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How hard is it really to find an owner willing to let you play?

QueerforDogs

QueerforDogs

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Hi all,
First post here, I really need to make a formal introduction post soon but this particular question has been at the forefront of my mind and I was curious to hear y’all’s stories.
Context: I’m 21/trans male, bisexual with a preference for human women and male dogs, engaged to my fiancée (nonbinary) who isn’t a zoo but is cool with me being one. My fiancé’s only stipulation upon finding out was/is that nothing sexual happens at home until we own our own house, because we absolutely cannot risk getting me caught (we currently have 1 roommate, so totally reasonable request imo).
Anyways, I originally came out to my fiancée as a zoo like a year back during one of our at home MDMA therapy sessions, and thank god they were cool with it because it helped me accept myself for the first time in my life too. This was when they originally told me they’d be fine with me playing with dogs at some point, just not at home until we move.
So come to this last weekend about a year later, during another MDMA trip, and I finally made the big ask: would they be okay with me finding a willing owner and letting their dog fuck me, in the meantime until we get a house (and our own dog)? And they said yes!

So now I’m kinda trying to sort out exactly how hard it’s going to be to find what I’m looking for. Especially given that I need to be exceptionally cautious, I work professionally with animals so if anyone finds out my life is extra turbo fucked (they aren’t even of specie(s) that I’m attracted to anyways, but I doubt that would matter).

Can y’all tell me your stories of getting connected with and meeting up with owners? How long did it take you to find someone you really clicked with/trusted and actually meet up? Did your gender/preferences/relationship make it harder or easier? One of my big concerns is that I’m not likely interested in playing around with the owners**, just a medium-large intact male dog. I might be okay with being watched but even then I kinda would prefer it to just be me and the dog, at least the first few times. That seems like kind of a hard ask I guess? like it feels awkward to just be like hey, can I fuck your dog but I don’t really wanna do anything but shake hands with you?
**Depending on the owner my fiancée and I might even be interested in fooling around with a person, but we really only mess with young (20-25) femme people and my fiancée has super selective attraction so while it’s possible the right female owner might also interest us, it’s super unlikely ?

TLDR; I wanna find an owner willing to let me (trans guy) get fucked by their dog but I don’t have any interest in being watched or sexually interacting with the owner themselves because I’m engaged and we don’t really do that... how do? Am I basically asking for a unicorn? ?

anyways sorry for the novel and mostly I just wanna hear your stories about how hard/easy it was for you to find an owner willing to let you play!
 
dartel said:
Don't! Animals are not sex toys to be passed around. If you're a zoo but don't have an animal then get one of your own to love and care for as a member of the family, even if it doesn't ever have an interest in engaging sexually with the weird bald monkey.
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Oh don’t get me wrong, I’m SUPER excited for us to get dog(s) both as a family member and for “other” reasons! We’re actually getting one next year, but intentionally of a breed I’m not attracted to for well, dog-pet-companion only purposes since we’re still renting. I’m just trying to find an outlet in the meantime, I’ve known I was a zoo even if I didn’t have the words for it since I was a young teen, and it may be another five, six years before we buy a house/live alone and I can safely get a dog(s) to actually play with, sexually. Closest I’ve ever been to a dog was when I gave a friend’s dog a handjob while everyone had left the house (also years ago) and I just want to go all the way without waiting another half decade ?
 
Pillar said:
As long as you're going to be creepy, it's going to be incredibly hard. Get that fixed and you might have some better luck.
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Which part of my post was creepy? ? I looked over it and can’t see the issue besides not wanting to engage with the owner(s) sexually. I’m autistic too so sometimes my typed words don’t come across right without the tone behind them. I mean I’m totally down to like, be friends with the owners and get to know them well beforehand, I love making new friends, I’m just not looking for any new humans in my bed right now, ya feel?
 
dartel said:
And just how genuine of a "friendship" could that be if from the onset it's little more than "I want you to learn you can trust me for the sole purpose of letting me fuck your family member"?
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Great point — I think I phrased that part of my post really poorly. I’m way too at risk bc of my job to do anything fast or sketchy, so if any of this comes to fruition it would be after a LONG period of getting to know the owner and the dog(s) and trusting them. IMO how we met isn’t really that relevant if we end up totally hitting it off. I can’t see myself trusting that kind of thing with someone I don’t, well, trust, and I can’t see that happening long term if we don’t click as human friends too, I’m too “out there” for a lot of people behaviorally to stay friends if we aren’t a good match. I’m not looking for a hookup type deal.

I guess a better way to phrase it might be, how often are owners willing to be just platonic buddies with someone but let them be sexual with their dog(s)? I’ve been lurking on the connections boards/forums and a lot of it seems like the people are fucking too which I’m just not looking for.
 
Yeah. You have to understand that the majority of people whom you are going to meet off the internet are either going to want to watch to get their jollies, or they are going to want to watch to make sure nothing bad happens to the dog. If you were to get into zoo social circles and make the right friends and earn their trust, that might not be required. That can take years however.
 
QueerforDogs said:
Great point — I think I phrased that part of my post really poorly. I’m way too at risk bc of my job to do anything fast or sketchy, so if any of this comes to fruition it would be after a LONG period of getting to know the owner and the dog(s) and trusting them. IMO how we met isn’t really that relevant if we end up totally hitting it off. I can’t see myself trusting that kind of thing with someone I don’t, well, trust, and I can’t see that happening long term if we don’t click as human friends too, I’m too “out there” for a lot of people behaviorally to stay friends if we aren’t a good match. I’m not looking for a hookup type deal.

I guess a better way to phrase it might be, how often are owners willing to be just platonic buddies with someone but let them be sexual with their dog(s)? I’ve been lurking on the connections boards/forums and a lot of it seems like the people are fucking too which I’m just not looking for.
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Are you lacking in self-awareness?

Here's what you sound like: "I want to be friends with someone who will let me fuck their dog."

That shit sounds creepy as hell.
 
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Lonewolf said:
Yeah. You have to understand that the majority of people whom you are going to meet off the internet are either going to want to watch to get their jollies, or they are going to want to watch to make sure nothing bad happens to the dog. If you were to get into zoo social circles and make the right friends and earn their trust, that might not be required. That can take years however.
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This makes total sense! Thank you. I have one zoo friend IRL but he’s basically in the same boat as me, if not worse lol - poor guy lives in an apartment and since he wants a husky, it’s definitely not gonna happen for a while for him either!

I’ve noticed the meetup boards seem to have occasional open public casual/PG events like meeting at parks and just kind of not advertising that they’re zoos, ie acting like a meetup of regular dog lovers (lol) and that kind of thing. Do you have any opinion on those? They seemed kinda both sketchy and not sketchy to me at the same time.... casually finding more zoo friends would be awesome but the thought of someone catching wind of the group while in public if someone acts like a dumbass is hella scary.
 
Pillar said:
Are you lacking in self-awareness?

Here's what you sound like: "I want to be friends with someone who will let me fuck their dog."

That shit sounds creepy as hell.
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I appreciate the constructive criticism. I really think I must be phrasing this badly and kind of put the cart before the horse in my first post. This is my first time even acknowledging this part of my sexuality with anyone outside my fiancé/one friend, so I’m still learning how to navigate this as a real world possibility in my own mind. I’m not trying to just approach anyone and be like, hey can your dog fuck me. I’d be forming friendships/casual bonds with anyone I even think to start talking to. I don’t see how it’s much different from trying to navigate a dating scene? Yeah, if someone has a dog, and I’m into it, and they’re cool with it, and we get to a place of trust after learning to know each other, then yeah, that would be awesome. If we don’t click or we end up being friends and I don’t do anything with their dog(s) that isn’t just “normal” platonic interactions, that’s cool too. I just, am trying to gauge how realistic it is to find someone who’s only looking to be friends, as far as the humans go. I guess it also doesn’t help that I’m also not familiar with trying to date humans I don’t already know, my fiancée and I have been an item since before I even had my driver’s license and I never had any relationships before them either. All the flings we’ve had have been sexual only with close (human, obvs) friends so that hasn’t helped much.
 
QueerforDogs said:
I’ve noticed the meetup boards seem to have occasional open public casual/PG events like meeting at parks and just kind of not advertising that they’re zoos, ie acting like a meetup of regular dog lovers (lol) and that kind of thing. Do you have any opinion on those? They seemed kinda both sketchy and not sketchy to me at the same time.... casually finding more zoo friends would be awesome but the thought of someone catching wind of the group while in public if someone acts like a dumbass is hella scary.
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Just because there's posts saying "hey let's do this" doesn't mean it EVER happens. 99.99% of the personals forum is shit that will never happen. Plus, animals being involved in anything casual is a stupidly bad idea for anything being arranged on a site like this. Here's a little thread you should peruse, animals should never even be mentioned till the trust is earned.

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dartel said:
Don't! Animals are not sex toys to be passed around. If you're a zoo but don't have an animal then get one of your own to love and care for as a member of the family, even if it doesn't ever have an interest in engaging sexually with the weird bald monkey.
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Just because you meet someone who is willing to share their animal with you does not mean you see them as only sex toys. I've met owners before who let me play with their dog but it wasn't until after talking and getting to know both the owner and details of the dog...I remember the first detail they ever told me about the dog and when I met them I used that detail to help the dog warm up to a stranger...when we met up I took the dog for a walk let the dog and myself bind before we eventually made love. Every animal I've ever been with I've had a connection with and bonded strongly with them, because they are not sex objects to me. I treat them all like if they were my own dogs and I always make sure they feel special .. something different and true when they meet me. Dogs mean the world to me and I reflect that when I meet any of them.
 
dartel said:
Just because there's posts saying "hey let's do this" doesn't mean it EVER happens. 99.99% of the personals forum is shit that will never happen. Plus, animals being involved in anything casual is a stupidly bad idea for anything being arranged on a site like this. Here's a little thread you should peruse, animals should never even be mentioned till the trust is earned.

Southflorida´s Security Advice and Tips (Communication/Pre-Meeting/Meeting)

Before Beastforum closed I managed to save his Security Advice and Tips. It´s a great source of informations that will help you stay safe if you decide to meet up with other zoos in the real world.... QUOTE (@ southflorida ) 1. NEVER COMMUNICATE OUTSIDE OF THE FORUM PM SYSTEM: by using other...
www.zoovilleforum.net www.zoovilleforum.net
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Thanks for the link! Will read. I kind of figured a lot of the stuff on the personals board seems like it’s BS, I guess it’s just wishful thinking because I’ve waited so long to even acknowledge this side of myself and although I will if I have to (sounds like it’s a probability) it makes me sad to think I might have to wait another half a decade to get to do stuff I’ve been pining for since puberty and finally don’t hate myself for wanting. I guess that’s just another reason to work my ass off on saving up for a house though!!

I did acknowledge in my original post that I might be asking for a unicorn with what I’m looking for, so it’s at least good to know that’s a pretty safe assumption!
 
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dartel said:
Just because there's posts saying "hey let's do this" doesn't mean it EVER happens. 99.99% of the personals forum is shit that will never happen. Plus, animals being involved in anything casual is a stupidly bad idea for anything being arranged on a site like this. Here's a little thread you should peruse, animals should never even be mentioned till the trust is earned.

Southflorida´s Security Advice and Tips (Communication/Pre-Meeting/Meeting)

Before Beastforum closed I managed to save his Security Advice and Tips. It´s a great source of informations that will help you stay safe if you decide to meet up with other zoos in the real world.... QUOTE (@ southflorida ) 1. NEVER COMMUNICATE OUTSIDE OF THE FORUM PM SYSTEM: by using other...
www.zoovilleforum.net www.zoovilleforum.net
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Just read it and that link was super helpful, thank you!
 
Pillar said:
Are you lacking in self-awareness?

Here's what you sound like: "I want to be friends with someone who will let me fuck their dog."

That shit sounds creepy as hell.
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Let me break it down for you. The reason it sounds creepy as hell: ok take a regular dating scenario. Let's say you have a crush on someone, you can ask for their families blessing. Acceptable right? Right. You got all these horned up fuck boiis trying to get human pussy or a dick in their ass on the first date, very few bat an eye. Some out there even befriending others to get access to their crush! Ya kinda creepy and rude, but it's not crossing a specie's barrier so whatever.

Ok with that said, you have a zoo in the same perdicament, but guess what, they cant ask to date someones dog, therefore normies have more right away when it comes to love in the grand scheme of things, way more options to find compatible partners than we do. Especially those of us who are Exclusive! To sum it up the typical bloke is privileged. Privileged to something that is only available to people attracted to other humans. Zoos are not allowed to love or have sex. We can't be with animals! especially not one we don't 'own'!! Its FORBIDDEN!! ? Are you aware how oppressive that is??? People out there with the right to date whomever they want telling us we are not entitled to something they take for granted! The only reason it's 'creepy' to you that this guy is desperate to lose his zoo-virginity is cultural conditioning. If he was saying he wants to lose his regular virginity or have a one night stand with a human even the responses would be different. There's no denying that.

I do agree he should get a dog of his own if he desires a romantic relationship with one, thats the safest and most reasonable solution, although he may get a dog that is uninterested in sex, there is a slight possibility that their bond won't supercede the average pet/owner connection (even with a human/human relationship compatibility varies) Also owning a dog may not be possible for some people, for various reasons. (Long work shifts, no pets allowed housing, etc) So if he wants to have sex with a willing partner that happens to be 'owned' by someone else, I don't see the big deal tbh, if the dog wants to hump him, there is no issue there! I mean really?!?

Humans have the annoying habit of wanting to delve into matters that don't concern them. If someone wants to have sex with an animal that decision is not one for the whole entire society to decide. It is between the parties involved. Real talk. As long as he respects the owner and said dog, kudos!! But we don't live in a fantasy world were the life of zoos is simple and fair. We also don't live in a world where zoos can befriend each other without the risk of getting caught and outted as "abusive" even though most instances of bestiality are mutual and harmless to the animal. Contrary to the common propaganda used to hide that truth! Again. One word. Oppression. So this comment is rather pointless to begin with.
 
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QueerforDogs said:
Hi all,
First post here, I really need to make a formal introduction post soon but this particular question has been at the forefront of my mind and I was curious to hear y’all’s stories.
Context: I’m 21/trans male, bisexual with a preference for human women and male dogs, engaged to my fiancée (nonbinary) who isn’t a zoo but is cool with me being one. My fiancé’s only stipulation upon finding out was/is that nothing sexual happens at home until we own our own house, because we absolutely cannot risk getting me caught (we currently have 1 roommate, so totally reasonable request imo).
Anyways, I originally came out to my fiancée as a zoo like a year back during one of our at home MDMA therapy sessions, and thank god they were cool with it because it helped me accept myself for the first time in my life too. This was when they originally told me they’d be fine with me playing with dogs at some point, just not at home until we move.
So come to this last weekend about a year later, during another MDMA trip, and I finally made the big ask: would they be okay with me finding a willing owner and letting their dog fuck me, in the meantime until we get a house (and our own dog)? And they said yes!

So now I’m kinda trying to sort out exactly how hard it’s going to be to find what I’m looking for. Especially given that I need to be exceptionally cautious, I work professionally with animals so if anyone finds out my life is extra turbo fucked (they aren’t even of specie(s) that I’m attracted to anyways, but I doubt that would matter).

Can y’all tell me your stories of getting connected with and meeting up with owners? How long did it take you to find someone you really clicked with/trusted and actually meet up? Did your gender/preferences/relationship make it harder or easier? One of my big concerns is that I’m not likely interested in playing around with the owners**, just a medium-large intact male dog. I might be okay with being watched but even then I kinda would prefer it to just be me and the dog, at least the first few times. That seems like kind of a hard ask I guess? like it feels awkward to just be like hey, can I fuck your dog but I don’t really wanna do anything but shake hands with you?
**Depending on the owner my fiancée and I might even be interested in fooling around with a person, but we really only mess with young (20-25) femme people and my fiancée has super selective attraction so while it’s possible the right female owner might also interest us, it’s super unlikely ?

TLDR; I wanna find an owner willing to let me (trans guy) get fucked by their dog but I don’t have any interest in being watched or sexually interacting with the owner themselves because I’m engaged and we don’t really do that... how do? Am I basically asking for a unicorn? ?

anyways sorry for the novel and mostly I just wanna hear your stories about how hard/easy it was for you to find an owner willing to let you play!
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To answer your question first, it is super extremely unlikely that you will get what you desire in the next years.

I also agree with @Pillar, it is kind of creepy. Look, you've written that you and your fiancée can actually have a dog next year and plan on getting one (and I wish you'll three make a nice family :)), but you will deliberately choose a dog whom you will not be sexual with, because you are afraid that you would get into professional (and legal?) trouble with your own dog in your own rented apartment. Yet you wish that a complete stranger trusts and helps you with said illegal activity by handing you their four-legged buddy/lover/partner over for a sex session? You want someone else to take a big risk for themselves and their animal for you that you wouldn't take with your own dog. Why do you think would they do that?

While I think that your drug consumption is mainly your business, I've got to say that it adds to the creepy impression and is one reason more to stay away. You may be well meaning, but drugs alter your ability to act responsibly.
 
purely hypothetical question: would you approach a "normal" couple and go "hey, can i be friends with you and fuck your partner?"?
 
nekdoneco123 said:
purely hypothetical question: would you approach a "normal" couple and go "hey, can i be friends with you and fuck your partner?"?
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Unfortunately, in this day and age the all too often answer to that question is yes. People are pigs and the tinders and grindrs and everything else have made it far worse than even the free love 60s ever were.
 
dartel said:
Unfortunately, in this day and age the all too often answer to that question is yes. People are pigs and the tinders and grindrs and everything else have made it far worse than even the free love 60s ever were.
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Worse? Shit, I'd say it made it better!
 
nekdoneco123 said:
purely hypothetical question: would you approach a "normal" couple and go "hey, can i be friends with you and fuck your partner?"?
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No I would not because I'm not into people. But there's others who are into swinging and would say yes. As for zoo couples, I understand that they are a significant other to us but dogs don't have the same reasoning as we do about sex. Even within their own species. What I mean is they would likely mount another person/animal if presented the opportunity to and it doesn't mean they love any less. Now am I saying I would personally allow my own dog to have sex with someone else? That answer is unclear, honestly. He's never shown much interest besides the occasional handjob, but if I saw that he was attracted to someone else that was zoo I'd consider it. But like your response, that remains purely hypothetical
 
dartel said:
And just how genuine of a "friendship" could that be if from the onset it's little more than "I want you to learn you can trust me for the sole purpose of letting me fuck your family member"?
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If you have no idea why you sound like the creepiest of the creepy...I have nothing for you. I have a deep bond and connection with my German Shepard. Letting someone ‘fool around’ with him just to get off is total yuck.

good luck, but I doubt you’ll find anyone here that will support you...
 
AriesAngyl said:
If you have no idea why you sound like the creepiest of the creepy...I have nothing for you. I have a deep bond and connection with my German Shepard. Letting someone ‘fool around’ with him just to get off is total yuck.

good luck, but I doubt you’ll find anyone here that will support you...
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Were you quoting that to agree with me? Cause I most certainly was not saying it'd be ok to build a "friendship" just to get to the animal.
 
dartel said:
Were you quoting that to agree with me? Cause I most certainly was not saying it'd be ok to build a "friendship" just to get to the animal.
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Yes sorry... lol. I was clumsy with the reply. I mean the entire concept the original poster had is the creepiest of the creepy.

i just think the entire idea of setting up a meet with someone to play with thier dog is creepy. I could never imagine doing that.
 
Wow... Way to bag on the new guy/gal! I think you will find people are very protective/passionate about their 4-legged lover, but NOT ALL ARE. However, as in any social/sexual interaction, you have to consider what you are offering - i.e. what's in it for them? Some people like to watch, either our of concern for their animals or to get their rocks off, some want to participate, some might do it out of genuine friendship, and some will do it to use you or take advantage in some way. Those that do it out of purely friendship are few and far between, and those friendships take time and sincerity to cultivate. Most likely, if you find someone to share with you in the way you have stated, you are going to find someone who is going to use you in some fashion, doesn't care for their animal, and might put you in danger.

My best advice is to get on the chat here, talk about who you are, what you feel, what you're going through and reach out to make genuine friendships. Don't forget to LISTEN.... LOTS. Most likely, you will have better luck waiting until the situation is right for you to get your own dog. This is BY FAR the best situation for you and your dog! You are young... don't be so impatient!

And leave drugs out of the conversation... It cheapens the discourse and brings an element some won't appreciate (and others will try to exploit!)

Good luck!
 
Ughh, drugs and gender identity crisis.

Sorry, but I highly recommend you to first get yourself together and the drugs out off your life. After that, you are arround 25ish.

Than ask yourself and your partner again if it's still okay and than, get your own dog.
 
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