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Do animals understand the concept of homosexuality?

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This is a question that’s always been on my mind and I’ve always wondered about it, and it is whether animals understand homosexuality or not. And if they do, do they care/does it matter to them?

This is mainly referring to male animals, engaging in sexual activities (mainly intercourse) with male humans. Whether the male animal is on the giving or receiving end, do they understand that they’re doing it with a male human? Or do they not understand or care about it? And does it also depend on the animal and their intelligence, like do dogs differ from horses or pigs/boars?

I don’t know much about this except for that animals have sex to breed and inseminate the female, so I don’t know if they know if they’re doing it to a male or not. I don’t even know if animals have gay sex between their own species. Would like to learn more about this

So long story short, are animals aware when they’re gay?
 
Courier said:
This is a question that’s always been on my mind and I’ve always wondered about it, and it is whether animals understand homosexuality or not. And if they do, do they care/does it matter to them?
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Back around the turn of the century there was a book, "Biological Exhuberance" which examined the question of homosexuality in the animal world. In short, it's not just a human thing, same-sex relationships, both short term and long term, have been recorded in the wild for a vide variety of species ranging through a wide variety of animals from birds, mammals, reptiles, etc.


Courier said:
This is mainly referring to male animals, engaging in sexual activities (mainly intercourse) with male humans. Whether the male animal is on the giving or receiving end, do they understand that they’re doing it with a male human? Or do they not understand or care about it? And does it also depend on the animal and their intelligence, like do dogs differ from horses or pigs/boars?
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It depends on the non-human animal, but most we'd be familiar with recognize the distinction between humans and their own species, but I'm not sure they particularly care. A friendly face and a pleasant experience is probabaly as far as they are concerned.


Courier said:
I don’t know much a bout this except for that animals have sex to breed and inseminate the female, so I don’t know if they know if they’re doing it to a male or not. I don’t even know if animals have gay sex between their own species. Would like to learn more about this
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I think this is way oversimplifying things. I don't think non-humans have sex with the intent to procreate, most humans I know don't either. They have desires that are driven by hormones and brain wiiring, they seek out experiences which are pleasurable, just like human animals.


Courier said:
So long story short, are animals aware when they’re gay?
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Just like with humans, I think the answer is some combination of genetics, development environment, and the experiences they have as they mature which all shape the final result to one degree or another.
 
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egoldstein said:
Back around the turn of the century there was a book, "Biological Exhuberance" which examined the question of homosexuality in the animal world. In short, it's not just a human thing, same-sex relationships, both short term and long term, have been recorded in the wild for a vide variety of species ranging through a wide variety of animals from birds, mammals, reptiles, etc.



It depends on the non-human animal, but most we'd be familiar with recognize the distinction between humans and their own species, but I'm not sure they particularly care. A friendly face and a pleasant experience is probabaly as far as they are concerned.



I think this is way oversimplifying things. I don't think non-humans have sex with the intent to procreate, most humans I know don't either. They have desires that are driven by hormones and brain wiiring, they seek out experiences which are pleasurable, just like human animals.



Just like with humans, I think the answer is some combination of genetics, development environment, and the experiences they have as they mature which all shape the final result to one degree or another.
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very helpful and insightful info, thank you so much for the response!!
 
Animals don't understand the concept of "homosexuality". They just do what they want, it's just instinct.
 
Courier said:
This is a question that’s always been on my mind and I’ve always wondered about it, and it is whether animals understand homosexuality or not. And if they do, do they care/does it matter to them?

This is mainly referring to male animals, engaging in sexual activities (mainly intercourse) with male humans. Whether the male animal is on the giving or receiving end, do they understand that they’re doing it with a male human? Or do they not understand or care about it? And does it also depend on the animal and their intelligence, like do dogs differ from horses or pigs/boars?

I don’t know much about this except for that animals have sex to breed and inseminate the female, so I don’t know if they know if they’re doing it to a male or not. I don’t even know if animals have gay sex between their own species. Would like to learn more about this

So long story short, are animals aware when they’re gay?
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In nature there are a few animals that will engage in homosexuality.
An example would be how sometimes female foxes will choose eachother as partners in the absence of a male.
 
I think sexuality is mostly a human construct, shaped by society and religion.

In nature, sex is both important, and unimportant. It's important in regards of survival of the species, but it also unimportant in regards of that it's not put on a pedestal, is not discussed, or a taboo. It's just a activity, like breathing, eating, and sleeping.
Onl we humans make it something special, because church and society taught us for centuries, that it is a taboo, that people have sexualities or that it is something special/dangerous/romantic/whatever.

I don't think animals think mutch about it.
 
Schuppentier said:
I think sexuality is mostly a human construct, shaped by society and religion.

In nature, sex is both important, and unimportant. It's important in regards of survival of the species, but it also unimportant in regards of that it's not put on a pedestal, is not discussed, or a taboo. It's just a activity, like breathing, eating, and sleeping.
Onl we humans make it something special, because church and society taught us for centuries, that it is a taboo, that people have sexualities or that it is something special/dangerous/romantic/whatever.

I don't think animals think mutch about it.
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Very true
 
They don't understand it in the sense that humans do but what they do understand is basic hormones.
Every creature does. It's our body's subconscious way of passing on information. It's why people find it repulsive to have sex with family members. It's because it's ingrained in our very brains. You and your family smell alike, in a hormonal sense. Just like the person you talk to at work's family smells like them. So just by that alone, they are repulsed by incest. It's our brains way of telling us "Yo, that person is really closely related to you. It would be a really bad idea to have kids with them".

Sex in it's basest form is simply as a means to have children. To continue the species. Men have certain hormonal scents as do females. Most creatures will avoid the same sex because... well, you can't have offspring with the same sex unless you're one of those asexual creatures.
So in a sense, animals don't know about 'homosexuality', but what they do know is that mating with the same gender is no good.

That isn't to say they won't. Sex feels good and sometimes wires upstairs get crossed. It's just the order of things.
 
I don't think so... I have a male pup and he has been licking me since I got him. He just came right up to me and started licking my sack.
 
keida said:
It's why people find it repulsive to have sex with family members. It's because it's ingrained in our very brains. You and your family smell alike, in a hormonal sense. Just like the person you talk to at work's family smells like them. So just by that alone, they are repulsed by incest. It's our brains way of telling us "Yo, that person is really closely related to you. It would be a really bad idea to have kids with them".
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No, incest is a completely cultural concept.
There’s nothing hardwired there.

If that were the case, you wouldn’t see dogs or horses mount their mothers…
 
i doubt they care or think about whatever the sex they're currently having is gay or not at all.... sexuality is a man-made concept.
 
Bloit said:
No, incest is a completely cultural concept.
There’s nothing hardwired there.

If that were the case, you wouldn’t see dogs or horses mount their mothers…
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People that get paid a lot more than you or I have already written papers on this.
 
Bloit said:
No, incest is a completely cultural concept.
There’s nothing hardwired there.

If that were the case, you wouldn’t see dogs or horses mount their mothers…
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I don't think so, because there's something called GSA (Genetic Sexual Attraction), the theory basically says that were usually attracted to people that look like us and to the people in our family.

I've read stories of women who gave their sons to adoption and somehow in the future they managed to meet each other, they ended up having a relationship and they're now basically husband and wife.

Since they did not live together for long enough to have a mother and son relationship, they developed sexual feelings when they finally met when they were both adults.
 
Cade20 said:
I don't think so, because there's something called GSA (Genetic Sexual Attraction), the theory basically says that were usually attracted to people that look like us and to the people in our family.

I've read stories of women who gave their sons to adoption and somehow in the future they managed to meet each other, they ended up having a relationship and they're now basically husband and wife.

Since they did not live together for long enough to have a mother and son relationship, they developed sexual feelings when they finally met when they were both adults.
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Mate, did you even read what I said? The -concept- of incest, and by extension it being "bad", is a cultural thing.

The physical -act- happens all the time in the animal world.
 
Bloit said:
Mate, did you even read what I said? The -concept- of incest, and by extension it being "bad", is a cultural thing.

The physical -act- happens all the time in the animal world.
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I'm sorry. I must have quoted you by mistake
 
Some time ago, I heard about a study about the physiological evidence of the gay adults.
(This is recollection, and I'm too lazy to go searching for it.)
The statement was basically that there was statistical data showing a correlation between the success of the produce of a mother who had a gay sibling, essentially a gay uncle factor, when compared to those without.

egoldstein said:
Back around the turn of the century there was a book, "Biological Exhuberance" which examined the question of homosexuality in the animal world. In short, it's not just a human thing, same-sex relationships, both short term and long term, have been recorded in the wild for a vide variety of species ranging through a wide variety of animals from birds, mammals, reptiles, etc.
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A very good read. There is quite a bit in this book pointing out the old general practices of observations being interpreted without reason with statements of such as "confused sexual behavior", "dominance behavior" and other anthropomorphic statements by the observer.

I've also read observational studies of wild stallions in the "bachelor herds" that would stand to be bred by other stallions, and would choose to stay in those herds, rather than separating to form their own herd of mares.

Genetics provides a form of checks & balances in evolution terms concerning incest breeding. Negative recessive traits which could make it harder to survive are more likely to appear in the offspring when it occurs.
 
Darkmoor said:
Some time ago, I heard about a study about the physiological evidence of the gay adults.
(This is recollection, and I'm too lazy to go searching for it.)
The statement was basically that there was statistical data showing a correlation between the success of the produce of a mother who had a gay sibling, essentially a gay uncle factor, when compared to those without.
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For anyone interested, this is pretty well covered in "The Selfish Gene", which I found to be a pretty good read. Its a bit dated, having been published in 1976, but there's still an amazng wealth of information in it.
In short, you share your genes with close relatves so some of your genes get passed on even if you die without reproducing. So if you can provide support for your relatives and allow them to reproduce and succeed then your shared genes are promoted in the gene pool. The example he gives is one of an altruistic individual sacrificing themselves, but from a genetic perspective it makes no difference between death or non-reproduction of the individual.

Also, good to see you DM, always nice to see an old friend. Would have sent a PM, but you need one more post. :)
 
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egoldstein said:
For anyone interested, this is pretty well covered in "The Selfish Gene", which I found to be a pretty good read. Its a bit dated, having been published in 1976, but there's still an amazng wealth of information in it.
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That sounds familiar.
egoldstein said:
Also, good to see you DM, always nice to see an old friend. Would have sent a PM, but you need one more post. :)
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I'll get there eventually. Considering I don't have a porn library to upload, it'll probably take me a bit. :ROFLMAO:
 
I can't speak to academic sources, only what I have witnessed when working on a farm for over 15 years.

We had horses- geldings, mares and a few stallions that were kept separate from the others. Young stallions in the wild tend to form bachelor gangs consisting of males between the age of 3-5 years where they learn the skills needed to have a herd of their own. In this time, the young males tend to play fight, groom each other, protect from predators, and sometimes do mate.

They are still horny creatures and one of the few species aside from humans that are capable of masturbating. When stallions are erect, their shafts are long enough they can rut the head of their cocks against their belly. And if the sight of a three foot long cock rutting against himself wasn't erotic enough? young stallions find interest in their fellows mating, and like every other activity, they practice on each other.

Young stallions will often mount one another, and the first time that it happens for the stallions, they are often a little confused when the top stallion is met with an equally as hard and thick cock as his own. Sometimes, it ends there for the top stallion. Other times, the stallion will return to his aroused male partner and begin grooming the sack, and then mount again. Small bachelor herds of stallions can engage in small orgies, since they will be expected to one day breed numerous mares within their own herd.

I think horses are horny and willing to engage in any willing partner- even if he has a cock as large as his own.
 
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