Can we please just ban all zoo Telegram groups? They're all fucking RAPE! 🤬

[Wolfspirit]

I'm so beyond fed up with these shitbags spreading around zoo telegram group links that are rape/zoosadism friendly (or solely dedicated to that). MOST of them are that way. And when I report the people spreading those links, nothing happens. This site is only helping to advertise these groups. This shit is maddening. Too many evil and apathetic motherfuckers in the "zoo community".

 

[pes]

Your last report is being discussed.

I'm so beyond fed up with these shitbags spreading around zoo telegram group links that are rape/zoosadism friendly (or solely dedicated to that).

We do not allow the stuff here so it logically makes people move it somewhere where they can not be prosecuted by us.

And when I report the people spreading those links, nothing happens.

It is debatable whether we can do anything since it is often not easy to prove that a person who posted something in a telegram group is the same account that is registered here.

This site is only helping to advertise these groups.

You can not stop people from sharing those in PMs anyway which is what mostly happens.
Publicly sharing tg names or invites is not allowed and those are deleted. Except in zooville groups.

If you have telegram I probably do not have to tell you that you can utilize telegram to close down those groups using their own tools for it.

Chat app zoo group security/longevity

I am wondering what experience do people have with zoo groups being deleted by the producers of different chat apps. For example there are reports of discord deleting/banning zoo room and so on. If you have a good indication a zoo group/room was deleted by the company that owns the chat program...

www.zoovilleforum.net

 

[Wolfspirit]

I'm talking about people spreading those types of groups openly in threads AND via dm.

When I click the dm report button to report someone sending me a zoosadism telegram link, why doesn't anything happen to that person? You ban for posting abuse content right? Why not ban for posting links to groups with abuse content? It's not that hard to verify. One can easily check or request screenshots.

 

[Oldman]

I'm talking about people spreading those types of groups openly in threads AND via dm.

When I click the dm report button to report someone sending me a zoosadism telegram link, why doesn't anything happen to that person? You ban for posting abuse content right? Why not ban for posting links to groups with abuse content? It's not that hard to verify. One can easily check or request screenshots.

Read this again:

Your last report is being discussed.

We do not allow the stuff here so it logically makes people move it somewhere where they can not be prosecuted by us.

It is debatable whether we can do anything since it is often not easy to prove that a person who posted something in a telegram group is the same account that is registered here.

You can not stop people from sharing those in PMs anyway which is what mostly happens.
Publicly sharing tg names or invites is not allowed and those are deleted. Except in zooville groups.

If you have telegram I probably do not have to tell you that you can utilize telegram to close down those groups using their own tools for it.

Chat app zoo group security/longevity

I am wondering what experience do people have with zoo groups being deleted by the producers of different chat apps. For example there are reports of discord deleting/banning zoo room and so on. If you have a good indication a zoo group/room was deleted by the company that owns the chat program...

www.zoovilleforum.net

 

[ZTHorse]

I'm talking about people spreading those types of groups openly in threads AND via dm.

When I click the dm report button to report someone sending me a zoosadism telegram link, why doesn't anything happen to that person? You ban for posting abuse content right? Why not ban for posting links to groups with abuse content? It's not that hard to verify. One can easily check or request screenshots.

First off, we do remove alot of TG links reported via PMs. That is not the question or issue. Please define "openly in threads" because TG links are not allowed in the public forum.

You wish for us to become a DHS type of snooping in peoples private matters.

Your request would require automated snooping of PMs which is a violation of privacy. It also makes a point of attack if that info leaks the content of PMs by said bot.

Its fundimentally against the nature of ZVs principles to protect user privacy.

I will not trade user rights for a false sense of security. There is other ways to handle abuse that this extreme snooping measure.

Lastly, we can only control what content is posted HERE ON ZV. What users do off site is out of our control. If they post a sadist TG link, its is obviously removed but thats about it. We dont go and police on telegram.

 

[saddlebum66]

Funny....something still has an "if youre on telegram hmu" on its profile....Which makes one wonder what its intentions were when it came here.

 

[pes]

Why not ban for posting links to groups with abuse content?

A ban here is a little bit of a nuisance. As said, it is being discussed, someone with telegram might be checking the group. But the user you reported has 11 posts, most are just him spreading a tg group.
His previous group was deleted by telegram which he said in his posts.
So clearly reporting it to telegram does something. And I would argue it does more damage than a ban here especially on a useless account like that.

 

[saddlebum66]

A little editing of a profile works wonders

 

[Wolfspirit]

So from what I gather, you guys turn the other cheek when people spread zoosadist telegram porn group invites but ban for spreading zoosadist material. What's the difference? They're both promoting zoosadism and you're helping them expand. There was over 1000 members in their "Zooville" zoosadist group, and you're only being a means to help shit like that grow. This is disgusting.

 

[pes]

There was

So there is not anymore. Good job there.

The issue I see with banning people for sharing tg invites is that unless the group is entirely only animal abuse, you can not be sure that particular person is there just for the animal abuse.

Plus I do not have a tg account and can not have one to check or ask questions directly.
The best thing to do here is report the group to telegram and let them destroy it.

 

[pes]

I have a few suggestions you might find useful.
I do not support spreading of abuse, but banning someone based on partial evidence is not easy.

Imagine the situation from the mod side:
You get a report with a link saying that that person is in a group with animal abuse. I do not have telegram, so I can not check it.
This is what I would need to know to be able to comfortably ban someone:
1. There is an undeniable link between their username here and their username in the group. (basically you know that user is in the group verifiably)
2. This user has posted animal abuse in the group or praised it.

Unless you know this and the group is a mix of good and bad porn, the user might not be there to watch animal abuse.

 

[saddlebum66]

So why if we wish to bitch about telegram, do we ask for people to send us Telegram info on our profile? Or does "hmu"mean something new this week?

 

[ZTHorse]

So from what I gather, you guys turn the other cheek when people spread zoosadist telegram porn group invites but ban for spreading zoosadist material. What's the difference? They're both promoting zoosadism and you're helping them expand. There was over 1000 members in their "Zooville" zoosadist group, and you're only being a means to help shit like that grow. This is disgusting.

The difference is we cannot police TG, and if there is proof that such links are sadism. If you report sadist invite links, we will ban them.

whats the problem with this policy we already have?

 

[FloofyNewfie]

So from what I gather, you guys turn the other cheek when people spread zoosadist telegram porn group invites

We are ZooVille, Telegram is Telegram. We are responsible for what goes on here, not on there. The other thing is that we don't snoop on your PMs. Your PMs are private, so unless someone blows the whistle we have no way of knowing what's going on privately. We at least do have a moderator that can seemingly check on it if need be, and if sadism is found, they will be dealt with on here.

If someone posts any form of IM name or invite on the public forum they will be dealt with, as doing such is against our rules.

There was over 1000 members in their "Zooville" zoosadist group, and you're only being a means to help shit like that grow.

Just so we're clear, it wasn't our group. It was someone else's group which happened to use the name of our forum.

 

[Oldman]

God dammit. I wish telegram would relax their fucking phone shit. I used to have a burner account just for this shit. The last burner number I used is the one I'm using now. Been trying to get accounts activited but no free numbers work. They now have to be paid numbers.... Fuck that.

 

[JazzyPaws]

We should be making sleeper agents who can stomach going into said groups and shutting them down from the inside, I know it'll be unpopular but doxxing a zoosadist would ruin alot of them and they fucking deserve it

IMO that would just be karma kicking their ass for their shit

 

[JazzyPaws]

I see what you're saying but they deserve way more than that... I can't say what I think they deserve cause if I ever snap then I'm sure what I say could be used as evidence in court but they definitely deserve worse than that

What they deserve depends.

If they are actively taking part in said abuse..... "Hello, Mr. Wick?"

If they are simply watching it, while in NO WAY am I trying to justify it AT ALL, then we can spare the guillotine, and maybe just take their eyes. If that makes sense.

Either way depriving them of their outlet is a great place to start.

 

[JazzyPaws]

I mean... I've always thought death is not a proper penalty, once you're dead you're dead and certain mental illnesses make certain people incapable of understanding the gravity of death so I feel the best approach is a hole in the spine, rupture the eardrums, shatter the elbows and fingers, and remove the eyes.... Maybe overdose them on a psychodelic or mix some rubbing alcohol with bleach and give them a little wiff to impair the brain a little, then carve the words pedo or rapist into their head so only morons will show them sympathy

"Go slow Mr Wick"

 

[JazzyPaws]

I'm not gonna lie... Idk who Mr. Wick is.... Are you referring to John wick?

Indeed!

 

[K_9River_rat]

This is such a fucked up subject.

The mods have got to be walking a tightrope on this.

For myself, I want nothing to do with the sadistic fucks, and I see the point where there is a difference between watching and doing.

I think it would be wrong to condemn a person for what they think when their actions are appropriate.

I'm sure many have had thoughts that they did not act on, and that's really the measure of a person in my opinion.

But I certainly feel that those sadist types that use the zoo community as a place to hide need to be removed.

The problem comes in how far do you take it.

On one hand, I do think justice needs to be dispensed on these folks when possible. Banning them from here doesn't do anything to help those that are actually being abused, but I also understand the mods points of view as well.

It just saddens me that the abuse persists....

 

[cbrnth]

So from what I gather, you guys turn the other cheek when people spread zoosadist telegram porn group invites but ban for spreading zoosadist material. What's the difference? They're both promoting zoosadism and you're helping them expand. There was over 1000 members in their "Zooville" zoosadist group, and you're only being a means to help shit like that grow. This is disgusting.

That sounds a bit harsh. The moderators have a tough job, and on the whole do a brilliant job. They have made the rules of this site clear and try to enforce those in a fair and balanced way. If this issue is upsetting you so much perhaps this site isn't for you? By the end of the day, we can't stop issue entirely, as people who are intent on spreading horrible material will find work arounds.

 

[pes]

I mean have you seen the mods attempt at controlling this community?? They'll literally do nothing until it's a shit show and then throw it in the dumpster fire and you think they're gonna start by stopping people using this site to find fucked up stuff in other places?? Nah, unless it happens where they're liable then they don't give a flying fuck

That is an interesting take on what mods do.
Fairly incompatible with

The abusive porn cleanup project

In the past few weeks I have reported an alarming number of abusive porn videos from the porn section. 90% of them were subsequently removed after a moderator reviewed them and agreed that the content violated animal abuse the rules of this forum. Over my existence on Zooville I have personally...

www.zoovilleforum.net

I have a few suggestions you might find useful.
I do not support spreading of abuse, but banning someone based on partial evidence is not easy.

Imagine the situation from the mod side:
You get a report with a link saying that that person is in a group with animal abuse. I do not have telegram, so I can not check it.
This is what I would need to know to be able to comfortably ban someone:
1. There is an undeniable link between their username here and their username in the group. (basically you know that user is in the group verifiably)
2. This user has posted animal abuse in the group or praised it.

Unless you know this and the group is a mix of good and bad porn, the user might not be there to watch animal abuse.

 

[pes]

the fact theres a group for zoosadists to swap telegrams is outright fucked up

What do you suggest the solution is though?
PMs are private, period, this is not changing and it would not be right to change that.
So how do you suppose we would be able to find them, unless someone gets the message and reports it?
And even if we ban them here, the telegram groups continue living, it is unsolvable.
In my opinion taking down the tg groups through telegram does more damage than taking down a dead profile here only used to pm which can be easily recreated when banned.

I will buy you a bunch of Sim cards so you guys can sign up to telegram if that's what it takes.

Telegram is incompatible with my security setup. And even if it was compatible, I do not want to have an account on telegram focused on joining sadist groups.

 

[K_9River_rat]

What do you suggest the solution is though?
PMs are private, period, this is not changing and it would not be right to change that.
So how do you suppose we would be able to find them, unless someone gets the message and reports it?
And even if we ban them here, the telegram groups continue living, it is unsolvable.
In my opinion taking down the tg groups through telegram does more damage than taking down a dead profile here only used to pm which can be easily recreated when banned.

Telegram is incompatible with my security setup. And even if it was compatible, I do not want to have an account on telegram focused on joining sadist groups.

Again a tough question.

I feel like as a zoo, I owe it to the victims of this abuse and to the community to try to do more to stop the abuse, and not just stop the abuse, but to expose the ones doing it to the justice system.

The problem I see is that it cannot be done from here without exposure to the community and putting innocent people in harm's way.

One idea that comes to mind is to create another forum, but completely underground and separate as a place to organize and communicate.

But one would have to keep in mind that anyone on it would absolutely have to have different screen names than anyone here, there could be no talk either in here about the other site other than PMs, and no talk of this site over there in the event of someone looking to get revenge made it in. It would have to be by invite only, and there'd have to be a group that decides who to invite and invitations can be issued by them only.

It would be a ton of work, not that I'm complaining, because I believe anything that can be done to put an end to that is worth it as long as it doesn't put others in danger.

Ie, the folks doing it would have to be beyond reproach should LEO come knocking on their doors.

Even if those undertaking this were exposed, they need to be exposed as animal rights activists and not zoos.

Just a thought and likely not that well thought out. was just the first thing that came to mind.

And while I am kinda ignoring someone, I stand with them on this...

 

[K_9River_rat]

Some mods have a tg account and the report that was originally behind this was looked into by one mod, and the group was already gone.

We are mods on zooville. This is already taking up a significant amount of my time and I can not afford to police a completely different platform. I do not have the time or means to do that.
But if you can and want to do that, do that. But mods on zooville stay on zooville.

If you find connections, then use this:

One issue with this is that you can not post tg usernames publicly, so the public abusive cleanup approach is no applicable. You also can not add attachments to reports.
So use PMs, and send the evidence to a group of mods.


I personally do not want to own an account that is focused on zoosadism even if it is just a bait.


There is an automated filter using several factors to determine duplicate accounts.
You are going to have to discuss this with admins, mods can not configure that.


10 posts is laughably easy to get. You can literally do that in 5 minutes.


I do not have the means or desire to operate an illegal forum focused on animal abuse. I am not doing that, ever.
It is immensely complicated to safely operate a sever and incompatible with my security measures.

Oh, I was by no means suggesting that you do it. You have your hands full here!

I was just spit balling ideas, but in no way suggesting who would actually be involved in such a thing.

It would be an interesting question to ask a lawyer. I would think it would be difficult for law enforcement to come after one for being on those sites if they were collecting information to possibly pass along to law enforcement...

 

[vladfan]

I'm so beyond fed up with these shitbags spreading around zoo telegram group links that are rape/zoosadism friendly (or solely dedicated to that). MOST of them are that way. And when I report the people spreading those links, nothing happens. This site is only helping to advertise these groups. This shit is maddening. Too many evil and apathetic motherfuckers in the "zoo community".

well said...agreed

 

[Schuppentier]

So from what I gather, you guys turn the other cheek when people spread zoosadist telegram porn group invites but ban for spreading zoosadist material. What's the difference? They're both promoting zoosadism and you're helping them expand. There was over 1000 members in their "Zooville" zoosadist group, and you're only being a means to help shit like that grow. This is disgusting.

OK Karen.

Sorry but the only thing I see you do on Zooville is constantly complaining, screaming for mods to ban this and that, and your overwhelming urge to control the life and behavior of others.

Zoosadism is a horrible thing. Beasty kinksters that don't care about animals are disgusting. But there is only so mutch you can do.
This whole thing is like drugs. It doesn't matter how mutch you fight it, there are always weak people that consume it, and scummy shit bags that produce and distribute it. It's impossible to catch them all. Look at prisons: No matter how secure they are, drugs find their way in, and people still consume them.

So the most thing Zooville can do, is beeing as strict and brutal with people that are involved with people connected with Zoosadism. I mean, they Bann zoosadists, and even warn or ban people that react positive to abusive content. They even manually review every fucking thread, and as soon as anything pops up openly, it gets removed.
That is way more dedicated than any other large forum I have ever been on. And also keep in mind that the mods are humans, that do all that in their free time.

So stop acting like a Karen, and be glad that we have the mods we have. If you see somithing infuriating, instead of making a new thread with an overly descriptive headline, where you blame everyone else, and ask to speak to the manag..... the mods, just take a deep breath, hit the report button, than clise Zooville, go out, and touch some grass.

 

[ascendtoaccept]

I smell something that begins with F... funny?

Complain about a situation but never offer a solution, when the obvious solution is to have mod team break the privacy of PMs + link ZooVille with these abuse groups

Nice try supposed one of us