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How do you justify the animal "abuse" to something thats erotic.

Having a hard time justifying the "abuse" as something that turns me on.
Like, I get so hard and love it when I watch zoo porn. But afterwards I'm struck with the feeling of ; that poor dog.

How do you guys and girls make it right in your head?

This isn't a negative question, just an honest one.

Edit: by abuse, I mean the sex part, not any actual abuse.
 
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Pretty simple. If you are abusing a dog you don’t deserve to have one. And that’s censoring myself because I would get banned for saying what I really think should happen animal abusers.
Thanks for your response.
I refer to the sexual abuse, rather than anything we would consider physical or mental abuse.

Does that help you answer the question?
 
I'm sorry, I think I've mis communicated. I'm talking about; how do you justify having sex with animals, when they can't consent.
Again, this isn't a negative thing. I'm on your side here...
 
Whoa, let's all just calm down, please. The guy is just having trouble with his feelings. He's probably been taught that sex with animals is abuse par definition. It isn't, and we can talk about that.
So, you want to know how we deal with the notion that sex is abuse. Well, it is not. Animals can consent, and frequently not only consent but demand it. You should see my bitch when in heat, she is craving for being rubbed in her lady parts. Imean really insistent.
 
Whoa, let's all just calm down, please. The guy is just having trouble with his feelings. He's probably been taught that sex with animals is abuse par definition. It isn't, and we can talk about that.
So, you want to know how we deal with the notion that sex is abuse. Well, it is not. Animals can consent, and frequently not only consent but demand it. You should see my bitch when in heat, she is craving for being rubbed in her lady parts. Imean really insistent.
if he read the rules he would have answered part of this already before posting it. There are also other threads on the topic of justifying your feelings, and coping with society’s standards
 
I think I have the answer. (From redditt)
Consent is a human condition we created to align with our social constructs. Animals don't have consent, because they don't have the mental capacity to know what consent is.

In the animal world, it is acting on needs/wants rather than adjusting to a human social contruct.

A dog might not consent, but he can express "want". And that's what we go off, and how it's justified in our heads.

Anyone want to pick that apart? Please!?
 
I think I have the answer. (From redditt)
Consent is a human condition we created to align with our social constructs. Animals don't have consent, because they don't have the mental capacity to know what consent is.

In the animal world, it is acting on needs/wants rather than adjusting to a human social contruct.

A dog might not consent, but he can express "want". And that's what we go off, and how it's justified in our heads.

Anyone want to pick that apart? Please!?
I don't know about "constructs", but your post made me think that consent, by its very wording, means someone allowing something. There is no lust or want in the word.
Picture a woman wanting sex. To use the word consent in that context means she does not actually want it, rather she puts up with it.
Maybe that is why "consent" is so difficult when talking about animals? It does not take into account that may want it and like it.
 
Well it's difficult to explain really in a normal relationship between people there is boundaries that we are able to set verbally and if said boundaries are crossed things usually end badly. It's not to different If I put my mind to it. We build a trusting relationship with the animal in question if you choose to make advances of sexual nature and the animal shows refusal or resistance in any way wether it be tucking of the tail attempt to escape your presence cowering or in cases where you're dumb enough to keep pushing your luck the animal will lash out. If the animal is horny and consenting it will probably be hitting on you after you have made an initial advance. Basically if the animal seems uncomfortable with the situation then stop and revaluate what kind of relationship your animal wants with you. But if it's showing no signs of destress and making advances towards you then that's the closest thing to consensual that I can come up with. If im wrong plz correct me cause I want to grow as a person not cower in my own understanding.
 
First of all animals can consent. But their way of communicating that is not saying "Yes please have sex with me." accompanied with a written and verified form so you can not sue each other 25 years later.
Animals communicate using body language and a limited set of vocalizations.
A dog might not consent, but he can express "want".
How is that different from a consent? At the moment the animal wants something and is willing to receive it, the animal is consenting to it. For example if a horny dog mounts a female dog out of heat, he is going to get shaken off and yelled in his face by a pissed off female dog. That is a female dog expressing not-consent.
If the same dog does that in heat and the female decides that this dog can have sex with her, she is actually actively going to help him get things in the right place. That is a female dog expressing consent.

If consent works between the animals themselves, you can extend that concept to humans as well.
If a human understands the same body language, you can understand when an animal wants to have sex with you and therefore you have the animal's consent. But at the same time if you attempt that without consent, you are going to get yelled in the face and since you are not fast enough, you might get bitten.

If you have sex with your girlfriend, do you ask her every single time: "Do you want to have sex with me?" and do you get her verbal consent every time? Or does it rather work based on body language and mutual understanding of what is going to happen and you do not really need to clearly verbally express your need (that is what being horny is) and the consent is understood mutually from the behavior?
 
Thank you for all your comments! It's great to hear other people's thought on this.
I don't think I'm past the mental block, but definitely getting there :)
 
So let’s back up - this guy didn’t say he felt guilty or had a guilty conscious toward himself or what he was doing.

He said “justify abuse” and posted in a fetish thread.
 
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