anti-contact zoos? a sudden influx of them.

[Reconscope]

TOPIC CONCERN: Something of great importance caught my eye. RECENTLY theres this group of anti contacts who claim to be zoos but they are against sex. the attraction they consider is exploitive and attractions are something to be shamed of instead of embraced. therefore it should be considered a individual wanting to 'recover' like a mental illness.

SUPPORT: there are zoo people who are hostile to 'zoo pride' (the very concept of it) who are zoos themselves thinking it should be hidden instead of openly spoken.. then there are others who see it as a fetish/paraphilia/kink instead of a legit orientation.

CONFLICT PRESENTATION: the non contact group wants to integrate as "one of them" so we will accept the animals in topic aren't suitable partners. therefore it will be treated as needing treatment to be "normal" as well as learning to cope with that fact despite a strong attraction it shouldn't be acted upon due to power dynamics/exploitation

(side note non contact was borrowed from THAT community to further annex/influence zoos into their culture.)

OPINIONS/CONCERNS/QUESTIONS HERE: are they antis with a different name? Should anyone be worried of a random but large group being a dominant zoo voice that would dismantle our word? while further reducing animal autonomy which in consequence have zoophilia be treated as a thing to cope with while being a productive member of society.

(this was suggested by someone with a conversation with me. i just put it in my own words to be as proper as possible. i hope this is engaging and not too intense of a discussion.)

if there's any confusion ill be happy to further elaborate what those things are.

 

[pes]

TOPIC CONCERN: Something of great importance caught my eye. RECENTLY theres this group of anti contacts who claim to be zoos but they are against sex. the attraction they consider is exploitive and attractions are something to be shamed of instead of embraced. therefore it should be considered a individual wanting to 'recover' like a mental illness.

Influx where? I have not seen a single one here yet.

This movement is similar to non contact pedos if I remember correctly.
It is wrong, there is no possible comparison between zoos and pedos. Our partners are adult and physically and mentally capable of asking for sex on their own. Children are not capable of either of that.

Should anyone be worried of a random but large group being a dominant zoo voice that would dismantle our word?

No. This is as far as seems apparent happening outside of this forum and completely outside of exclusive zoos.
Zoophilia is already either illegal or lumped together with something else in case you need to be prosecuted.
I do not believe this movement can either improve or significantly worsen the situation.

 

[Reconscope]

Influx where? I have not seen a single one here yet.

This movement is similar to non contact pedos if I remember correctly.
It is wrong, there is no possible comparison between zoos and pedos. Our partners are adult and physically and mentally capable of asking for sex on their own. Children are not capable of either of that.


No. This is as far as seems apparent happening outside of this forum and completely outside of exclusive zoos.
Zoophilia is already either illegal or lumped together with something else in case you need to be prosecuted.
I do not believe this movement can either improve or significantly worsen the situation.

(yes im chatting with the individual... currently whos giving me this to share on the thread so don't take it as a 'me' thing here. im rewording it into my own words so it sounds proper.)

ALEF movement or something thats the influx hes speaking of?

Alef Principles - Paraphile Wiki

www.paraphile.com

Alef zoophile identity

this should explain more... but again this is a discussion not anything heated as im curious on your thoughts what this means.

 

[pes]

First of all their flag includes zoosadists and zoo necros. That alone means that the author has literally no idea what it means to be a zoophile.
On it's own that little bit of information completely destroyed that movement for me.

As an identity, an alef zoo is a zoo who:​

"opposes zoos who are harmful towards animals or the community without attacking their identities"

Their flag includes explicit animal abusers.

im curious on your thoughts what this means.

This was created by a nonzoo who has no idea what being a zoophile is.

 

[Reconscope]

First of all their flag includes zoosadists and zoo necros. That alone means that the author has literally no idea what it means to be a zoophile.
On it's own that little bit of information completely destroyed that movement for me.

As an identity, an alef zoo is a zoo who:​

"opposes zoos who are harmful towards animals or the community without attacking their identities"

Their flag includes explicit animal abusers.


This was created by a nonzoo who has no idea what being a zoophile is.

wasn't aware of flag representation... im no political person. damn they shot themselves on the foot with that. thank you for this.

 

[pes]

The explanation of the flag is under the second link.



By the way 46% is not more than a half.
So this author picked this flag on his own and because of the vote and is dishonest.
This vote would only be valid if there were more flags than two in the last voting. I do not know how they voted though.

 

[Reconscope]

The explanation of the flag is under the first link.

when/IF he responds back to me ill be sure to let him know... all this discussion (so far). but i appreciate the input

 

[Goattobeloved]

So they love something, and so decide to keep away from it... um.
Only three ways out:
- Stop lovong it. Be happy.
- Stop keeping away from it. Be happy
- Keep the same position, implode in a cosmic scale devastating all around them.

Latest option includes "Stop loving it, start hating, try to destroy everyone remotely into it"

I am not getting near ANY "non contact" " non interaction" group, be it animals or gummy bears

 

[pes]

If this person joins ZV you can be sure he will end in the DF and will receive a well deserved spanking for this bullshit.
There is absolutely no way a zoophile would ever support a movement which endorses literal animal abuse.

 

[Goattobeloved]

The explanation of the flag is under the second link.

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By the way 46% is not more than a half.
So this author picked this flag on his own and because of the vote and is dishonest.

What the fudge!!

Sadisms Masochism and necro are the way to acceptance??

Acojonating...

 

[pes]

I do not know what zoomyaps are but it is way too similar sounding to maps. And if this flag includes MAPs, then this author is even worse.

 

[Reconscope]

(my words now) honestly people with such groups should evaluate themselves before trying to throw a idea.

 

[pes]

One of their reasons is that the current zeta movement has some trans phobic people...
"What's wrong with the Zeta movement?" This movement excludes and attacks zoos with unusual and doubly stigmatized attractions. It also has a lot of popular members engaging in ableism, transphobia, and racism.

What exactly do you expect to happen when you have hundreds or thousands of people with different opinions?
The idea that their new movement will not have those people is laughable.

This inclusive movement is explicitly excluding people who have an opinion the movement does not like.
Inclusion would mean that everyone is welcome which they want to do with including even those who literally abuse animals.
But their definition is internally not inclusive.

They are doing the same thing they want to avoid doing.
Or are those groups also going to be welcome?

 

[OffgridK9lover]

The explanation of the flag is under the second link.

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By the way 46% is not more than a half.
So this author picked this flag on his own and because of the vote and is dishonest.
This vote would only be valid if there were more flags than two in the last voting. I do not know how they voted though.

flags just paint them as an enemy force imo, any flag other than that of One's country. so sick of this retardation.

 

[nekdoneco123]

what influx? you are DMing with one person? ^^

also, no such thing as "zoo pride"

 

[Reconscope]

what influx? you are DMing with one person? ^^

also, no such thing as "zoo pride"

yes a very unorthodox individual im chatting with yes about the 'political environment' of zoo stuff. and yes im oblivious to such matters (such as flags and other human trivialities to a unjust cause). but its important to note of false idols to pose THEY DEEM as "for the better good"

zoo pride can be expressed in being true to oneself and their partner. it doesn't need to be at a flag but it should be shared as a common sense thing for any companion as a standard. nothing excessive and nothing underneath that treatment. a balance so to speak.

 

[pes]

What did it think about this thread?
And to be honestly honest, I do not expect the author of the web to consider or accept anything written here.
Just as much as they can not expect us to accept their nonsense.
It is just my morbid curiosity.

 

[Reconscope]

stupid question.... why do anti zoo types create stuff similar to nazi flags or similar "villainous" icons/ideas? its stuff so outlandish you wonder if they are 'real'.

 

[pes]

Did he react to this discussion in any wau?

 

[toothfull]

The explanation of the flag is under the second link.

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By the way 46% is not more than a half.
So this author picked this flag on his own and because of the vote and is dishonest.
This vote would only be valid if there were more flags than two in the last voting. I do not know how they voted though.

"Zoo necros" and "zoosadists" what the actual fuck?!

 

[Reconscope]

Did he react to this discussion in any way?

lol yes somewhat... does talk about other things randomly currently involving twitter and how other extremists are forming groups and displaying violent images like it SOMEHOW proves their point.

but in any case... any feedback is better than no feedback at all. (well hopefully)

nevertheless, i am glad you answered this wholeheartedly

 

[pes]

ike it SOMEHOW proves their point.

Well, he already includes sadists into his little group. So those people or even him himself maybe like it.

 

[Reconscope]

Well, he already includes sadists into his little group. So those people or even him himself maybe like it.

i didn't say his group... i basically said earlier he told me a group was "assimilating" all types of human extreme behavior and somehow lumping it into zoo types and treat it as a recovery thing.

but again you did say its invalidated by them shooting themselves on the foot with the blatant flags they tolerate. (if i summarized it correctly).

nevertheless... he did point out/rant how human behavior is twisted on sex vs violence. to where people will happily hunt or slaughter or cull a creature for the purpose of (hmmmm lets put it simply) as convenience but having sex with one is considered "dark web" taboo.

where culture as a whole embraces violence to such a degree where it is... warped.

i hope i worded it right on the whole thing.