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Evidence animals can or can not consent

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Animals And Consent

If anyone has any of their go-to arguments for the consent of animals I'd love to hear some. I've been working on zoo activism for a bit and have started getting getting some support from people. I'm just looking for stronger arguments. Answers related to female animals are strongly needed, as...
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Informed consent and power dynamic as it relates to bestiality

I posted this on zoocomunity, but i thought I'd post it here too and hopefully more responses: Informed consent and power dynamic as it relates to bestiality with reference to a moral framework. I want to add view/opinion on informed consent and also play devils advocate in regards to...
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How a female dog expresses consent with body language

Flagging (normally they do this behavior in standing heat) is how a female dog expresses that she is willing and ready to mate with a male, lifting of the vulva and tucking the tail off to one side are clear signs of consent, it is part of the k9 body language, they are absolutely capable of...
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A small essay on consent.

So I'm seeing 80% of antis claim that consent is the main factor that makes any sexual contact with an animal wrong. So I figured I'd write a detailed essay explaining it to help any of you who get stuck on this issue with someone in discussion. Warning: Basically an essay. Very long. TLDR...
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The Official Zoophilia Debate Sheet - Updates

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nekdoneco123 said:
asking strangers to feed you info is not "doing your own research". which you should...
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It would be research if the question was not deeply explored several times already. The fun part of this is that usually all you need is to select a few or one keywords and use the search button and limit to titles only. Surprisingly few people do that.
 
pes said:
It would be research if the question was not deeply explored several times already. The fun part of this is that usually all you need is to select a few or one keywords and use the search button and limit to titles only. Surprisingly few people do that.
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But why should they put in the effort to instantly get the answer to their question when they can instead wait for others to feed it to them hours or even days later when they may have already forgotten they asked?
 
dartel said:
But why should they put in the effort to instantly get the answer to their question when they can instead wait for others to feed it to them hours or even days later when they may have already forgotten they asked?
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In some of my experience individual people might have better answers than a search engine can provide although that's not the norm.
 
Pillar said:
In some of my experience individual people might have better answers than a search engine can provide although that's not the norm.
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What does the search engine search for??????? The individual answers of the same individual people who get fucking tired of answering the same question over and over and over and over and over . . . .
 
caikgoch said:
What does the search engine search for??????? The individual answers of the same individual people who get fucking tired of answering the same question over and over and over and over and over . . . .
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Yep. OP is another post providing proof (as if any is actually needed...) that "Common sense ain't all that common".
 
I think you are taking it a bit too far with the punishment for a simple question that has already been asked. :D

On top of that animals must be able to consent and it is obviously apparent from almost any animal to animal interaction.
Females will refuse males until they accept them for mating. This is showing both consent and refusal. Animals ask each other to play and sometimes they accept and sometimes they refuse. Animals share food but not always from the beginning so they accept the request for sharing when they have had their meal and so on.

On top of that, requiring proof of consent for zoophilia and not requiring the same consent when you want to kill the animal or use it for work,... is quite hypocritical isn't it?
That does not mean that I do not consider consent extremely important for my animal partner. I am just trying to show how this question is designed to be against zoophilia purposefully while at the same time conveniently forgetting everything else.
 
pes said:
I think you are taking it a bit too far with the punishment for a simple question that has already been asked.
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I'm not mad at the OP as long as they learn from the answers. Pillar, on the other hand, needed a good bitchslap. The function of a forum is to accumulate specialized knowledge and serve it up on demand via the internal search engine. Children who do not possess good search engine skills are destined to be forever second best in life. That is reality today and anyone who discourages developement of those skills is harming children.
 
caikgoch said:
I'm not mad at the OP as long as they learn from the answers. Pillar, on the other hand, needed a good bitchslap. The function of a forum is to accumulate specialized knowledge and serve it up on demand via the internal search engine. Children who do not possess good search engine skills are destined to be forever second best in life. That is reality today and anyone who discourages developement of those skills is harming children.
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If the OP is a child then he or she shouldn't be on the forum.
 
One thing that greatly complicates things is that they can't consent the way a human can because they aren't human. I'm not saying that means all bestiality is rape or anything like that. But they don't have the exact same emotions that humans do so it's not an easy question. In nature also there are several species where 'consent' really isn't a concept. Where violence and intimidation is a natural part of the mating process.
 
Marinus18 said:
One thing that greatly complicates things is that they can't consent the way a human can because they aren't human. I'm not saying that means all bestiality is rape or anything like that. But they don't have the exact same emotions that humans do so it's not an easy question. In nature also there are several species where 'consent' really isn't a concept. Where violence and intimidation is a natural part of the mating process.
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Then it's simple, don't do it with said species unless they can demonstrate consent.
 
Bloodwolf said:
This topic is getting older then the gum under my school desk.
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Maybe 'cause when the gum under your school desk was new, this topic was already collecting social security? :)

(And it had to stand in line two places ahead of dirt to pick up the application form...)
 
Marinus18 said:
One thing that greatly complicates things is that they can't consent the way a human can because they aren't human.
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Here's one for you: multiple Canuck Supreme Court rulings have a growing list of things "...women cannot consent to, even if they wanted to...." basically demoting an adult human to the level of a minor child.
Species difference on consent is now moot!
 
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