Geldings intercoursing with Mares, good or bad?

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I heard conflicting views/arguments about geldings that have intercourse with mares.
Is it good or bad for them? (Physically and psychologically)

IMHO I believe they have fun doing it, otherwise they wouldn't do it.

I don't know if i can view, what i found online, as non prejudiced,
Is someone more experienced with this matter and would like to share his views?

Thank you
 
Assuming he doesn't get kicked/bitten/etc 'cause he kept on trying with a mare who told him "buzz off, asshole!", is it physically or psychologically damaging to a stallion when he mates a mare?

Is it physically or psychologically damaging for *YOU* to have sex with a woman? (assuming she's not hostile to the idea and trying to rip your junk off after you've failed to take her "no" as an answer, with the added assumptions that (1) you're male and (2) you're inclined to and capable of functioning with a human female)

Is it physically or psychologically harmful to a male black widow spider to... <turns and looks off stage> Excuse me? What's that you're saying? What do you mean, bad idea? Oh... you're trying to remind me that male black widow spiders tend to get eaten as part of the mating process? Guess you're right - bad example! <rewind, rewind, rewind, erase, erase, erase> <turns back to the audience> Forget that last one!

Think about it, dude - The only difference between a stallion and a gelding is the stallion still has his balls, which in turn means that he's pretty much guaranteed to have a much higher sex drive than a gelding, who, since somebody has lopped his balls off, USUALLY has little or no sex drive at all. With that in mind, what odd way of thinking makes it possible for you to imagine that he'd be "damaged" if a mare sweet-talks him into heading out behind the barn for a quick game of hide-the-salami?
 
The problem of this is more the female part of this unusual gathering. Most mare owners aren't quite happy if a gelding screws their mares as this can result in back problems and biting marks on the withers. Another problem are the hygenie factors, as a geldings penis usually isn't as well cleaned as the penis of a breeding stallion, giving a chance for an infection. For the gelding it's propably more of a welcome amusement. I can imagine mating is even less stressfull for a gelding, than for a stallion.
 
I've personally witnessed some *INCREDIBLY FILTHY* stallions cover mares - I'm talking studs with literal chunks of crud falling off their junk when they extend. But I have yet to encounter a mare that had any significant problem from being covered by them. Yeah, I know - why take the chance, and all that, and I agree in principle, but my point is that a typical healthy mare's vagina will take a nearly unbelievable amount of just-plain-filth without it causing any significant problem - wonder how many of the mustangs in Nevada/Utah/etc have somebody cleaning the lead stallion's dong for him come breeding season? Too many people make the mistake of trying to roll a horse in bubble-wrap, stuff it into a padded box, and put a ring of armed guards around it due to the mistaken idea that they're somehow fragile... (and no, I'm not saying they can't be fragile - for such tough beasts, there are an unbelievably huge number of ways to fuck them up permanently - if not outright kill them - that seem so minor as not even be worth calling "trivial" until you see it happen.)
 
sizzlestud said:
Ive been around gelded mules that breed mares all summer long. They were all fine. They enjoy sex for recreation just like us humans.
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You're not alone. My current situation includes a cut mule and a pony mare - When she comes in, he keeps TRYING to get some, and she keeps encouraging him, but he just can't seem to figure out the mechanics of "Tab A into Slot B". It'd be comical if it wasn't so obvious that they both want it so bad that the frustration level has to be off the scale for both of them. I'd assist, but with the cameras we've got all over the place, well... I'm sure you can see the difficulties.
 
UR20Z said:
You're not alone. My current situation includes a cut mule and a pony mare - When she comes in, he keeps TRYING to get some, and she keeps encouraging him, but he just can't seem to figure out the mechanics of "Tab A into Slot B". It'd be comical if it wasn't so obvious that they both want it so bad that the frustration level has to be off the scale for both of them. I'd assist, but with the cameras we've got all over the place, well... I'm sure you can see the difficulties.
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Awww, poor lovers ? the mules i was around had no trouble hitting the target. They had some pretty massive equipment also. I have found that most john mules, even when gelded, have a high sex drive.
 
Horses are strange creatures when it comes to durability, they can walk right into a T post and push it over to get to a foal on the other side of the fence giving themselves a 6 inch deep wound, and be fairly fine, but as soon as you hurt them in the intestinal tract or legs, they have serious problems.

So far as dirt and bacteria from oil buildups, it's an issue so far as it isn't very clean, but also the mare secretes fluids that washes away debris from in their tract. Not that it's a great idea to send a bunch of dirt and bacteria into them, but they will probably be fine, this also tends to wash the stallion off and then the problem is not repeated as much. The stallion should probably get a bath first, but it's not likely to cause a major veterinary disaster if they aren't.

@sizzlestud I keep trying to find the study, and can't remember where it is, but in regards to the question of equine pleasure, it was noted that horses also experience an afterglow sleepiness. This has resulted in some stallions falling asleep on top of the mare.
 
Thank you very much for your replies, i understand that you all think it's recreational and fun for everyone involved.

Any official info/documents would be appreciated.

@UR20Z
"... what odd way of thinking makes it possible for you to imagine that he'd ..."
It's not me, it's someone else, i haven't written that very precise, sorry. And ? are weeeeiiird :p

@LeftFilly
If you find that study, can you post the link? Thank you
 
LeftFilly said:
Horses are strange creatures when it comes to durability, they can walk right into a T post and push it over to get to a foal on the other side of the fence giving themselves a 6 inch deep wound, and be fairly fine, but as soon as you hurt them in the intestinal tract or legs, they have serious problems.

So far as dirt and bacteria from oil buildups, it's an issue so far as it isn't very clean, but also the mare secretes fluids that washes away debris from in their tract. Not that it's a great idea to send a bunch of dirt and bacteria into them, but they will probably be fine, this also tends to wash the stallion off and then the problem is not repeated as much. The stallion should probably get a bath first, but it's not likely to cause a major veterinary disaster if they aren't.

@sizzlestud I keep trying to find the study, and can't remember where it is, but in regards to the question of equine pleasure, it was noted that horses also experience an afterglow sleepiness. This has resulted in some stallions falling asleep on top of the mare.
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I know my mare glows afterwords, no study to prove it is needed. My heart melts when she gets those dreamy eyes ?
 
@sizzlestud So I did an extensive search trying to find my original source for the observation I noticed, sadly I can't recall where the original source was. It might have been an anecdote rather than in a science paper.

What I did find however was an equivalent paper on the impacts of equine masturbation and the apparent pleasure derived thereby: http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.488.1679&rep=rep1&type=pdf

Sorry this took so long to get back on, these papers are hard to find and piece together in something recorded into an actual paper.

Despite the fact that each of the individual components of how to arrange a study on equine preferences with regards to sexual experience exist via the equine facial coding system, the three button preference choice test, and a plethora of studies on equine sexual behavior in regards to optimization of stallions and mares for breeding....... There remains no entirely specific studies on the sexual preferences of equines in terms of actually having a choice to make in the matter outside of studies on wild horses.

Nevertheless, I am inclined to believe the anecdotal evidence of increased sleepiness of horses after sexual activity. If anyone can find one supporting this claim please send it to me as I would like to add it to the library I've started in the Animal Cognition and Welfare Research group on Zooville.
 
as geldings usually say they have less desire ...

but I can assure you from direct experience that the only one who managed to try to mount my mare (and succeeding not only once ...) without taking kicks, bites, or being chased for half the field was a gelding, even if to tell the truth someone then chased him ... his white owner in the face and desperate.

apart from the next time that my mare did not go into heat (I bleached them a little too XD) but it was a false alarm, the two continued to be together without problems, indeed, to be honest, given that she was the only one who gave it to her without problems, she became his bodyguard ... when my mare was the dirty icon in front of the stallion, he came and took her away (I'm not kidding).

apart from that mine rejected every single male who managed even to put his nose under his tail. (even if it was she who put it in his face ...)

and that male I know that after our transfer (in one of the many, but the only one in which they separated) he did not have too many problems to do the same with another pair of mares (mother and daughter)
 
Kind of makes me wonder if there's an incentive to vasectomize stallions instead of outright castrating them.
 
Stallions CAN be worked with - no question. Over the years, I've known and worked with several that were VERY polite and well behaved. However, my years spent working in barns have convinced me that the majority of stallions would be better off as geldings. Without a solid working partnership, a stallion is just plain too much horse for most folks to cope with. That includes working with 'em on the ground. Most folk here in the USA do a real good job of looking like they're TRYING to get the stallion to go psycho - Always segregated, unless it's breeding time, often cooped up for extended periods because of that, all too often fed so high they can't help but be wired - Izzit any wonder many of them I've had to deal with have had issues? Any of umpteen stall vices, snappy or kicky, cribbers, stall weavers, downright hostile - the list goes on?

Based on extensive hands-on experience, I have to say that gelding a horse would be more of a kindness in most cases. Geldings can at least go out and be horses with other horses. Stallions too often never have any contact with another horse except for quickies in the breeding shed, and with some outfits, not even then. Can you say "A.V." and "A.I.", boys and girls? Sure. I knew ya could.

And people wonder why their stallions are half-or-more crazy so often...

Having the hormones "in play", so to speak, defeats the main reason for gelding in horses. A gelding is MUCH easier to deal with in almost every way, and can actually live as a horse, rather than some sort of stuck-in-a-box sperm dispenser driven insane by the isolation and raging hormones. No... If you want a horse sterilized, take his balls clean. No vasectomy - at least in general. I have seen a few cases where a stud and his studly behaviors is a good thing (teasers, for instance) but something about him says he shouldn't be used as a breeder, thus a vasectomy rather than a castration was a viable option, but for the most part, if you want him sterile, go all the way and let him be the herd animal he is.
 
Horses above all else need social contact to be happy. They aren't horribly picky where that social contact comes from, but it must exist. Isolation is the worst sort of torture for them. Far too many horses spend their lives in a little box stall that's barely big enough to walk circles in with precisely nothing to do, see or interact with. They follow along with the wishes of their owners for purposes that make no sense to them, while dealing with control freaks who don't understand basic intelligence but want something to take care of.

@UR20Z In my opinion, most horses living in common conditions are crazy in some sense, they either are adapted to being utterly passive and immobile, or are bored out of their minds and want to do anything other than sit around for a few more days. This is a problem with common conditions people put horses in, not a problem with horses. While your logic is fine in concluding this would be probably be better for most stallions to be gelded, I feel like one could keep extending this logic all the way to saying the optimal solution for horses is to turn into static plush toys or have them live in a pokeball up until something eventful happens, such that they are basically just statues whenever you aren't interacting with them.

or people could get wiser about horse management and use pastures and provide toys.
 
LeftFilly said:
Horses above all else need social contact to be happy. They aren't horribly picky where that social contact comes from, but it must exist. Isolation is the worst sort of torture for them. Far too many horses spend their lives in a little box stall that's barely big enough to walk circles in with precisely nothing to do, see or interact with. They follow along with the wishes of their owners for purposes that make no sense to them, while dealing with control freaks who don't understand basic intelligence but want something to take care of.

@UR20Z In my opinion, most horses living in common conditions are crazy in some sense, they either are adapted to being utterly passive and immobile, or are bored out of their minds and want to do anything other than sit around for a few more days. This is a problem with common conditions people put horses in, not a problem with horses. While your logic is fine in concluding this would be probably be better for most stallions to be gelded, I feel like one could keep extending this logic all the way to saying the optimal solution for horses is to turn into static plush toys or have them live in a pokeball up until something eventful happens, such that they are basically just statues whenever you aren't interacting with them.

or people could get wiser about horse management and use pastures and provide toys.
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Can't present much of an "against" argument to that.

But there's the ideal that (most) would prefer, and then there's the reality that (most) have to work within. Either that, or not have anybody but the "landed gentry" having horses at all.

My girls - mother and daughter - lived "out and about" 24/7/365 - A big turnout area (big enough to actually maintain grazable grass except in the very highest-traffic areas - right at the stall doors, at the water tank, and at the entry gate) connected to what used to be a six-stall shedrow, with all the doors pinned open and the dividers removed. As often as not, they'd be seen outside munching, rolling, standing there with their lower lips drooping as they snoozed, sprawled out flat sleeping, or just wandering around "being horses", regardless of the weather. They'd go inside for grain-time, and when it was *REALLY* miserable (cold and windy, with rain that was trying to qualify as sleet would drive them inside, but mostly, they'd just stay out in whatever the weather happened to be) but otherwise, they spent so much of their time outside being horses that "cleaning stalls" for them was a "spend 5 minutes pulling out 4-5 piles of road-apples once or twice a week" thing.

They were the exception, though. In the majority of cases, it's a 12x12 (or smaller...) box, 4-5 hours a day (if they get that long) in a too-small turnout that might have a few straggling blades of grass left in it, and an hour or two a week of being worked in an arena.

Is it any wonder that so many of them are half-crazed?
 
UR20Z said:
Can't present much of an "against" argument to that.

But there's the ideal that (most) would prefer, and then there's the reality that (most) have to work within. Either that, or not have anybody but the "landed gentry" having horses at all.

My girls - mother and daughter - lived "out and about" 24/7/365 - A big turnout area (big enough to actually maintain grazable grass except in the very highest-traffic areas - right at the stall doors, at the water tank, and at the entry gate) connected to what used to be a six-stall shedrow, with all the doors pinned open and the dividers removed. As often as not, they'd be seen outside munching, rolling, standing there with their lower lips drooping as they snoozed, sprawled out flat sleeping, or just wandering around "being horses", regardless of the weather. They'd go inside for grain-time, and when it was *REALLY* miserable (cold and windy, with rain that was trying to qualify as sleet would drive them inside, but mostly, they'd just stay out in whatever the weather happened to be) but otherwise, they spent so much of their time outside being horses that "cleaning stalls" for them was a "spend 5 minutes pulling out 4-5 piles of road-apples once or twice a week" thing.

They were the exception, though. In the majority of cases, it's a 12x12 (or smaller...) box, 4-5 hours a day (if they get that long) in a too-small turnout that might have a few straggling blades of grass left in it, and an hour or two a week of being worked in an arena.

Is it any wonder that so many of them are half-crazed?
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Looks like i have to quote Thanos: Reality is often disappointing.

If you look at the living conditions of the majority of animals, you will see how many of them live a life in poor conditions and little space. Even the free nature is by far not the holy grail. You have freedom, but for the price of mostly being hungry, burning in the fucking sun, deseases and the predatory shit, that evolved because of that, on this planet. Animals in 3rd world countries live often in harsh conditions, having to work much, rough acting of their owners, tiny spaces, high traffic dangers, etc, while most of the 1st world animals dont know that problems, but have boredom and little space. There are only a few of a few animals with all luxuries and overwhelming mostly this is correlating with the amount of money their owners have. The exact same goes for humans. The most live a life in poverty and hard work every day, living in corrugated iron huts. And even in first world countries most people arent rich and live in small houses or flats. The same goes for most animals. At least they have a much higher supply and better medical care. Im sure we have tons of potential for improvements
 
DeezHorseNuts said:
Looks like i have to quote Thanos: Reality is often disappointing.

If you look at the living conditions of the majority of animals, you will see how many of them live a life in poor conditions and little space. Even the free nature is by far not the holy grail. You have freedom, but for the price of mostly being hungry, burning in the fucking sun, deseases and the predatory shit, that evolved because of that, on this planet. Animals in 3rd world countries live often in harsh conditions, having to work much, rough acting of their owners, tiny spaces, high traffic dangers, etc, while most of the 1st world animals dont know that problems, but have boredom and little space. There are only a few of a few animals with all luxuries and overwhelming mostly this is correlating with the amount of money their owners have. The exact same goes for humans. The most live a life in poverty and hard work every day, living in corrugated iron huts. And even in first world countries most people arent rich and live in small houses or flats. The same goes for most animals. At least they have a much higher supply and better medical care. Im sure we have tons of potential for improvements
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It seems to me like the things that tie these together are capitalism, which abuses both humans and animals the same way...
This isn't the politics chat though so let's leave it at that or literally every thread on Zooville will become a repeating loop.
 
If I discovered a gelding topping a mare or even persisting in the attempt for long, I'd be expecting a possible "proud cut" a horse that is still the owner of an undescended testicle. If the Vet doesnt get them both, and thats not uncommon, the horse is still capable. Vets arent prone to repeating surgeries as " warranty" work. Cant blame them, but its a issue that needs resolution. if youre wkrking with blood horses, the problem is obvious, but a secret stud in among the mares us a problem for any stable worker, or horse raiser. Durinv the Rodeo season, Im around a LOT of horses and mules. One overly rambunctious critter can complicate a LOT of lives in a hurry...probably a gelding trying to perform still has a hormonal feed in the system, but after allowing time for the surgery to "take "....be aware there could be another issue. Would sex hurt a gelding? No more than another critter with the complete package.
 
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MareButtUddrrLovrr said:
Kind of makes me wonder if there's an incentive to vasectomize stallions instead of outright castrating them.
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Nope....Stallions are usually castrated as much for the betterment of behavior and temperament as for birth control. A vasectomy isnt of much use to most horse owners
 
Kaksoipistededede said:
I heard conflicting views/arguments about geldings that have intercourse with mares.
Is it good or bad for them? (Physically and psychologically)

IMHO I believe they have fun doing it, otherwise they wouldn't do it.

I don't know if i can view, what i found online, as non prejudiced,
Is someone more experienced with this matter and would like to share his views?

Thank you
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At the place where I work, we have worried occasionally about the proudies fucking the mares that live in their paddocks, but the mares seem to like it.

The proudies are still not as headstrong as the mares, actually. Apparently, estrogen is as effective of a steroid as testosterone, and it makes the mares act like domineering harridans. There is one that will bang on her stall door and whinny angrily when she doesn't have as much hay as she wants or if her hay is not fresh enough for her taste. She is just never completely placid and satisfied. They are SO BOSSY. Around mares, you feel like you are constantly apologizing because you have invariably done something to offend their delicate sensibilities. Their opinion is that if they don't know what you've done wrong, then you should...or else.

Testosterone's effects are more kinetic, though, so you're apt to get kicked with a vasectomized stallion if you don't know what you are doing. I MIGHT have the ability to work with stallions, but I am untested on this. I have a feeling that stallions and proudies are two different ball games.

In fact, one of our more virile proudies (we keep a cute pony mare in his paddock, and he fucks her brains out. There is nothing we can do about it: she escapes and tries to get back in if we try to separate her from him), well, he is kind of dangerous to try to turn out. When you try to turn him out, he'll yank himself away from you before you can get his halter off because he doesn't like being dominated. The only way I'll turn him out is by reserving part of his feed for leading him out and keeping him distracted while I pull off his halter. I once tried leading him out with just food, and that worked best of all, except that I would get into trouble if I were caught doing that. If stallions tend to be like that or worse, then I have a feeling that I would end up with at least one shoulder dislocation trying to deal with them. He is virile but not big. An uncut draft horse would probably require special training.

Ball games...
 
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This is an interesting discussion! Seems like we have about three different topics here:

Is it safe for geldings to breed mares? Behavior wise as long as the mare is receptive and the gelding is not violent then why not? On the other hand not all mares will want a gelding and they should not be forced to put up with that. Also in a mixed herd you may run into fighting issues if not everybody in the herd is ok with that gelding breeding that mare. Some mares wont let other mares breed even when they don't want bred themselves. Also the gelding might fight over the mares. Some might say this is just nature but that is not acceptable to me. In nature herds can splinter and exist apart from one another. In captivity they are forced to coexist. Let me tell you it is a sad sad thing to have to euthanize a horse because he/she got his leg broken in a fight while you were just letting nature run it course. In short, as long as everyone involved is happy with the situation (including other herd mates) then let them be happy.

Should stallions or gelding be washed prior to breeding? Probably a good idea at least for the initial get together. Sure everyone has seen a dirty stallion penetrate a dirty mare and nothing bad happened. But bad things do and can happen. It is in our horses best interests to have good hygiene. STDs do exists in horses as do urinary tract infections and other various infections. Mares do have a built in rinsing mechanism but that is not always enough to keep them safe. I knew a lovely old stud horse who died last year because his owners wanted stallions but didn't want to have to ever touch his penis. And I have seen more than one broodmare with an infection cause by breeding with a dirty boy. It can be a life threatening situation. Nature does a lot of thing but nature is also a harsh bitch, especially with all the variables introduces in domestication. As for wild horses... They die all the time because of "nature". I don't know about you but I want my horses to live long happy healthy lives. I should add that I reckon mares should get an external wash too from time to time. If my stallion has clean shiny dong and he rubs it up against her dirty rear end then he has just introduced badness inside her and potentially inside himself. They probably don't need to be clean before every time they breed but I believe you should monitor their hygiene and keep them safe. One last thing in breeding hygiene. I was a groom for this old pasture bred stud. I kept him clean for breeding but one day he chased a mare through a briar thicket with an erection. Fortunately I witnessed this and acted fast. I caught him before he was able to breed the mare. Sure enough he had thorns all in his penis. He was in pain but his sex drive still had him trying to breed this mare. What do you imagine would have happened if he had penetrated her with those thorns stuck in him? Let me tell you he sure appreciated me being his groom that day.

Horses kept in small spaces. In a perfect world, the more room the better. That being said I have seen plenty of happy healthy horses living in small spaces. I have seen plenty of horses that were driven crazy by it too but there are other factors that were involved. People talk about their horses standing out in all weather. Well my own horses and many others hate being out in the weather most of the time. I know this because of their attitudes and given the choice they retreat to their barn. I know horses that love their turnout time but after a couple hours insist on going back inside. Horses are probably the most lazy athletes on the planet. Even with hudreds of acres to run on they spent most of their day at a stand still or a very slow walk. Freedom and exercise is very important but that does not mean a horse can not be happy living in a barn as long as you provide them with quality care. Turnout with enough room to run and play a little, exercise through riding or playing on the ground, clean living conditions and all the other things involved in good horse care make for sane happy horses. Probably one of the most important things is a social life. They should have other horses to interact with and be friends with. Even if it is just over a stall wall, they still need other horses. My stallion, gelding and mare all have to share the same paddock and the stallion can not be out with the mare because she is too old to be getting pregnant and I don't want/can't afford a baby right now. Plus she is blind these days but that is another story. So gelding and mare go out together and then stallion and gelding go out together. Not all stallions can be out with all gelding but mine can at least under supervision. If I cant supervise their together time then they go out separate. However the stallion and gelding live next to each other in the barn. They are separated by a half wall and they can see and interact with each other. As for the stallion and the mare, I do things with them so they can be together without her getting pregnant. When she is not in heat I take the stallion out with her and let them eat hay together and just generally be near each other while I am there. When she is in heat I masturbate him while he teases with her over the wall. It keeps him pretty content. Also I am buying him an AV this year so he can have even more fun. I had been letting him breed her with a horse condom designed for collecting sperm but it broke one time and she did not take but she could have so I can not risk that happening anymore. Anyway, point is happy horses can and do exist in smaller spaces, it is just more work to keep them happy than if you had a huge pasture for them to roam in.

Also horses obviously enjoy sex.
 
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I've been around horses all my life in 50 some years I have never seen a gelding try and mount a mare let alone a mare even allowing him to try, not saying it doesn't happen but I have never seen it. The old saying goes, when you take the balls off the mind goes from ass to grass.
 
Brassnut said:
I've been around horses all my life in 50 some years I have never seen a gelding try and mount a mare let alone a mare even allowing him to try, not saying it doesn't happen but I have never seen it. The old saying goes, when you take the balls off the mind goes from ass to grass.
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In 20 years I have seen at least 6 different geldings full on mount and penetrate mares. They were all gelded a little later in life and had probably bred mares as stallions. It does happen. I had a gelding that was a breeding stallion for a few years. Him and my mare screwed each others brains out for years.
 
I have read and reread the comments on this subject, now I know my question is going to be way off the subject discussed, but I need to ask anyway, Can a gelding actually be encouraged to get an erection, and would his temperament be more gentler than a intact stallion .asking for a friend lol.
 
UR20Z said:
Assuming he doesn't get kicked/bitten/etc 'cause he kept on trying with a mare who told him "buzz off, asshole!", is it physically or psychologically damaging to a stallion when he mates a mare?

Is it physically or psychologically damaging for *YOU* to have sex with a woman? (assuming she's not hostile to the idea and trying to rip your junk off after you've failed to take her "no" as an answer, with the added assumptions that (1) you're male and (2) you're inclined to and capable of functioning with a human female)

Is it physically or psychologically harmful to a male black widow spider to... <turns and looks off stage> Excuse me? What's that you're saying? What do you mean, bad idea? Oh... you're trying to remind me that male black widow spiders tend to get eaten as part of the mating process? Guess you're right - bad example! <rewind, rewind, rewind, erase, erase, erase> <turns back to the audience> Forget that last one!

Think about it, dude - The only difference between a stallion and a gelding is the stallion still has his balls, which in turn means that he's pretty much guaranteed to have a much higher sex drive than a gelding, who, since somebody has lopped his balls off, USUALLY has little or no sex drive at all. With that in mind, what odd way of thinking makes it possible for you to imagine that he'd be "damaged" if a mare sweet-talks him into heading out behind the barn for a quick game of hide-the-salami?
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I agree with all that, but surely even a gelding would have to be playing with at least a strasbourg not a mere salarmi. :gsd_wink:
 
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