A safer and easier way to meet zoos irl.

[Zethin]

So I've seen a lot of people on here bemoan the difficulties of meeting other zoo's.

For this crowd I think a good solution is to look towards how the general public treats outed zoo's

They make large lists of "bewares" in the furry fandom.

They talk shit and reveal our sexuality after a falling out.

They make obsessive threads about people on kiwifarms.

Why let all that hard work go to waste?
Reach out to fellow zoo's who have already been outed or who are suspected of being zoo's and try to form some friendships!
You dont have to reveal what you are at first or at all if you suddenly get cold feet.

I acknowledge that it can be a little creepy to be contacted in a way like this but I'm more so just bouncing this idea around because I've had success with it and it's a lot safer for those who feel they need zoo comrodery in real life.

Let me know what you think.

 

[FloofyNewfie]

There are four types of people that get outed. Those who were outed by circumstances beyond their control. Those who were outed by their own stupidity but have learned their lesson. Those who were outed by their own stupidity but haven't learned their lesson and continue to put themselves in danger. And lastly, those who voluntarily out themselves and don't care.

The first two types you can work with, the last two types you'd want to avoid. For the last two types, if they can't be bothered to place their own safety of the utmost importance, you can almost guarantee that if you got to a level of trust where any form of personal and identifiable information can be exchanged; I wouldn't trust them to safely handle my information either, if they can't be bothered to handle their own.

The problem with the first two types of people is that, once exposed they have a hard time trusting anyone and everyone. How do I know this? Because I fell into the second category once upon a time. When I was younger I was a lot more open and trusting with other zoos, but eventually my own stupidity caught up with me. I was one of the lucky ones that was able to get their named cleared, and all public mentions removed. But this destroyed a lot of trust in general when related to zooeness.

I'm still open to meetups and even dating, but it would take 2-3 years of communication before before I'd feel safe meeting someone face to face, not without being vouched for by a trusted zoo friend of mine.

 

[Pillar]

There's plenty of info on the forum for people to find out how to meet up safely. Five minutes in the search function should give all the threads that a person would need to keep themselves as safe as they possibly can.

 

[Zethin]

There's plenty of info on the forum for people to find out how to meet up safely. Five minutes in the search function should give all the threads that a person would need to keep themselves as safe as they possibly can.

What does this have to do with my post?

Nothing in this post invalidates or goes against anything in the safety guide you mentioned.

These are two different situations and contexts

The post you mentioned is written in the context of helping someone who is meeting someone who's identity and intentions are unknowable.

This post is in the context of helping the reader who *already* knows the person they are reaching out to is a confirmed zoo.
While also simultaneously the readers status as a zoo is unknown.

I'm not saying there is anything bad with reminding people about of the safety guide. It just the way you referenced it came across like it was brought up as a way to dismiss the points in the OP.

Please let me know if I misunderstood you.

 

[Zethin]

There are four types of people that get outed. Those who were outed by circumstances beyond their control. Those who were outed by their own stupidity but have learned their lesson. Those who were outed by their own stupidity but haven't learned their lesson and continue to put themselves in danger. And lastly, those who voluntarily out themselves and don't care.

The first two types you can work with, the last two types you'd want to avoid. For the last two types, if they can't be bothered to place their own safety of the utmost importance, you can almost guarantee that if you got to a level of trust where any form of personal and identifiable information can be exchanged; I wouldn't trust them to safely handle my information either, if they can't be bothered to handle their own.

The problem with the first two types of people is that, once exposed they have a hard time trusting anyone and everyone. How do I know this? Because I fell into the second category once upon a time. When I was younger I was a lot more open and trusting with other zoos, but eventually my own stupidity caught up with me. I was one of the lucky ones that was able to get their named cleared, and all public mentions removed. But this destroyed a lot of trust in general when related to zooeness.

I'm still open to meetups and even dating, but it would take 2-3 years of communication before before I'd feel safe meeting someone face to face, not without being vouched for by a trusted zoo friend of mine.

This is a good point to bring up.
I'd imagine in the first two cases you(the reader) recently find someone has been outed as a zoo. Due to circumstances beyond their control. If you can reach out to them have an excuse that is not at ALL related to zoo and if and only if a strong friendship is formed do you drop hints of zooeyness. (In a form that is not archived of course) and let the natrual progression of conversation lead them to figure out the rest.

That being said. It is very wise as said to avoid doing this with people who neither learned their lesson or care to hide their sexuality.

Even without evidence that type of persons word of mouth can be irksome if it finds it's way back to you.

 

[Labraguy5]

This post is in the context of helping the reader who *already* knows the person they are reaching out to is a confirmed zoo.

I would question why this person is still active online, I know my reaction to being outed would be to delete everything, deny everything and go silent for a long time. There's nothing stopping zoo hunters or law enforcement hijacking someone's identity to expose other zoos, or if the outed zoo had a large online presence like being a furry, they could start outing other zoos to try redeem themselves.

Also, being convicted of zoo in my country can land you on the Sex Offenders register. Police get the powers to invade the person's life, they can confiscate the person's devices without warning and legally demand login details with the threat of a harsher sentence for non-compliance. The zoo you were talking to could quickly turn into a police officer. Unless you can 100% confirm the person's situation, I would say the risk is far greater.

 

[Pup_Musky_ZV]

There are four types of people that get outed. Those who were outed by circumstances beyond their control. Those who were outed by their own stupidity but have learned their lesson. Those who were outed by their own stupidity but haven't learned their lesson and continue to put themselves in danger. And lastly, those who voluntarily out themselves and don't care.

The first two types you can work with, the last two types you'd want to avoid. For the last two types, if they can't be bothered to place their own safety of the utmost importance, you can almost guarantee that if you got to a level of trust where any form of personal and identifiable information can be exchanged; I wouldn't trust them to safely handle my information either, if they can't be bothered to handle their own.

The problem with the first two types of people is that, once exposed they have a hard time trusting anyone and everyone. How do I know this? Because I fell into the second category once upon a time. When I was younger I was a lot more open and trusting with other zoos, but eventually my own stupidity caught up with me. I was one of the lucky ones that was able to get their named cleared, and all public mentions removed. But this destroyed a lot of trust in general when related to zooeness.

I'm still open to meetups and even dating, but it would take 2-3 years of communication before before I'd feel safe meeting someone face to face, not without being vouched for by a trusted zoo friend of mine.

I would voluntarily out myself but would never out anyone else. Reason? I feel I have nothing to lose, I know the consequences and am willing to face them if that happens. I also understand that others may not be in the same position to face those consequences. so no, not everyone who is comfortable enough to be out as a zoo will out others. But it is rare to find someone with this mindset, I can agree.

 

[FloofyNewfie]

I would voluntarily out myself but would never out anyone else. Reason? I feel I have nothing to lose, I know the consequences and am willing to face them if that happens. I also understand that others may not be in the same position to face those consequences. so no, not everyone who is comfortable enough to be out as a zoo will out others. But it is rare to find someone with this mindset, I can agree.

Well my personal biggest concern would be keeping my two doggy girls safe. If my address got put on blast, what's to stop some "do gooder" from tossing a brick through my window, tossing in a steak laced with sleeping medication, and "rescuing" my obviously well taken care of dogs from their "abuse."

I also have a reputation, and a job to maintain. I'm a corporate drone, so if the information about my dog fucking activities ever became public again, there is a good chance that I'd be let go of my job. Most companies do a google search of their prospective applicants, so in that regard I'd be screwed as well. Not everyone works in the porn industry such as yourself. A job where other's view of you being "morally depraved" means very little when seeing you have sex is the only thing people care about. (Yes I've seen your channel, but no I didn't click any of the videos, since I'm not into that.)

Be me personally, I would have a hard time trusting anyone who voluntarily outs themselves. A big reason? Being guilty by association.

 

[Pup_Musky_ZV]

Well my personal biggest fear would be keeping my two doggy girls safe. If my address got put on blast, what's to stop some "do gooder" from tossing a brick through my window, tossing in a steak laced with sleeping medication, and "rescuing" my obviously well taken care of dogs from their "abuse."

I also have a reputation, and a job to maintain. I'm a corporate drone, so if the information about my dog fucking activities ever became public again, there is a good chance that I'd be let go of my job. Most companies do a google search of their prospective applicants, so in that regard I'd be screwed as well. Not everyone works in the porn industry such as yourself. A job where other's view of you being "morally depraved" means very little when seeing you have sex is the only thing people care about. (Yes I've seen your channel, but no I didn't click any of the videos, since I'm not into that.)

Be me personally, I would have a hard time trusting anyone who voluntarily outs themselves. A big reason? Being guilty by association.

I’m actually a cook, the porn industry is a side gig. ?

 

[Labraguy5]

I also have a reputation, and a job to maintain. I'm a corporate drone, so if the information about my dog fucking activities ever became public again, there is a good chance that I'd be let go of my job. Most companies do a google search of their prospective applicants, so in that regard I'd be screwed as well. Not everyone works in the porn industry such as yourself. A job where other's view of you being "morally depraved" means very little when seeing you have sex is the only thing people care about. (Yes I've seen your channel, but no I didn't click any of the videos, since I'm not into that.)

Be me personally, I would have a hard time trusting anyone who voluntarily outs themselves. A big reason? Being guilty by association.

Fellow corporate whore here, I don't think being the first zoo in the company would get me on the diversity group and likely more a boot out the door. Although if I told them the Z in LGBTQZ stands for Zoosexual, they would probably have to check first . But same it would be difficult to trust someone who is voluntarily outs themself, there's that and if they have nothing to loose, would they still take steps to keep your chats and more private details safe, probably it's less likely.

 

[Kristy]

There is a possibility the person who was outed, after getting in lots of trouble, has set about bringing other zoos down with him/her, and has chosen meeting other zoos as a way of doing it.

 

[saddlebum66]

Regardless of your own attitude toward outting, always remember....you have critters at risk. Whether they are yours, or belong to someone else, or are even on the other side of a fence you hopped....you're a caretaker. Assessing risks MUST include them, too. If you get caught in the act by LE, its more than likely a canine will be put down....livestock is a little less at risk, but there is still a risk.
Reaching out to an outted person is risky of itself.
If it is a friend, I'd take the chance, but for a person I dont know, maybe not. Getting tarred with the same brush, and risking my critter is not something I'd do lightly.

 

[SigmaTheZeta]

So I've seen a lot of people on here bemoan the difficulties of meeting other zoo's.

For this crowd I think a good solution is to look towards how the general public treats outed zoo's

They make large lists of "bewares" in the furry fandom.

They talk shit and reveal our sexuality after a falling out.

They make obsessive threads about people on kiwifarms.

Why let all that hard work go to waste?
Reach out to fellow zoo's who have already been outed or who are suspected of being zoo's and try to form some friendships!
You dont have to reveal what you are at first or at all if you suddenly get cold feet.

I acknowledge that it can be a little creepy to be contacted in a way like this but I'm more so just bouncing this idea around because I've had success with it and it's a lot safer for those who feel they need zoo comrodery in real life.

Let me know what you think.

The safest route...is to relax.

It's as easy as that.

Ya see...people that want you to rush or to feel a sense of urgency to do anything...either they have problems that it's not your job to fix...or they have a hidden agenda that it's not really your job to serve.

If you stay relaxed, though, then freaks just bounce off of you.

They bounce off of you because you are not about to give them instant gratification.

Never make any decisions at all when you are feeling stressed. Stress is like being drunk: it impairs your judgment. It's worse, really.

Stay relaxed.

To your idea, I would be willing to get to know such people on a purely Platonic level, yes. I would want to keep conversation entirely SFW, though.

I would honestly rather know zoos that have come out voluntarily. If they are taking that kind of step, then I tend to assume that they have no incriminating pornography of themselves online, and they tend to have nothing in their lives that could be used against them. I would expect such a person to be drug-free and as (morally) white as snow.

If they were not white as snow, then I would not want much to do with them.