean, as far as I know free speech still exists, aren't we allowed to talk about things we like?

Second question, countries that consider zoophilia illegal probably have more important things to do than try to arrest zoophiles, but are there many people who have been jailed?

Last question, do you feel like a criminal because you love animals?

If you just have an account lurking, very unlikely someone will care.

 

[Riotinthesheets2]

It depends entirely on your country or state or whatever. My time in the states I learned each state has it's own laws and even each city in that state so it can be confusing compared to other countries where the laws are the same no matter the city or laws that govern several countries like the EU. It also depends on what you say on these forums since it is in writing.

 

[Sumpup]

Good post. Answers are:
Depends
Depends
Sort of

But I don't feel like a hard core criminal. It feels like I'm smoking a joint under the bleachers on campus.
Technically that could be a felony too. But as long as no one gets hurt I don't have a moral opinion one way or the other.
Again good post.